Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIX

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nate is right -- no point putting bandaids on a corpse.... Don't take something that isn't very good yet & work on giving it better "balance."

Let’s not completely jump all over Penbeast here.

I agree that Tucker is mostly useless to us. What I like is getting back a #1 pick AND getting rid of Jerome Robinson.

I’m just not sold on Rui’s upside.

Did I come across as jumping on penbeast? Didn't mean to.

Agree with your other points!

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Wizards 2021 1st round pick, Robin Lopez, Jerome Robinson, and salary filler for Myles Turner at the deadline.

We can get a guy who will turn 25 in March that can rim protect and shoot threes that's locked up on a reasonable contract for another 3 years *without* losing Thomas Bryant.

I don't know that we could expect to get a player with our first round pick that's likely to be better than Myles. I think it turns our center rotation from relatively putrid to suddenly one of the better center rotations in the league.

The only reason I could see hesitation from the Pacers is if they fear the significant impact it would have on their season, but taking a step back this season for a larger reward as early as next year would be smart.

That's not much of a return for Indiana....

I was thinking just the opposite. I wouldn't give a lottery pick next year for Turner.

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I’ll throw a wild one out there.

To Washington:
Bazley
Ariza


To OKC:
Hachimura
Smith
Wagner
Robinson

Why? Swapping 2019 1st round picks. Bazley projects as a good 3pt shooter and quality defender, already rebounds better than Hachimura. Ariza is still one of the better 3&D wings in the NBA and makes us better right now. Wagner and Robinson offer potential but I’m selling personally. OKC gets a quality backup PG in Ish Smith, we let the better player have the backup PG spot (Neto) and give more opportunity to Winston. We get ALOT better defensively on the perimeter. Moving Wagner and Robinson could free up some opportunities for Childs and Mathews.

Westbrook Neto Winston
Beal Brown jr Mathews
Bazley Avdija
Ariza Bertans Gill
Bryant Lopez

Brown Jr Ariza

I haven't seen Bazley play first hand, but statistically, Rui looks quite a bit better. Rui is better in nearly every statistical category except rebounds and posts a much higher PER and WS/48. And he did so while playing against starters, whereas Bazley is a backup.

I still don't get this rapid rush to judgement on Rui. So many on this board seem hell bent on offloading him.

Anyhoo, I like the rest of the deal. I'd love to see us trade Smith, Wagner and Robinson for Ariza. It gives us one good veteran wing defender while freeing up some more minutes for Brown, Winston and Mathews. Though I suppose it would create a big log jam at forward.

I'm not high on Rui, but I don't see enough in what Bazley did as a rookie to be in a hurry to swap them. The rest of the trade -- sure. Especially b/c it would take the question off the table of whether the Wiz are foolish enough to extend Robinson & Wagner no matter how they play this year.

If that didn't worry me, I'd pass anyway. Ariza would seem to be in his last year in the league. Bringing him on doesn't enrich our future. We'd have to add 2 players obviously. I suppose we'd promote Mathews & Winston to the regular roster, sign Yoeli Childs as a 2-way, & i guess Homesley too?

More fun for me, that's sure. & I'd like to see Winston & Mathews.

[gambitx777]

Would you trade westbrook for Gordon and fultz and ross? in orlando doubt orlando would.

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[pcbothwel]

Would you trade westbrook for Gordon and fultz and ross? in orlando doubt orlando would.

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The value is fine, but two problems:
1) Westbrook is about to provide a huge influx of talent/production along with culture. Dont belittle the latter. The dude wanted out of Houston because their was no accountability and lackadaisical attitude.
We NEED Russ for at least a year to help steer the ship in the right direction. Tommy said this 2 years ago and has been beating the drum ever since. This sport requires young, usually spoiled, men to live on the road in a highly competitive and fast moving environment. We need men like Russ and Beal to help set this organization on the right path in regards to how you spend your time, take care of your body, and prepare to compete every other day.

2) While the value is right, Gordon would immediately push Rui & Deni to the bench with their redundant skill set (I think Gordon and Deni are A LOT a like from that ballhandling/playmaking standpoint). Unless they look like trash, I would just assume we move Gordon to a third team for a pick.

[nate33]

Would you trade westbrook for Gordon and fultz and ross? in orlando doubt orlando would.

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The value is fine, but two problems:
1) Westbrook is about to provide a huge influx of talent/production along with culture. Dont belittle the latter. The dude wanted out of Houston because their was no accountability and lackadaisical attitude.
We NEED Russ for at least a year to help steer the ship in the right direction. Tommy said this 2 years ago and has been beating the drum ever since. This sport requires young, usually spoiled, men to live on the road in a highly competitive and fast moving environment. We need men like Russ and Beal to help set this organization on the right path in regards to how you spend your time, take care of your body, and prepare to compete every other day.

2) While the value is right, Gordon would immediately push Rui & Deni to the bench with their redundant skill set (I think Gordon and Deni are A LOT a like from that ballhandling/playmaking standpoint). Unless they look like trash, I would just assume we move Gordon to a third team for a pick.

Do the trade at the deadline. That gives a few months for Westbrook to help with team mindset. And flip Aaron Gordon to Indiana for Myles Turner.

It leaves us with a hole at PG though. I have little faith in Fultz.

[gambitx777]

I mean if Fultz can't be a competent starter that trade makes us a lot deeper.
Fultz ish
Beal ross
Bertans deni
Gordon rui
Bryant mo

But again I like what Russ is going to do here honestly .

Would you trade westbrook for Gordon and fultz and ross? in orlando doubt orlando would.

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The value is fine, but two problems:
1) Westbrook is about to provide a huge influx of talent/production along with culture. Dont belittle the latter. The dude wanted out of Houston because their was no accountability and lackadaisical attitude.
We NEED Russ for at least a year to help steer the ship in the right direction. Tommy said this 2 years ago and has been beating the drum ever since. This sport requires young, usually spoiled, men to live on the road in a highly competitive and fast moving environment. We need men like Russ and Beal to help set this organization on the right path in regards to how you spend your time, take care of your body, and prepare to compete every other day.

2) While the value is right, Gordon would immediately push Rui & Deni to the bench with their redundant skill set (I think Gordon and Deni are A LOT a like from that ballhandling/playmaking standpoint). Unless they look like trash, I would just assume we move Gordon to a third team for a pick.

Do the trade at the deadline. That gives a few months for Westbrook to help with team mindset. And flip Aaron Gordon to Indiana for Myles Turner.

It leaves us with a hole at PG though. I have little faith in Fultz.

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[Ruzious]

Wizards 2021 1st round pick, Robin Lopez, Jerome Robinson, and salary filler for Myles Turner at the deadline.

We can get a guy who will turn 25 in March that can rim protect and shoot threes that's locked up on a reasonable contract for another 3 years *without* losing Thomas Bryant.

I don't know that we could expect to get a player with our first round pick that's likely to be better than Myles. I think it turns our center rotation from relatively putrid to suddenly one of the better center rotations in the league.

The only reason I could see hesitation from the Pacers is if they fear the significant impact it would have on their season, but taking a step back this season for a larger reward as early as next year would be smart.

That's not much of a return for Indiana....

I was thinking just the opposite. I wouldn't give a lottery pick next year for Turner.

Like I said, I don't think either team would do that trade.

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Would you trade westbrook for Gordon and fultz and ross? in orlando doubt orlando would.

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The value is fine, but two problems:
1) Westbrook is about to provide a huge influx of talent/production along with culture. Dont belittle the latter. The dude wanted out of Houston because their was no accountability and lackadaisical attitude.
We NEED Russ for at least a year to help steer the ship in the right direction. Tommy said this 2 years ago and has been beating the drum ever since. This sport requires young, usually spoiled, men to live on the road in a highly competitive and fast moving environment. We need men like Russ and Beal to help set this organization on the right path in regards to how you spend your time, take care of your body, and prepare to compete every other day.

2) While the value is right, Gordon would immediately push Rui & Deni to the bench with their redundant skill set (I think Gordon and Deni are A LOT a like from that ballhandling/playmaking standpoint). Unless they look like trash, I would just assume we move Gordon to a third team for a pick.

Do the trade at the deadline. That gives a few months for Westbrook to help with team mindset. And flip Aaron Gordon to Indiana for Myles Turner.

It leaves us with a hole at PG though. I have little faith in Fultz.

That's not a trade I would do. I don't like Aaron Gordon or Ross at all. Or Fultz for that matter. Plus, I don't want to add their contracts. Or do anything that reduces our roster flexibility.

[nate33]

The value is fine, but two problems:
1) Westbrook is about to provide a huge influx of talent/production along with culture. Dont belittle the latter. The dude wanted out of Houston because their was no accountability and lackadaisical attitude.
We NEED Russ for at least a year to help steer the ship in the right direction. Tommy said this 2 years ago and has been beating the drum ever since. This sport requires young, usually spoiled, men to live on the road in a highly competitive and fast moving environment. We need men like Russ and Beal to help set this organization on the right path in regards to how you spend your time, take care of your body, and prepare to compete every other day.

2) While the value is right, Gordon would immediately push Rui & Deni to the bench with their redundant skill set (I think Gordon and Deni are A LOT a like from that ballhandling/playmaking standpoint). Unless they look like trash, I would just assume we move Gordon to a third team for a pick.

Do the trade at the deadline. That gives a few months for Westbrook to help with team mindset. And flip Aaron Gordon to Indiana for Myles Turner.

It leaves us with a hole at PG though. I have little faith in Fultz.

That's not a trade I would do. I don't like Aaron Gordon or Ross at all. Or Fultz for that matter. Plus, I don't want to add their contracts. Or do anything that reduces our roster flexibility.

To be fair, we are trading away Westbrook. That will increase our roster flexibility.

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I see what you mean. But, we come away with 3 guaranteed contracts in place of 1.

& they are guys who really don't produce at all that high a level.

Another way to look at it: if Westbrook doesn't return to form, we won't be able to make an advantageous trade. If he does... why trade him?

[DCZards]

I see what you mean. But, we come away with 3 guaranteed contracts in place of 1.

& they are guys who really don't produce at all that high a level.

Another way to look at it: if Westbrook doesn't return to form, we won't be able to make an advantageous trade. If he does... why trade him?

Yeah...got to ask that question. Why make plans to trade Russ at the deadline, especially if he's playing well, gelling with Beal and helping to raise the level of play of his teammates? I don't think BB would be happy with a trade in that situation.

I think this is probably Beal's and Russ's team...at least for the next couple of seasons.

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Well... I guess the trading thing gets its own momentum, & once a trade happens the thing you think of naturally is... the next trade!

But, when a guy like Westbrook arrives, there's a jolt of excitement, that's for sure. Especially, I guess, because John was on the sidelines for so long, so that in regard of what we'll see on the basketball court night in night out, the trade feels like adding a presence rather than exchanging one presence for another.

& not just a presence, but an unquestionably powerful one. He's put a kind of charge in the air, if you know what I mean! It's natural to really want to see what that's going to be like.

This whole thing has been kind of a big human drama. Ok, maybe a little too much like a soap opera! -- -- but it gets you going, gets you looking at things with a different kind of interest. I'm really looking forward to what we're going to be experiencing as Wizards fans this season!

[Silvie Lysandra]

Since we were talking about Rui and Myles Turner in separate threads, why not do this:

Wizards trade:

Hachimura
Smith
Robinson
Wagner
Pasecniks



Pacers trade
Turner
TJ McConnell

I feel like Indy says no unless we either throw in Bryant or a 1st though. But Turner would be an amazing fit for our team - having Westbrook and Brown really dilutes the impact of Turner's poor rebounding.

[WallToWall]

Now with Westbrook on the team, Ben Simmons would make for a very complementary piece. He could play small ball point center, cover up a lot of defensive lapses, rebound, and get a lot of put back points. Surrounded by a bunch of 3 point shooters (Beal, Bertans, Hach, etc), Simmons will have space in the paint, and his court vision would help generate some good scoring options. He can also run up and down the court with pretty well, and thats something we will need given the very up-tempo Westbrook, and Beal. If only there were a way to get Simmons...

[dckingsfan]

Since we were talking about Rui and Myles Turner in separate threads, why not do this:

Wizards trade:

Hachimura
Smith
Robinson
Wagner
Pasecniks

Pacers trade
Turner
TJ McConnell

I feel like Indy says no unless we either throw in Bryant or a 1st though. But Turner would be an amazing fit for our team - having Westbrook and Brown really dilutes the impact of Turner's poor rebounding.

I don't think that trade works under the cap, does it?

[Silvie Lysandra]

ESPN and here says it works but not sure if there's anything its missing.

[dckingsfan]

ESPN and here says it works but not sure if there's anything its missing.

Hmmm, I tried that and it failed but Indy does have trade exemption worth 2.8M, so I guess it would work? Or does that trade exemption in this case need to be on the Wizards side?

[Silvie Lysandra]

Nvm, the one I tried on ESPN was without TJ coming back. Which is fine, it frees up more minutes for Troy.

Rotation would be something like:

PG: Westbrook/Brown/Winston
SG: Beal/Brown
SF: Bonga/Avija
PF: Bertrans/Bonga/Bryant/Gill
C: Turner/Bryant

[dckingsfan]

Nvm, the one I tried on ESPN was without TJ coming back. Which is fine, it frees up more minutes for Troy.

Okay, last question. Why does Indy do this trade again? Okay one more question, since Turner played all of his minutes at C, doesn't that give us quite the logjam?