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[thebuzzardman]

Alec Burks = Aaron Afflalo
Reggie Bullock = Courtney Lee

Except both those guys made north of 10 million and were on multi year deals.

I mean, it's not much better in terms of talent, but at least the contracts are better.

[KnicksGadfly]

If Bullock plays like he did in the past, we can probably move him to a playoff contender for a 1st I think. Almost every playoff roster could use a solid 3&D guy...some might even start him.

Also I got respect for Courtney Lee.

Finally, hope Frank’s corner 3 from last season wasn’t a fluke.

[G_K_F]

If Bullock plays like he did in the past, we can probably move him to a playoff contender for a 1st I think. Almost every playoff roster could use a solid 3&D guy...some might even start him.

Also I got respect for Courtney Lee.

Finally, hope Frank’s corner 3 from last season wasn’t a fluke.

You have a better chance of trading Randle for Zion straight up.

[Oscirus]

If Bullock plays like he did in the past, we can probably move him to a playoff contender for a 1st I think. Almost every playoff roster could use a solid 3&D guy...some might even start him.

Also I got respect for Courtney Lee.

Finally, hope Frank’s corner 3 from last season wasn’t a fluke.

You have a better chance of trading Randle for Zion straight up.

[snadler]

If Bullock plays like he did in the past, we can probably move him to a playoff contender for a 1st I think. Almost every playoff roster could use a solid 3&D guy...some might even start him.

Also I got respect for Courtney Lee.

Finally, hope Frank’s corner 3 from last season wasn’t a fluke.

Bullock for a first..lol..almost as funny as the Knicks signing a star free agent next summer..not happening

[Oscirus]

All highly viable trade pieces unlike last year. We got lucky with Morris IMO

No they're not. Theres more value in keeping these guys as opposed to picking up a 2nd for either of them

Other than Rivers...these players are all more valuable as trade pieces than keeping. They will need a new deal next year. Getting an asset instead of letting them walk is value...right? Am I missing something?

If you think we're getting anything of value for journeymen, then you're dreaming and at this point we have enough 2nd rounders dont need to add to the clutter

[blanko]

No they're not. Theres more value in keeping these guys as opposed to picking up a 2nd for either of them

Other than Rivers...these players are all more valuable as trade pieces than keeping. They will need a new deal next year. Getting an asset instead of letting them walk is value...right? Am I missing something?

If you think we're getting anything of value for journeymen, then you're dreaming and at this point we have enough 2nd rounders dont need to add to the clutter

Second rounders are valuable,

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[HarthorneWingo]

In which thread do we discuss current Knicks issues?

[Oscirus]

Other than Rivers...these players are all more valuable as trade pieces than keeping. They will need a new deal next year. Getting an asset instead of letting them walk is value...right? Am I missing something?

If you think we're getting anything of value for journeymen, then you're dreaming and at this point we have enough 2nd rounders dont need to add to the clutter

Second rounders are valuable,

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They're trash, lotto tickets with bad odds.

[BBALLER4FR]

In which thread do we discuss current Knicks issues?

Close your eyes, slide your mouse and click the left button. You've probably found your thread.

[blanko]

If you think we're getting anything of value for journeymen, then you're dreaming and at this point we have enough 2nd rounders dont need to add to the clutter

Second rounders are valuable,

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They're trash, lotto tickets with bad odds.

They are used as sweeteners, they combine with draft picks to move up, a 2nd rounder seems to be worth arounf 3 million in cap space. Assets of various kinds can be used in a plethra of ways.

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[Ray Williams]

If Bullock plays like he did in the past, we can probably move him to a playoff contender for a 1st I think. Almost every playoff roster could use a solid 3&D guy...some might even start him.

Also I got respect for Courtney Lee.

Finally, hope Frank’s corner 3 from last season wasn’t a fluke.

You have a better chance of trading Randle for Zion straight up.

[spree2kawhi]

Fair enough, I'd support this. Top level shooters are hard to get though. I don't think that's appreciated enough around here. Obviously we don't have that.

What's more, we are paying mediocre players without any standout skill right now during our rebuild. Might as well pay someone you could still use down the road.

But if we can get a gunner of his caliber on a rookie deal, I'm in.

We need versatile players, and Buddy is not that, he's just a shooter and not much else but he's paid like a number 2 guy. I think too many Knicks fans look at all the good teams around the league, then come up with an amalgamation of all the things we need based on the things other teams have.

What we need is versatile talent, that is the path to winning, versatility and players who have unique skills that make it difficult to matchup with. What does Hield do that presents a difficult matchup? Nothing really, and he negatively impacts us on the defensive end too.

You don't need a Klay/Curry type of shooter to win the title, just good enough to make teams pay, and those type of shooters aren't that hard to find when you have the right core pieces.

As someone who would be happy if they got Buddy without giving up draft capital, I can get down with your perspective. He's certainly got flaws and hasn't been part of winning - for these reasons I have no problem leaving him in SAC and pursuing alternative routes; he's not a must have or anything to me. I think my personal pushback on the dismissal of Hield though is the idea that he's "just a shooter" as a pejorative, or that you can find dudes like him at the back end of a weak draft (Nesmith).

Hield is a pretty incredible VOLUME shooter when comparing him to everyone else in the NBA. These are the top 15 guys in the league in terms of 3PA per game last year (the only 15 to average at least eight 3PA a game), and what they shot:



Hield had the 5th most 3PA per game in the NBA last season, and amongst the highest volume shooters had the 4th best 3P% behind only Duncan Robinson, Bertans, and Dame. The man is another level of shooter beyond the "just a shooter" dismissal in my opinion.

Exactly my point, word for word. If anything, he's underrated here.

[spree2kawhi]

We need versatile players, and Buddy is not that, he's just a shooter and not much else but he's paid like a number 2 guy. I think too many Knicks fans look at all the good teams around the league, then come up with an amalgamation of all the things we need based on the things other teams have.

What we need is versatile talent, that is the path to winning, versatility and players who have unique skills that make it difficult to matchup with. What does Hield do that presents a difficult matchup? Nothing really, and he negatively impacts us on the defensive end too.

You don't need a Klay/Curry type of shooter to win the title, just good enough to make teams pay, and those type of shooters aren't that hard to find when you have the right core pieces.

As someone who would be happy if they got Buddy without giving up draft capital, I can get down with your perspective. He's certainly got flaws and hasn't been part of winning - for these reasons I have no problem leaving him in SAC and pursuing alternative routes; he's not a must have or anything to me. I think my personal pushback on the dismissal of Hield though is the idea that he's "just a shooter" as a pejorative, or that you can find dudes like him at the back end of a weak draft (Nesmith).

Hield is a pretty incredible VOLUME shooter when comparing him to everyone else in the NBA. These are the top 15 guys in the league in terms of 3PA per game last year (the only 15 to average at least eight 3PA a game), and what they shot:



Hield had the 5th most 3PA per game in the NBA last season, and among the highest volume shooters had the 4th best 3P% behind only Duncan Robinson, Bertans, and Dame. The man is another level of shooter beyond the "just a shooter" dismissal in my opinion.

Welll he is pretty much "just a shooter" but like Bertans and Robinson he' damn good in that one aspect. But as you know,those guys don't have have the foundation piece versatility of Dame.

So IMO its about priorities. Do you sacrifice some of that draft potential to get that foundation piece in the short term for that damn good one dimensional shooter- who really doesn't fit your timeline -Heild is like 27?

A 27 year old shooter will only be 31 in 4 years. How long do you plan on playing for the top pick?

On the flip side of what you say (and I don't even disagree with you): Unlike Hield, our franchise player currently doesn't have a single standout skill. He looks a lot like Andre Iguodala to me - without the athleticism and defensive upside though.

[aq_ua]

https://towardsdatascience.com/the-asset-of-age-e4b45599ea94

A sobering look at the correlation of age to production (PER) in the NBA.
Our roster is about 2 years younger than the league average, but not tracking to the overall league PER distribution (hence reflected in our record). The data really does point to the need to either keep accumulating opportunities to draft younger players and to go after players (in FA or trade) with higher PERs but in that mid-20s age range (yes, Randle had a 21 PER at age 24 so obviously not a perfect science).

[blanko]

Hey guys how about josh heart? He seems to be the odd man out at NO.

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[HarthorneWingo]

In which thread do we discuss current Knicks issues?

Close your eyes, slide your mouse and click the left button. You've probably found your thread.

You know, you're going to get old one day too.

[MaseInYourFace]

Obi Toppin sets conditioning test record in Knicks rookie harbinger.

They say the NBA season — even a shortened 72-game campaign — is a marathon. Let’s hope Obi Toppin’s record-setting conditioning pays off in his rookie season.

Toppin, the eighth pick in the draft last month, revealed he scored the highest in the franchise’s conditioning test, which is believed to consist of mostly running drills.

“I feel like with my athletic ability, my speed, the way I move my body, I understand my body, and I understand the things I need to do to get better and to take my game to another level so I’m locked in,’’ Toppin said. “I’m at another level, I’m not in college anymore, and I’m locked into what I have to do to be great.”

https://nypost.com/2020/12/03/obi-toppin-scores-record-high-on-knicks-conditioning-test/

Not surprised. Kid is in excellent shape. He looks like has very little body fat.

[MaseInYourFace]

In which thread do we discuss current Knicks issues?

Close your eyes, slide your mouse and click the left button. You've probably found your thread.

You know, you're going to get old one day too.

I think it’s the training camp one for the time being?

[shrink]

Some news came up in Minnesota that I thought Knicks fans might be interested in.

The Wolves best local reporter, Jon Krascinki of the Athletic, was surprised by Malik Beasley’s contract (4 for $60, final season a team option), considering his legal issues and the additions of Rubio and Anthony Edwards, and did some digging. Supposedly the Knicks told him that he was their #2 priority in free agency, and if they didn’t get Gordon Hayward, they’d have a big offer waiting for him.. I don’t know if it’s true or not, but Rosas refused to play hardball with Beas, and signed him on Day One to the deal.

I personally wanted to add that if this is true, I could certainly see the Knicks being able to trade for Malik on the cheap, later this season when he becomes eligible. MIN certainly is overstocked in guards (Russell, Rubio, Beasley, and their 2018, 2019, and 2020 picks) and will struggle to find the minutes to invest. In addition, part of the reason MIN gave up a late 1st at the deadline was to get Beasley’s Bird rights, so he could add a higher level of matching salary for future trades. And Rosas likes to deal.

Anyway, I didn’t know if you guys had heard this, so I thought I’d take the time to bring it over to you. Good luck this season.