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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#1241 » by King Malta » Thu Dec 3, 2020 3:33 am

Hm.

I feel like the best course of action with Edwards is to ease him in and limit his overall responsibilities. Time will tell whether the coaching/front office staff agree, but I feel like 20-25 minutes of play within a very defined role (play defense, cut effectively, spot up on the perimeter) will be the best way to introduce a guy who's been prone to tunnel vision due to often shouldering entire offenses.

If he then earns larger minutes and responsibilities from there quickly, then great.
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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#1242 » by Jedzz » Thu Dec 3, 2020 3:38 am

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KGdaBom wrote:
Norseman79 wrote:The number 1 pick in the draft better be playing 30+ minutes a night or there is going to be some major heat or bust talk. Number 1's don't sit, and they don't play 20 a game.

He's just barely 19 though. I expect him to come through, but wow.


It comes with the territory. Number 1 overall carries a lot of weight.


Please stop. This isn't the talent empty Wolves you are used to see starting any rookie. Don't beg or pressure for it.

Just hope and pray if the team chooses to its because he's actually ready for it and showing he's better than who we have already. And don't give me any bull about Culver showing that before the season to force their hand. Hope and pray they handle this one more accurately.
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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#1243 » by Jedzz » Thu Dec 3, 2020 3:44 am

King Malta wrote:Hm.

I feel like the best course of action with Edwards is to ease him in and limit his overall responsibilities. Time will tell whether the coaching/front office staff agree, but I feel like 20-25 minutes of play within a very defined role (play defense, cut effectively, spot up on the perimeter) will be the best way to introduce a guy who's been prone to tunnel vision due to often shouldering entire offenses.

If he then earns larger minutes and responsibilities from there quickly, then great.


Sounds great to me.

Personally I would love to see Rosas institude a rookie limit for any and all rooks that will stand the test of time during his control. Then everyone would know the limit exists, the risk would be limited, and the shortsighted people that see general minute load as a readiness or quality of play meter can just relax that issue in their head.
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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#1245 » by KGdaBom » Thu Dec 3, 2020 4:56 am

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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#1246 » by Nick K » Thu Dec 3, 2020 5:04 am

Jedzz wrote:Did read that Justin Patton had a broken pinky finger back in September and that was the reason he didn't have some kind of competition with Thon Maker for a spot as expected during a Pistons' local bubble event this September. Sheesh. Then traded to Clippers. Then the Clippers cut Patton free right after. As if they don't need a tall man with a perimeter shot and passing and defensive skills. Patton's path so far seems like he now would be an easy get and a skills improvement for a big depth guy here. (if you can keep him from breaking bones).


And to think we could have had my guy John Collins or OG. It was so typical incompetent Wolves.
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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#1247 » by Nick K » Thu Dec 3, 2020 5:08 am

Klomp wrote:
Jedzz wrote:Better roster changes since start of last season to the start this season? Pistons or Wolves?

Pistons now:
Rose/Killian Hayes/Wright
Delon Wright/Ellington/Mykhailiuk/McGruder
Jerami Grant/Saddiq Bey
Blake Griffin/Grant/Doumbouya
Plumlee/Stewart/Okafor

What's the goal? If it's to become a middling playoff team, I don't mind Detroit's moves. But for longterm upside and surrounding your stars with complementary talent? I'll take our roster any day.


Me too. It's nothing short of amazing the amount of player changes and how much better we are in just one year.

We are going to be really fun to watch! We'll surprise a lot of people. Hopefully, most importantly, all of us.
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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#1248 » by Merc_Porto » Thu Dec 3, 2020 5:10 am

Nick K wrote:And to think we could have had my guy John Collins or OG. It was so typical incompetent Wolves.


Another brilliant move by Thibs.
I still can't believe the damage this guy made.

2016 was a good year to be a Timberwolves fan full of hope. By far the most promisse team in the NBA.

We had all the assets to be a really strong contendor by now.
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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#1249 » by Nick K » Thu Dec 3, 2020 5:20 am

KGdaBom wrote:
wolves_89 wrote:With Beasley likely facing a suspension, I'm now leaning towards Rubio being in the starting lineup.

My guess at the depth chart and rotation minutes with Beasley suspended:

Rubio (30)/Russell (18)
Russell (16)/Okogie(26)/Edwards(6)
Culver(26)/Edwards(16)/Layman(6)
Hernangomez(20)/Layman(16)/RHJ(12)
Towns (34)/Davis (14)


When Beasley is back:

Rubio (30)/Russell (18)
Russell (16)/Beasley (28)/Okogie(4)
Culver(20)/Edwards(16)/Okogie(12)
Hernangomez(20)/Layman(16)/RHJ(12)
Towns (34)/Davis (14)

No Vanderbilt? I bet he plays.
No Naz? I bet he plays. Hopefully J Mc plays also.


I love Vanderbilt like you do. I love his skill set for what we need. He could be the perfect fit (Okongwu). What are the odds of him blowing up? 50/50.
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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#1250 » by Jedzz » Thu Dec 3, 2020 5:24 am

Nick K wrote:
Jedzz wrote:Did read that Justin Patton had a broken pinky finger back in September and that was the reason he didn't have some kind of competition with Thon Maker for a spot as expected during a Pistons' local bubble event this September. Sheesh. Then traded to Clippers. Then the Clippers cut Patton free right after. As if they don't need a tall man with a perimeter shot and passing and defensive skills. Patton's path so far seems like he now would be an easy get and a skills improvement for a big depth guy here. (if you can keep him from breaking bones).


And to think we could have had my guy John Collins or OG. It was so typical incompetent Wolves.


They could get him back for cheap right now and play him. Might be better than Collins once playing here. At least until he breaks more glass bones.
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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#1251 » by Nick K » Thu Dec 3, 2020 5:24 am

Norseman79 wrote:The number 1 pick in the draft better be playing 30+ minutes a night or there is going to be some major heat or bust talk. Number 1's don't sit, and they don't play 20 a game.


Absolutely right. I can see them bring him along slowly the first 15 games or so. Nonetheless, I think he's going to kill it.
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Post#1252 » by Jedzz » Thu Dec 3, 2020 5:26 am

Nick K wrote:
Klomp wrote:
Jedzz wrote:Better roster changes since start of last season to the start this season? Pistons or Wolves?

Pistons now:
Rose/Killian Hayes/Wright
Delon Wright/Ellington/Mykhailiuk/McGruder
Jerami Grant/Saddiq Bey
Blake Griffin/Grant/Doumbouya
Plumlee/Stewart/Okafor

What's the goal? If it's to become a middling playoff team, I don't mind Detroit's moves. But for longterm upside and surrounding your stars with complementary talent? I'll take our roster any day.


Me too. It's nothing short of amazing the amount of player changes and how much better we are in just one year.

We are going to be really fun to watch! We'll surprise a lot of people. Hopefully, most importantly, all of us.


I do see Wolves roster improved. I don't necessarily see a well rounded team, but this is the Rosas system not mine. I don't pretend to know how they plan to use everyone.
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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#1253 » by Jedzz » Thu Dec 3, 2020 5:30 am

mercgold3 wrote:
Nick K wrote:And to think we could have had my guy John Collins or OG. It was so typical incompetent Wolves.


Another brilliant move by Thibs.
I still can't believe the damage this guy made.

2016 was a good year to be a Timberwolves fan full of hope. By far the most promisse team in the NBA.

We had all the assets to be a really strong contendor by now.


No, not like you were dreaming at that time. Wiggins was not what many of you were so high on then.

We had Rubio, LaVine, Towns. Sure I wish that 3 stayed together and we built from there. Exactly why I was telling everyone I knew Wiggins had to be traded for Butler if anyone. Let's not even get into all the people that placed LaVine as 6th man at best in their minds and Wiggins rightfully getting 35 minute starts like god created it so. We couldn't argue with the masses on that, it was a fact to them. He was always going to hold that dream projected team back.

There was also maybe 3 people I can remember siding with me that Dunn shouldn't be Thibs pick that year. Things could have been so different at any step of the way. Thibs brought us an exciting season and a playoff birth and frankly I don't care what else occured.
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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#1254 » by Nick K » Thu Dec 3, 2020 5:58 am

mercgold3 wrote:
Nick K wrote:And to think we could have had my guy John Collins or OG. It was so typical incompetent Wolves.


Another brilliant move by Thibs.
I still can't believe the damage this guy made.

2016 was a good year to be a Timberwolves fan full of hope. By far the most promisse team in the NBA.

We had all the assets to be a really strong contendor by now.


It's hard to describe the damage. Overwhelming really. I still miss Zach. Great fun to watch and a great guy. I'm prejudiced but Zach was my pick all along on draft night. His All-Star dunks I've never seen the likes of and I've seen every SD contest.
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Post#1255 » by shangrila » Thu Dec 3, 2020 6:03 am

Nick K wrote:
mercgold3 wrote:
Nick K wrote:And to think we could have had my guy John Collins or OG. It was so typical incompetent Wolves.


Another brilliant move by Thibs.
I still can't believe the damage this guy made.

2016 was a good year to be a Timberwolves fan full of hope. By far the most promisse team in the NBA.

We had all the assets to be a really strong contendor by now.


It's hard to describe the damage. Overwhelming really. I still miss Zach. Great fun to watch and a great guy. I'm prejudiced but Zach was my pick all along on draft night. His All-Star dunks I've never seen the likes of and I've seen every SD contest.

I like Zach too but realistically he looks like a career loser. I don't see his game ever translating to wins.

Though I'm also hoping that isn't Towns so...
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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#1256 » by Jedzz » Thu Dec 3, 2020 6:31 am

Nick K wrote:
Norseman79 wrote:The number 1 pick in the draft better be playing 30+ minutes a night or there is going to be some major heat or bust talk. Number 1's don't sit, and they don't play 20 a game.


Absolutely right. I can see them bring him along slowly the first 15 games or so. Nonetheless, I think he's going to kill it.


So, the exact same path Culver took. No matter what right? Never can an ounce of perpective be gained.
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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#1257 » by Merc_Porto » Thu Dec 3, 2020 11:26 am

It's not the value of Wiggins, Lavine, the 7th pick (2017) or the 6th (2016) right now and how those players turn out to be. Is the value of those guys and picks back then. Wiggins by herself would got us Jimmy Butler or Paul George without giving us picks for example.

We also miss out on guys like Murray or Mitchell. Not even mention Rubio for Teague (not directly)

No team had the assets we had it back then. And you can see that in any article / poll back then.

We had Kahn and that was a trauma enough but i will never forget Thibs as well and how he screw up everything.
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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#1258 » by UnFadeable21 » Thu Dec 3, 2020 12:04 pm

Rubio 28 mins
DLo 34 mins
ANT 26 mins
Juancho 24 mins
KAT 34 mins

Culver 20 mins
Beasley 26 mins
Okogie 18 mins
Layman 15 mins
Davis 15 mins

Jmac, RHJ, Naz subs

13 man roster
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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#1259 » by Klomp » Thu Dec 3, 2020 12:11 pm

mercgold3 wrote:Unless there's physical problems and limited minutes no number one overrall pick plays under 27/28 minutes.

Not even Zion played 25 minutes. Almost 28.

"Almost 28" is under 28 minutes, so your first point is wrong unless you're saying he has physical problems :wink:
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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#1260 » by KGdaBom » Thu Dec 3, 2020 1:12 pm

Klomp wrote:
mercgold3 wrote:Unless there's physical problems and limited minutes no number one overrall pick plays under 27/28 minutes.

Not even Zion played 25 minutes. Almost 28.

"Almost 28" is under 28 minutes, so your first point is wrong unless you're saying he has physical problems :wink:

He said under 27/28 minutes which is over 27. Zion did have physical problems. I'm hopeful that those are a thing of the past for Zion, but I really doubt it.

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