Jordan McLaughlin RFA Status

[Calinks]

Jmac will still get run if he comes back. Not primary back up but you know Rubio or Russell will miss games. Russell already gets load management games, I think Jmac would get time to shine for sure. Having a glut of guards will be a small blessing when someone misses 10 games for some reason.

[shangrila]

Jmac will still get run if he comes back. Not primary back up but you know Rubio or Russell will miss games. Russell already gets load management games, I think Jmac would get time to shine for sure. Having a glut of guards will be a small blessing when someone misses 10 games for some reason.

Rubio v. Teague Part Deux (Trois?)

[Jedzz]

Jmac will still get run if he comes back. Not primary back up but you know Rubio or Russell will miss games. Russell already gets load management games, I think Jmac would get time to shine for sure. Having a glut of guards will be a small blessing when someone misses 10 games for some reason.

idk, I already can guess they might give Culver another shot at filling in at point if someone is out. if Culver is still around come season that is.

[DaMplsKid]

I think with COVID and not knowing how it will effect this season depth will be a huge asset. JMac makes a great option as the 3rd PG. I am just glad no team has made him an offer. (crosses fingers) Have any team expressed interest? Are there any team that "need" to still spent money? What is his QO and can we still squeeze it under the cap?

[thinktank]

What's the holdup?

I wonder if JMac might want to cash in overseas somewhere.

[Jedzz]

What's the holdup?

I wonder if JMac might want to cash in overseas somewhere.

Should. Should go take up Campazzo's old spot. Although I think I read they already had a replacement and that's why Campazzo was maybe going to be available. But they don't have a Jmac.

[TheZachAttack]

What's the holdup?

I wonder if JMac might want to cash in overseas somewhere.

Might be role concerns. I'm sure Jmac, based on his play last season, might be thinking there's a backup 20-25 min role somewhere for him. I'd personally still want to try to get him minutes because I don't think you can ever have enough guys who can play-make, shoot, and handle the ball and penetrate in your rotation.

[minimus]

What's the holdup?

I wonder if JMac might want to cash in overseas somewhere.

Might be role concerns. I'm sure Jmac, based on his play last season, might be thinking there's a backup 20-25 min role somewhere for him. I'd personally still want to try to get him minutes because I don't think you can ever have enough guys who can play-make, shoot, and handle the ball and penetrate in your rotation.

I have been rewatching MIN games and I like JMac offensive skills, he is smart defender too, but he struggles to fight through the screens, he also is not great at contesting 3s. His jumpshot is effective, but is not very quick. His main strength is his impeccable decision making coupled with elite quickness when he decides to slash. We need him to play 3rd ballhandler role, but I also believe that Jmac needs our offensive system to be effective. I think other teams understand this as well. I also hope he understands that he fits well next to Rubio and DLo. In the latest The Athletic article was mentioned, that Juancho wanted more than 7mil, tested FA market and decided to take MIN offer, I expect JMac doing the same.

[Jedzz]

What's the holdup?

I wonder if JMac might want to cash in overseas somewhere.

Might be role concerns. I'm sure Jmac, based on his play last season, might be thinking there's a backup 20-25 min role somewhere for him. I'd personally still want to try to get him minutes because I don't think you can ever have enough guys who can play-make, shoot, and handle the ball and penetrate in your rotation.

I have been rewatching MIN games and I like JMac offensive skills, he is smart defender too, but he struggles to fight through the screens, he also is not great at contesting 3s. His jumpshot is effective, but is not very quick. His main strength is his impeccable decision making coupled with elite quickness when he decides to slash. We need him to play 3rd ballhandler role, but I also believe that Jmac needs our offensive system to be effective. I think other teams understand this as well. I also hope he understands that he fits well next to Rubio and DLo. In the latest The Athletic article was mentioned, that Juancho wanted more than 7mil, tested FA market and decided to take MIN offer, I expect JMac doing the same.

I don't think I agree about him needing Wolves system to be successful. He has way too many skills to be limited to one scheme. We could name some maxed NBA players that don't have his full range of ball skills, handles, uncanny perfection in passing and timing, elite quickness, burst, change of direction, ups, net finishing options, game IQ and what he will always lack in size/height/length on the defensive end he at least makes up some for by being aggressvie defensively, stealing, and being in good position. Sure, he can be pushed around on screens. But even guys that can't get pushed around on screens still get worked by them, that's why everyone keeps screening. All that is needed is that half step of space and delay interference the technique provides.

The difference between Juancho/Beasley situations and someone like JMac was the RFA status. They pulled the QO on Martin and then someone brought him aboard. You could say, if someone really wanted JMac they would give him an offer. But the reality is there is an extra step involved because of the RFA status. So a team has to first put out an offer, he signs, then that team waits for Wolves to match or not. When that happens the team with the offer has now told the PGs on their team that they are still looking for players of their position. That's no small thing to take into account so the situations are different. At least I think Beasley and Juancho were real FA.

Doesn't matter. Damage is done and the minimal role, if any, that remains is going to be what it is.

[Klomp]

The difference between Juancho/Beasley situations and someone like JMac was the RFA status. They pulled the QO on Martin and then someone brought him aboard. You could say, if someone really wanted JMac they would give him an offer. But the reality is there is an extra step involved because of the RFA status. So a team has to first put out an offer, he signs, then that team waits for Wolves to match or not. When that happens the team with the offer has now told the PGs on their team that they are still looking for players of their position. That's no small thing to take into account so the situations are different. At least I think Beasley and Juancho were real FA.

They were both RFAs.

[TheZachAttack]

The difference between Juancho/Beasley situations and someone like JMac was the RFA status. They pulled the QO on Martin and then someone brought him aboard. You could say, if someone really wanted JMac they would give him an offer. But the reality is there is an extra step involved because of the RFA status. So a team has to first put out an offer, he signs, then that team waits for Wolves to match or not. When that happens the team with the offer has now told the PGs on their team that they are still looking for players of their position. That's no small thing to take into account so the situations are different. At least I think Beasley and Juancho were real FA.

They were both RFAs.

Exactly. It's seems logical, given that the Wolves lack a 3rd ball-handler who is better than him (and likely want to play some 2-guard lineups with D Lo and Rubio), that McLaughlin is trying to gauge interest from other teams and see if there is a contract out there for him. If the Wolves had offered him a contract and/or role that aligned with his ideal fit, he'd likely already be back.

I would expect that J Mac thinks he can be a backup PG with a 20-25 min role and that the Wolves roster, based on other offseason roles, may not provide that for him off the bat. The Wolves also probably either 1) don't want to pay him the kind of money associated with that role if they can't promise it to him or 2) don't feel the need to have to offer him that type of contract right away if they aren't forced into doing so by another team. If there isn't a lot of league interest in J mac, the Wolves have a lot of leverage to make him accept a team-friendly deal and a smaller role (at least initially).

From a Wolves perspective, I'm sure we'd love to have outsized talent comparatively to a role and as a 3rd-ball handler J mac certainly fits that description.

[old school 34]

The difference between Juancho/Beasley situations and someone like JMac was the RFA status. They pulled the QO on Martin and then someone brought him aboard. You could say, if someone really wanted JMac they would give him an offer. But the reality is there is an extra step involved because of the RFA status. So a team has to first put out an offer, he signs, then that team waits for Wolves to match or not. When that happens the team with the offer has now told the PGs on their team that they are still looking for players of their position. That's no small thing to take into account so the situations are different. At least I think Beasley and Juancho were real FA.

They were both RFAs.

Exactly. It's seems logical, given that the Wolves lack a 3rd ball-handler who is better than him (and likely want to play some 2-guard lineups with D Lo and Rubio), that McLaughlin is trying to gauge interest from other teams and see if there is a contract out there for him. If the Wolves had offered him a contract and/or role that aligned with his ideal fit, he'd likely already be back.

I would expect that J Mac thinks he can be a backup PG with a 20-25 min role and that the Wolves roster, based on other offseason roles, may not provide that for him off the bat. The Wolves also probably either 1) don't want to pay him the kind of money associated with that role if they can't promise it to him or 2) don't feel the need to have to offer him that type of contract right away if they aren't forced into doing so by another team. If there isn't a lot of league interest in J mac, the Wolves have a lot of leverage to make him accept a team-friendly deal and a smaller role (at least initially).

From a Wolves perspective, I'm sure we'd love to have outsized talent comparatively to a role and as a 3rd-ball handler J mac certainly fits that description.

They were very proactive with Beasley cause they believed the noise about teams interested and wanted to dictate the terms of the contract to ensure he's a movable piece if need be down the road...didn't want a Bogdan deal...Sac was in a no win situation and as short term painful as it was ...probably made the right call. And sure Atl got their guy, but it has to work out...because of the way they had to structure it...pretty difficult to move him?

Juancho & JMac...played the other way...which to Wolves credit--seems like they've read the league correctly in these situations? Trying to leverage for a much more team friendly deal while not being extreme about it? Sure Juancho probably wanted 9-10, but shouldn't be long term ill effects by squeezing him to 7 & getting the TO. My hope is the same here ultimately for JMac...he was probably hoping for more than say 3.5 &/or a guaranteed backup pg role. How the market played out...don't see that out there...anything under 3 mil...Wolves match....seems like a 3 for 9 deal just seems inevitable? And while he may be a little disappointed @ first....it's relatively close to a Jevon Carter/Melton type of deal. There's a ton of guys similar to (undrafted and needed to grind) that would take that & run....with the way this roster is still fluid...who's to say a larger role doesn't develop still (if he took proposed deal...he'd be under contract longer than Rubio)?

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[old school 34]

They were both RFAs.

Exactly. It's seems logical, given that the Wolves lack a 3rd ball-handler who is better than him (and likely want to play some 2-guard lineups with D Lo and Rubio), that McLaughlin is trying to gauge interest from other teams and see if there is a contract out there for him. If the Wolves had offered him a contract and/or role that aligned with his ideal fit, he'd likely already be back.

I would expect that J Mac thinks he can be a backup PG with a 20-25 min role and that the Wolves roster, based on other offseason roles, may not provide that for him off the bat. The Wolves also probably either 1) don't want to pay him the kind of money associated with that role if they can't promise it to him or 2) don't feel the need to have to offer him that type of contract right away if they aren't forced into doing so by another team. If there isn't a lot of league interest in J mac, the Wolves have a lot of leverage to make him accept a team-friendly deal and a smaller role (at least initially).

From a Wolves perspective, I'm sure we'd love to have outsized talent comparatively to a role and as a 3rd-ball handler J mac certainly fits that description.

They were very proactive with Beasley cause they believed the noise about teams interested and wanted to dictate the terms of the contract to ensure he's a movable piece if need be down the road...didn't want a Bogdan deal...Sac was in a no win situation and as short term painful as it was ...probably made the right call. And sure Atl got their guy, but it has to work out...because of the way they had to structure it...pretty difficult to move him?

Juancho & JMac...played the other way...which to Wolves credit--seems like they've read the league correctly in these situations? Trying to leverage for a much more team friendly deal while not being extreme about it? Sure Juancho probably wanted 9-10, but shouldn't be long term ill effects by squeezing him to 7 & getting the TO. My hope is the same here ultimately for JMac...he was probably hoping for more than say 3.5 &/or a guaranteed backup pg role. How the market played out...don't see that out there...anything under 3 mil...Wolves match....seems like a 3 for 9 deal just seems inevitable? And while he may be a little disappointed @ first....it's relatively close to a Jevon Carter/Melton type of deal. There's a ton of guys similar to (undrafted and needed to grind) that would take that & run....with the way this roster is still fluid...who's to say a larger role doesn't develop still (if he took proposed deal...he'd be under contract longer than Rubio)?

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Oops off on the Melton deal...thought his was similar to Carter's....off a fair amount but still applies in Carter situation or like a TJ McConnell?

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[Calinks]

Honestly, I think teams are sleeping if they aren't trying to get Jmac. The dude can ball, and I don't think he just needs our system either.

[theGreatRC]

Honestly, I think teams are sleeping if they aren't trying to get Jmac. The dude can ball, and I don't think he just needs our system either.

Shhhhh we can't let teams know he's a hidden gem..we need him back. We'd have the deepest PG rotation in the league

[Jedzz]

Honestly, I think teams are sleeping if they aren't trying to get Jmac. The dude can ball, and I don't think he just needs our system either.

I agree and the Wolves slept on what he could have been here too.

Bucks signed DJ Augustin to a 3/21 w/14 guaranteed (7per). He's 33 and 5-11 185. JMac is better at this point. But, Augustin was a FA and he comes from a draft history of 9th overall 13 years ago. Always seems to come down to that past draft history. Augustine started his career on a solid rookie deal, then strung out years of one year deals but has been making 7per since 2016.

[Jedzz]

I have been rewatching MIN games and I like ..., . His jumpshot is effective, but is not very quick.

Picking on this one point here, while rewatching do you think you saw moments where he couldn't get his shot off or was defended because he didn't get it off fast enough?

Personally I didn't notice anything about him being slower, but maybe I missed this.

[TheZachAttack]

I have been rewatching MIN games and I like ..., . His jumpshot is effective, but is not very quick.

Picking on this one point here, while rewatching do you think you saw moments where he couldn't get his shot off or was defended because he didn't get it off fast enough?

Personally I didn't notice anything about him being slower, but maybe I missed this.

Plus, it's less about Jmac's trigger off the dribble (which is where release really matters) because that's not really the point about why he's really good as a significant second unit contributor. It's about the fact that with the ball he can penetrate (and also score at the rim), but also play make to open shooters on the perimeter. It's the fact that he's not a pound the rock Jeff Teague PG, he's a move the ball and work to the open space PG. It's the fact that he can spot up off ball and play off of other penetrators/scorers. It's all of those things, rather than if he's got a quick enough shot to be taking step back 3's off the dribble. That's not really what I want him doing or need him doing.

I actually don't think that there's much of a difference between J mac and VanFleet (if J mac's play was actually a baseline of who he is). Same size, same skillset.

[minimus]

I have been rewatching MIN games and I like ..., . His jumpshot is effective, but is not very quick.

Picking on this one point here, while rewatching do you think you saw moments where he couldn't get his shot off or was defended because he didn't get it off fast enough?

Personally I didn't notice anything about him being slower, but maybe I missed this.

Nothing criminal, it is just in comparison with his quickness when he is slashing, his jump shot looks a bit slow.

[Klomp]

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