How big is the talent gap between Kawhi and Paul George? Which player is more important to Clippers?

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How big is the talent gap between Kawhi Leonard and Paul George?

Kawhi is significantly better
179
62%
Kawhi is slightly better
80
28%
Both players are pretty much equal in talent
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6%
Paul George is slightly better
9
3%
Paul George is significantly better
5
2%
 
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Post#81 » by Rodwilliams » Sat Dec 5, 2020 11:14 pm

Vampirate wrote:Kawhi, especially in the Post Season is an MVP caliber player, Paul George is not.

There is a huge difference.

Because the PG trade landed Kawhi, it was worth it for that very reason. Take Kawhi off the Clippers and I have a hard time seeing the Clippers being any better than the current Raptors.

As for the Clippers being better than the Raptors because of George, the Raptors have 2 point guards that can be just as inconsistent as him with the 3 point shot. However since there 2 of them, odds are one of them will have a decent night behind the 3 point line.



This post didn’t age well. Can’t believe some of the people on this post who said Kawhi is “significantly better”. Kawhi has had the benefit of playing on stacked rosters. Guys who play like a “MVP” in the playoffs don’t blow 3-1 leads and he also had a horrible game 7. Didn’t show up in the 4th quarter in game 5, 6 or 7.
Harry Garris wrote: Curry can turn non playoff teams into title contenders.

Not if the team doesn’t have elite defenders[/quote]
What a pointless statement.Every Finals team had elite role players[/quote]
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Re: How big is the talent gap between Kawhi and Paul George? Which player is more important to Clippers? 

Post#82 » by Homer38 » Sat Dec 5, 2020 11:17 pm

Rodwilliams wrote:
Vampirate wrote:Kawhi, especially in the Post Season is an MVP caliber player, Paul George is not.

There is a huge difference.

Because the PG trade landed Kawhi, it was worth it for that very reason. Take Kawhi off the Clippers and I have a hard time seeing the Clippers being any better than the current Raptors.

As for the Clippers being better than the Raptors because of George, the Raptors have 2 point guards that can be just as inconsistent as him with the 3 point shot. However since there 2 of them, odds are one of them will have a decent night behind the 3 point line.



This post didn’t age well. Can’t believe some of the people on this post who said Kawhi is “significantly better”. Kawhi has had the benefit of playing on stacked rosters. Guys who play like a “MVP” in the playoffs don’t blow 3-1 leads and he also had a horrible game 7. Didn’t show up in the 4th quarter in game 5, 6 or 7.



Kawhi was not good in the last few games against Denver but Paul George has been garbage for most of the 2020 playoffs...This is not close.
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Re: How big is the talent gap between Kawhi and Paul George? Which player is more important to Clippers? 

Post#83 » by Noctilux » Sat Dec 5, 2020 11:20 pm

George is a deadly shooter of back boards and strippers.
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Re: How big is the talent gap between Kawhi and Paul George? Which player is more important to Clippers? 

Post#84 » by og15 » Sat Dec 5, 2020 11:20 pm

Rodwilliams wrote:
Vampirate wrote:Kawhi, especially in the Post Season is an MVP caliber player, Paul George is not.

There is a huge difference.

Because the PG trade landed Kawhi, it was worth it for that very reason. Take Kawhi off the Clippers and I have a hard time seeing the Clippers being any better than the current Raptors.

As for the Clippers being better than the Raptors because of George, the Raptors have 2 point guards that can be just as inconsistent as him with the 3 point shot. However since there 2 of them, odds are one of them will have a decent night behind the 3 point line.



This post didn’t age well. Can’t believe some of the people on this post who said Kawhi is “significantly better”. Kawhi has had the benefit of playing on stacked rosters. Guys who play like a “MVP” in the playoffs don’t blow 3-1 leads and he also had a horrible game 7. Didn’t show up in the 4th quarter in game 5, 6 or 7.

Durant did, Kobe and the Lakers did, Curry and the Warriors did. Now, maybe you have caveats, but the statement was general without any exceptions listed, so I'm just taking it as it is. Now, it is possible that you might be suggesting that none of those guys (Kobe, Durant, Curry, Kawhi) play like MVP's in the playoffs, and if so, then carry on.

Certainly game 6 and 7 4th quarters were tragic, but Kawhi had 13 pts (leader) in the 4th of game 5, game 6 and 7 were a different story, certainly.
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Re: How big is the talent gap between Kawhi and Paul George? Which player is more important to Clippers? 

Post#85 » by heezyo2o » Sun Dec 6, 2020 12:44 am

Kawhi is no doubt the better player, but PG might almost be as important because if PG lays an egg in the playoffs then they're not going anywhere.
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Post#86 » by Rodwilliams » Sun Dec 6, 2020 1:55 am

og15 wrote:
Rodwilliams wrote:
Vampirate wrote:Kawhi, especially in the Post Season is an MVP caliber player, Paul George is not.

There is a huge difference.

Because the PG trade landed Kawhi, it was worth it for that very reason. Take Kawhi off the Clippers and I have a hard time seeing the Clippers being any better than the current Raptors.

As for the Clippers being better than the Raptors because of George, the Raptors have 2 point guards that can be just as inconsistent as him with the 3 point shot. However since there 2 of them, odds are one of them will have a decent night behind the 3 point line.



This post didn’t age well. Can’t believe some of the people on this post who said Kawhi is “significantly better”. Kawhi has had the benefit of playing on stacked rosters. Guys who play like a “MVP” in the playoffs don’t blow 3-1 leads and he also had a horrible game 7. Didn’t show up in the 4th quarter in game 5, 6 or 7.

Durant did, Kobe and the Lakers did, Curry and the Warriors did. Now, maybe you have caveats, but the statement was general without any exceptions listed, so I'm just taking it as it is. Now, it is possible that you might be suggesting that none of those guys (Kobe, Durant, Curry, Kawhi) play like MVP's in the playoffs, and if so, then carry on.

Certainly game 6 and 7 4th quarters were tragic, but Kawhi had 13 pts (leader) in the 4th of game 5, game 6 and 7 were a different story, certainly.



You have some points there but what I’m trying to say is that everyone called this guy a superstar way too soon. Because of one year with the Raptors? He was never in the same class as Lebron and Durant but just had the benefit of playing on all time rosters. He is now going through the trials and tribulations that stars go through to become superstars, like some of the names you mentioned. He’s growing but not at that level yet. He’s not “significantly better” than Paul George. Better yes but not significant.
Harry Garris wrote: Curry can turn non playoff teams into title contenders.

Not if the team doesn’t have elite defenders[/quote]
What a pointless statement.Every Finals team had elite role players[/quote]
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Post#87 » by Metallikid » Sun Dec 6, 2020 1:58 am

Kawhi consistently at his best would be All-NBA First Team. Paul consistently at his best would be All-NBA Second/Third Team.

Kawhi would be top 5 in MVP voting. Paul would be top 10 in MVP voting.
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Post#88 » by Rodwilliams » Sun Dec 6, 2020 2:06 am

Metallikid wrote:Kawhi at his best would be consistently All-NBA First Team. Paul at his best would be consistently All-NBA Second/Third Team.




https://www.nba.com/history/awards/all-nba-team


Scroll down and you will see that Paul George made the first all NBA team in 2018-19 season. Kawhi didn’t. Nether one of them made it last season. Not sure what you’re talking about.
Harry Garris wrote: Curry can turn non playoff teams into title contenders.

Not if the team doesn’t have elite defenders[/quote]
What a pointless statement.Every Finals team had elite role players[/quote]
Rodwilliams wrote:Duh!Thats what I just said. Eat your own words
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Re: How big is the talent gap between Kawhi and Paul George? Which player is more important to Clippers? 

Post#89 » by Metallikid » Sun Dec 6, 2020 2:15 am

Rodwilliams wrote:
Metallikid wrote:Kawhi at his best would be consistently All-NBA First Team. Paul at his best would be consistently All-NBA Second/Third Team.




https://www.nba.com/history/awards/all-nba-team


Scroll down and you will see that Paul George made the first all NBA team in 2018-19 season. Kawhi didn’t. Nether one of them made it last season. Not sure what you’re talking about.


Yes, because Kawhi load manages. If he played 76+ games do you think he would not make the 1st team in those years?
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Re: How big is the talent gap between Kawhi and Paul George? Which player is more important to Clippers? 

Post#90 » by TheNewEra » Sun Dec 6, 2020 2:19 am

og15 wrote:
Rodwilliams wrote:
Vampirate wrote:Kawhi, especially in the Post Season is an MVP caliber player, Paul George is not.

There is a huge difference.

Because the PG trade landed Kawhi, it was worth it for that very reason. Take Kawhi off the Clippers and I have a hard time seeing the Clippers being any better than the current Raptors.

As for the Clippers being better than the Raptors because of George, the Raptors have 2 point guards that can be just as inconsistent as him with the 3 point shot. However since there 2 of them, odds are one of them will have a decent night behind the 3 point line.



This post didn’t age well. Can’t believe some of the people on this post who said Kawhi is “significantly better”. Kawhi has had the benefit of playing on stacked rosters. Guys who play like a “MVP” in the playoffs don’t blow 3-1 leads and he also had a horrible game 7. Didn’t show up in the 4th quarter in game 5, 6 or 7.

Durant did, Kobe and the Lakers did, Curry and the Warriors did. Now, maybe you have caveats, but the statement was general without any exceptions listed, so I'm just taking it as it is. Now, it is possible that you might be suggesting that none of those guys (Kobe, Durant, Curry, Kawhi) play like MVP's in the playoffs, and if so, then carry on.

Certainly game 6 and 7 4th quarters were tragic, but Kawhi had 13 pts (leader) in the 4th of game 5, game 6 and 7 were a different story, certainly.


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Post#91 » by Def Leppard » Sun Dec 6, 2020 3:17 am

Talent and ability to perform are wildly different

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Post#92 » by Rodwilliams » Sun Dec 6, 2020 4:22 pm

Metallikid wrote:
Rodwilliams wrote:
Metallikid wrote:Kawhi at his best would be consistently All-NBA First Team. Paul at his best would be consistently All-NBA Second/Third Team.




https://www.nba.com/history/awards/all-nba-team


Scroll down and you will see that Paul George made the first all NBA team in 2018-19 season. Kawhi didn’t. Nether one of them made it last season. Not sure what you’re talking about.


Yes, because Kawhi load manages. If he played 76+ games do you think he would not make the 1st team in those years?


Make it over who those years? He’s not making it over Lebron and Giannis. I do think Kawhi is better than Giannis but the media has a love affair with Giannis so he’s not making it over him. If Durant is healthy then Kawhi has zero chance of making all nba first team. Both Kawhi and Paul George are currently all second nba team.
Harry Garris wrote: Curry can turn non playoff teams into title contenders.

Not if the team doesn’t have elite defenders[/quote]
What a pointless statement.Every Finals team had elite role players[/quote]
Rodwilliams wrote:Duh!Thats what I just said. Eat your own words

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