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Re: Cavs 2020-21 season 

Post#21 » by Stillwater » Fri Dec 4, 2020 11:09 pm

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Let me say this, the Cavs wouldn't be the first team to cover for a player with friendly leaks like this. But if I'm wrong, and despite watching the Cavs get run out of the gym four out of five games for two months straight while team chemistry designated before their eyes, the Cavs told Sexton to keep doing what he was doing, then I'm ever more fearful of this organization's ability to develop players the correct way.

I honestly chalk it up to both and more factors really tugging from many sides where Beilein pretty much lost the vets from day 1 tried to instill his plans with Sexton and DG who were trying to buy in but most were more in tune with Gottlieb etc all the young players were prioritized by the front office and most of the struggles with the team that was basically divided by the prioritizing of playing DG before he was ready and having to rely heavily on Sexton to score because of DGs struggles were not based on doing or not doing what anyone was told and more likely just a bunch of disorganized crap. JBB cleans this up imo but there is no chance we dont see the priority remaining the young core this season just hopefully there is a better chemistry and more defined roles.


And maybe this is the fundamental disconnect. I just don't see giving young guys unlimited and unconditional minutes as starters, while you're losing badly and to the overall detriment of the team, as *good* development. I also don't think front offices should worry about draft position when making a decision about starting. That's the sign of an insecure organization more worried about the perception of whether they missed, than an indication that they're bringing a player along in a way that's best for the player and the organization.

Yep I think maybe if they had hired a more proven nba coach like JBB it would have been indicative of a internal plan to slowly grow the youth while still playing a vet heavy starting 5 trying to win but they had to retain the pick etc imo it was obvious they were on full tank again when they hired Beilein and in retrospect when they drafted DG but with Beilein being a rookie head coach and one that predominantly utilized multiple guard line ups at M it was even more a given they were buying into some small guard starting line up experiment which clearly appears to be what they planned on sticking with to some degree given it lasted all season and now after drafting a 2-3 defensive prospect that can defend the other teams best player 1-4 and help take the pressure off when both smaller guards are sharing the court, there is no strong indicator it will end the experiment of the two ball dominant guards sharing the court... even though it goes without saying they would be instantly better defensively if only one of them was out there its no guarantee it will make them force a separation if they are both trying on defense as opposed to taking off plays esp if the offense is better this season for it
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Re: Cavs 2020-21 season 

Post#22 » by JonFromVA » Sat Dec 5, 2020 2:33 am

Player development is a tricky business and I have no doubt that in some cases it's perfectly fine to throw minutes at young players and try to play to their strengths. Each player has their own rate of development, and as long as you feel they're improving ... you're probably on the right path. I get the impression as much as fans enjoy the potential of young players they lack the patience to let things play out over however many years it might take.

Even with LeBron fans somehow expected to be winning championships by his 3rd year. Crazy expectations.
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Re: Cavs 2020-21 season 

Post#23 » by jbk1234 » Sat Dec 5, 2020 3:32 am

JonFromVA wrote:Player development is a tricky business and I have no doubt that in some cases it's perfectly fine to throw minutes at young players and try to play to their strengths. Each player has their own rate of development, and as long as you feel they're improving ... you're probably on the right path. I get the impression as much as fans enjoy the potential of young players they lack the patience to let things play out over however many years it might take.

Even with LeBron fans somehow expected to be winning championships by his 3rd year. Crazy expectations.
Again, it doesn't bother me that different players take longer to develop. What bothers me is not taking that into account before starting them and/or playing them big minutes based solely on where they were drafted.

I don't see teams like the Spurs, Celtics, and/or Heat doing that with the guys they draft in the lottery. When they do decide to start them or play them large minutes, they play them in lineups or rotations that play to their strengths. Maybe they grow beyond that role, maybe they don't, but they seem to get more out of their prospects than the average team that way.

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Re: Cavs 2020-21 season 

Post#24 » by jbk1234 » Sat Dec 5, 2020 3:58 am

Wut?
Read on Twitter
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Re: Cavs 2020-21 season 

Post#25 » by Stillwater » Sat Dec 5, 2020 4:11 am

jbk1234 wrote:Wut?
Read on Twitter
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hate to see what those seats would run somebody lol
I wouldn't go if you gave them too me at this point until the damn vaccine is proven successful.
I sometimes wonder if the average person doesn't even look up the covid data or watch tv or something by
the number of people I still see ignoring PPE its just insane how most wont take it serious until its them thats
in the hospital
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Re: Cavs 2020-21 season 

Post#26 » by jbk1234 » Sat Dec 5, 2020 6:23 am

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jbk1234 wrote:Wut?
Read on Twitter
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hate to see what those seats would run somebody lol
I wouldn't go if you gave them too me at this point until the damn vaccine is proven successful.
I sometimes wonder if the average person doesn't even look up the covid data or watch tv or something by
the number of people I still see ignoring PPE its just insane how most wont take it serious until its them thats
in the hospital
I'm wondering if the Cavs checked with the city, county, and state first or if they're just YOLOing this.

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Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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Re: Cavs 2020-21 season 

Post#27 » by Stillwater » Sat Dec 5, 2020 6:37 am

jbk1234 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:Wut?
Read on Twitter
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hate to see what those seats would run somebody lol
I wouldn't go if you gave them too me at this point until the damn vaccine is proven successful.
I sometimes wonder if the average person doesn't even look up the covid data or watch tv or something by
the number of people I still see ignoring PPE its just insane how most wont take it serious until its them thats
in the hospital
I'm wondering if the Cavs checked with the city, county, and state first or if they're just YOLOing this.

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Yeah i mean living like there is no tomorrow aka getting the most out of life and actually living so careless during a pandemic that you might as well expect there is no tomorrow if not for you but at minimum someone around you is quite different.
300 is nothing do im sure its manageable i bet they are only 6 feet apart though which tbh is not cutting it.
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Re: Cavs 2020-21 season 

Post#28 » by JonFromVA » Sat Dec 5, 2020 6:32 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
JonFromVA wrote:Player development is a tricky business and I have no doubt that in some cases it's perfectly fine to throw minutes at young players and try to play to their strengths. Each player has their own rate of development, and as long as you feel they're improving ... you're probably on the right path. I get the impression as much as fans enjoy the potential of young players they lack the patience to let things play out over however many years it might take.

Even with LeBron fans somehow expected to be winning championships by his 3rd year. Crazy expectations.
Again, it doesn't bother me that different players take longer to develop. What bothers me is not taking that into account before starting them and/or playing them big minutes based solely on where they were drafted.

I don't see teams like the Spurs, Celtics, and/or Heat doing that with the guys they draft in the lottery. When they do decide to start them or play them large minutes, they play them in lineups or rotations that play to their strengths. Maybe they grow beyond that role, maybe they don't, but they seem to get more out of their prospects than the average team that way.


You also haven't seen the Spurs, Celtics, and/or the Heat hard-tank a season with a top-5 pick on the roster.

In general, I do agree with you. I wish the Cavaliers were competently run and competently coached and could bring young players along in a way that lets them contribute and grow at their own speed.

But we're not, and watching Ty Lue win 19 games trotting out lineups with Rodney Hood, George Hill, Cedi, Sam Dekker, and Tristan would had been disgusting. Starting Collin was the right move once Love went down and the season was declared a dumpster fire.

Unfortunately, Sexton's lack of progress at PG necessitated drafting Garland and once again, what was our option? Trot Delly out there who was struggling to stay healthy for 82games? Play Exum who has his own issues running the point, and was obtained as salary filler/future expiring?

There are lots of ways to rebuild a team, but what Altman did isn't completely crazy at least on paper. We have some vets that the rooks are supposed to be able to learn from. In the meantime they got a ton of minutes and our record reflects their progress. If they suck we get better draft position in the lottery.

To do it the Boston, Miami, Spurs way ... you need far more then a gimmick or a process - you need a whole other level of organizational competency and buy-in from top to bottom.
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Re: Cavs 2020-21 season 

Post#29 » by tleikheen » Sat Dec 5, 2020 7:24 pm

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Unfortunately, Sexton's lack of progress at PG necessitated drafting Garland and once again, what was our option?/quote]

Its going to be the biggest issue for the cavs going forward.Drafting Okoro thinking he'll be able to cover for the sieves on defense of Garland and Sexton takes away from his game.Nobody is picking the Cavs to be above the bottom 3 teams in the NBA except maybe the Locked on Cavs guys. I think the cavs will regret not taking Toppin or Avidja who will excel in the offensive leaning NBA.
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Re: Cavs 2020-21 season 

Post#30 » by jbk1234 » Sat Dec 5, 2020 7:43 pm

tleikheen wrote:
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Unfortunately, Sexton's lack of progress at PG necessitated drafting Garland and once again, what was our option?/quote]

Its going to be the biggest issue for the cavs going forward.Drafting Okoro thinking he'll be able to cover for the sieves on defense of Garland and Sexton takes away from his game.Nobody is picking the Cavs to be above the bottom 3 teams in the NBA except maybe the Locked on Cavs guys. I think the cavs will regret not taking Toppin or Avidja who will excel in the offensive leaning NBA.


The consensus around the league is that Sexton will be a very, very good sixth man. I wanted to him give him one more shot at running an offense, but even if he can't, he could still start on a team like the Pelicans or Sixers who have Ball and/or Simmons. Being able to create your own shot and score 20ppg on reasonable efficiency is a real skill.

The Cavs ultimate record will probably depend on how long they stick with starting Garland and Sexton together in the backcourt and how much flexibility Bickerstaff has in that regard. Both Sexton and Garland looked a lot better when they played separately than when they played together last year.

I have no idea why prospects like Toppin, Avidja, or Ball were rated as highly as they were.

Toppin was a four year senior playing against boys and he's not going to be able to bully opposing players in the NBA. His 3 point percentage is very meh. Most teams are looking for either good spacing or good defense out of that position and he possesses neither.

In terms of Ball and Avidja, they're tall for their position, can see over a defenses, and are good passers. But when I read scouting reports that say guys can't shoot OR defend, I don't understand how that player is going in the top 10. You're asking both of them to improve pretty dramatically at the two most important skill sets in the modern NBA.
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Re: Cavs 2020-21 season 

Post#31 » by JonFromVA » Sat Dec 5, 2020 7:50 pm

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Unfortunately, Sexton's lack of progress at PG necessitated drafting Garland and once again, what was our option?/quote]

Its going to be the biggest issue for the cavs going forward.Drafting Okoro thinking he'll be able to cover for the sieves on defense of Garland and Sexton takes away from his game.Nobody is picking the Cavs to be above the bottom 3 teams in the NBA except maybe the Locked on Cavs guys. I think the cavs will regret not taking Toppin or Avidja who will excel in the offensive leaning NBA.


The "plan" they seem to have isn't just adding Okoro, it's adding rim protectors as well, but you don't just snap your fingers and play better defense. Like I've said many times, the Cavs were worst All Time even before Sexton and Garland. So the Cavs have their work cut out for them, but given where they're at both in terms of defense and offense ... progress should be real easy to gauge.

Sexton tends to get lost when off the ball on D, so a simpler system based on funneling the ball handler in to the rim protector approach may benefit him. It could benefit Garland on the ball as well as being strong enough to stay in front of his man wouldn't be a necessity.

Toppin and Avidja have some big question marks. If the goal was go all-in on offense, I would have drafted Aaron Nesmith and tried to get at least 4 x 40% 3pt shooters in the starting lineup and bombs-away.
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Post#32 » by Stillwater » Sat Dec 5, 2020 8:15 pm

I stumbled on an article last night but cant find it right now. It talked about how this years mantra is accountability and JBB has every intention of all players having to fight for minutes as he believes a competitive environment is best for development. I like it.
Maybe then we will actually see a deeper rotation that justifies multiple combos instead of set in stone ones that are easy for opposing defenses to exploit or opposing offenses to game plan for.
If he really employees the method and continues to bench a player when he needs it this org might finally be on track to winning some games.
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Re: Cavs 2020-21 season 

Post#33 » by jbk1234 » Sat Dec 5, 2020 10:22 pm

JonFromVA wrote:
tleikheen wrote:
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Unfortunately, Sexton's lack of progress at PG necessitated drafting Garland and once again, what was our option?/quote]

Its going to be the biggest issue for the cavs going forward.Drafting Okoro thinking he'll be able to cover for the sieves on defense of Garland and Sexton takes away from his game.Nobody is picking the Cavs to be above the bottom 3 teams in the NBA except maybe the Locked on Cavs guys. I think the cavs will regret not taking Toppin or Avidja who will excel in the offensive leaning NBA.


The "plan" they seem to have isn't just adding Okoro, it's adding rim protectors as well, but you don't just snap your fingers and play better defense. Like I've said many times, the Cavs were worst All Time even before Sexton and Garland. So the Cavs have their work cut out for them, but given where they're at both in terms of defense and offense ... progress should be real easy to gauge.

Sexton tends to get lost when off the ball on D, so a simpler system based on funneling the ball handler in to the rim protector approach may benefit him. It could benefit Garland on the ball as well as being strong enough to stay in front of his man wouldn't be a necessity.

Toppin and Avidja have some big question marks. If the goal was go all-in on offense, I would have drafted Aaron Nesmith and tried to get at least 4 x 40% 3pt shooters in the starting lineup and bombs-away.


I'm a little curious as to what your reference point for that assertion is? LBJ's last year before the deadline trades? LBJ's last year after the deadline trades? After LBJ left and with Love out for the most the season on a roster that looked very different?
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Post#34 » by jbk1234 » Sun Dec 6, 2020 2:21 am

Stillwater wrote:I stumbled on an article last night but cant find it right now. It talked about how this years mantra is accountability and JBB has every intention of all players having to fight for minutes as he believes a competitive environment is best for development. I like it.
Maybe then we will actually see a deeper rotation that justifies multiple combos instead of set in stone ones that are easy for opposing defenses to exploit or opposing offenses to game plan for.
If he really employees the method and continues to bench a player when he needs it this org might finally be on track to winning some games.
I liked that too. I question whether Bickerstaff actually has that authority. If so, great.

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Re: Cavs 2020-21 season 

Post#35 » by JonFromVA » Sun Dec 6, 2020 10:51 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
JonFromVA wrote:
tleikheen wrote:


The "plan" they seem to have isn't just adding Okoro, it's adding rim protectors as well, but you don't just snap your fingers and play better defense. Like I've said many times, the Cavs were worst All Time even before Sexton and Garland. So the Cavs have their work cut out for them, but given where they're at both in terms of defense and offense ... progress should be real easy to gauge.

Sexton tends to get lost when off the ball on D, so a simpler system based on funneling the ball handler in to the rim protector approach may benefit him. It could benefit Garland on the ball as well as being strong enough to stay in front of his man wouldn't be a necessity.

Toppin and Avidja have some big question marks. If the goal was go all-in on offense, I would have drafted Aaron Nesmith and tried to get at least 4 x 40% 3pt shooters in the starting lineup and bombs-away.


I'm a little curious as to what your reference point for that assertion is? LBJ's last year before the deadline trades? LBJ's last year after the deadline trades? After LBJ left and with Love out for the most the season on a roster that looked very different?


Pretty much ever since Ty Lue moved in to the big chair and handed the defense to Mike Longabardi, so, half way through 2016. A big part of why we got blown out in the first 2 games of the finals was because they were still trying to run Longo's defensive scheme.

Then with Longo in full control of our defense, we finished 21st, 29th, and 30th. He even managed to set the record for all-time worst defensive rating.

Finally Longo found a solution to our woes, and our defense improved 2 points per100 and dropped to 29th place this past season.

Longo's big idea?

Joining the Wizards and edging us out for worst defense in the league.
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Re: Cavs 2020-21 season 

Post#36 » by JonFromVA » Sun Dec 6, 2020 11:00 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:I stumbled on an article last night but cant find it right now. It talked about how this years mantra is accountability and JBB has every intention of all players having to fight for minutes as he believes a competitive environment is best for development. I like it.
Maybe then we will actually see a deeper rotation that justifies multiple combos instead of set in stone ones that are easy for opposing defenses to exploit or opposing offenses to game plan for.
If he really employees the method and continues to bench a player when he needs it this org might finally be on track to winning some games.
I liked that too. I question whether Bickerstaff actually has that authority. If so, great.


Well, at this point all they're talking about is competition for the SF spot, which he can certainly get away with.

But I guess the issue isn't so much whether players "fight for minutes" but whether he's going to put up with players doing losing things and whether he'll be willing to bench them or replace them in the starting lineup when they keep doing them whether that's Drummond acting like an idiot, or Love sleepwalking on defense, or Sexton/Garland missing an assignment or not running a play correctly, JaVale being JaVale, etc, etc.
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Re: Cavs 2020-21 season 

Post#37 » by Stillwater » Mon Dec 7, 2020 12:18 am

JonFromVA wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:I stumbled on an article last night but cant find it right now. It talked about how this years mantra is accountability and JBB has every intention of all players having to fight for minutes as he believes a competitive environment is best for development. I like it.
Maybe then we will actually see a deeper rotation that justifies multiple combos instead of set in stone ones that are easy for opposing defenses to exploit or opposing offenses to game plan for.
If he really employees the method and continues to bench a player when he needs it this org might finally be on track to winning some games.
I liked that too. I question whether Bickerstaff actually has that authority. If so, great.


Well, at this point all they're talking about is competition for the SF spot, which he can certainly get away with.

But I guess the issue isn't so much whether players "fight for minutes" but whether he's going to put up with players doing losing things and whether he'll be willing to bench them or replace them in the starting lineup when they keep doing them whether that's Drummond acting like an idiot, or Love sleepwalking on defense, or Sexton/Garland missing an assignment or not running a play correctly, JaVale being JaVale, etc, etc.

maybe thats all they meant but it seems pretty clear to me his plan will be utilized across the roster not just one defensive assignment.
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Post#38 » by tleikheen » Mon Dec 7, 2020 1:51 am

The whole Eastern and Central division has gone big at the guards.Almost every guard Sexton will have to guard is 6'5".6'6",6'7" and Sexton is near the worst defender in the League.Okoro can't bail him out,theres to many good SF's he'll have to guard himself.Same with Garland trying to stop the PG's.
Cavs will potentially be playing from behind all season long , the L's following.
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Post#39 » by Stillwater » Mon Dec 7, 2020 2:34 am

tleikheen wrote:The whole Eastern and Central division has gone big at the guards.Almost every guard Sexton will have to guard is 6'5".6'6",6'7" and Sexton is near the worst defender in the League.Okoro can't bail him out,theres to many good SF's he'll have to guard himself.Same with Garland trying to stop the PG's.
Cavs will potentially be playing from behind all season long , the L's following.

yes both smaller guards are bad defenders based on last season and it has already been established on here that they will need to be exceptional offensively to justify the pairing given their struggles but lets not get carried away with other teams line ups I mean both of them came to camp a lot stronger than last season esp Sexton who has good length to defend so its not like head height is that much of a factor if the kid puts the work in. You act like they have no chance of ever defending and in DGs case maybe not beyond other 1 guards since he lacks to athleticism Sexton has to cover for less than optimal head height which should allow him to stay in front of bigger guards etc.
I think the rotations will not only show they have moved on from tanking but moved on from offense only line ups where having the two split up is far more common going forward.
DG has not earned the starting pg position on this roster so there is no reason to keep trolling these boards like Sexton at the 2 is the problem or something esp given until we see what improvements they have made individually as well as what types of line ups are put out there it could be a lot different animal. I mean KPJ Windler and Okoro all are capable of playing off either small guard in any of those combos and all 3 have decent size length and speed to handle 1-3 you can easily assemble line ups to take advantage of bigger slower guards as well as burn past them in Sextons case like he has for 2 seasons. Exum Dotson and Osman are 3 more last time I checked Delly was still on the roster.
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Re: Cavs 2020-21 season 

Post#40 » by jbk1234 » Mon Dec 7, 2020 3:05 am

tleikheen wrote:The whole Eastern and Central division has gone big at the guards.Almost every guard Sexton will have to guard is 6'5".6'6",6'7" and Sexton is near the worst defender in the League.Okoro can't bail him out,theres to many good SF's he'll have to guard himself.Same with Garland trying to stop the PG's.
Cavs will potentially be playing from behind all season long , the L's following.
Again, this is very close to trolling.

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