The Boston Celtics - Losers From Top to Bottom of the Franchise.

[Gomes3PC]

This is a masterpiece

[Jammer]

I have to disagree with the O.P.'s assessment. I strongly believe that the Celtics are BRILLIANTLY managed. Especially ownership.

The departure of injury riddled Gordon Hayward may be a blessing in disguise. The chances of future injuries to his right leg (two ankle sprains in 2 years, plus a calf strain and a knee sprain) may be the tremor before the earthquake (ACL, Achilles). The pin and plate in his left hand after braking his fourth metacarpal for the second time is something that can also be re-injured easily considering all the slapping to dislodge a ball when dribbling, holding the ball or trying to grab a rebound. And the nerve issues in his left foot where he dislocated an ankle and broke a tibia mean that something else is up. Wouldn't want to bet on him playing 30 mpg and 75 games in any season. Don't think that he can flat out beat any of the top defenders any more. He has his big night's against sub-0.500 teams. And Indiana had nothing worthwhile to send back except an overpriced Miles Turner at $18 M per. Taking a $10 M guy for $18 M is just as bad as taking a 25M guy for 34M. The Celtics were extremely smart business wise to let Hayward walk. And with the improvement in Grant Williams play at the end of the season, Doug McDermott may not have been the upgrade at backup PF that the Celtics needed.

Without even considering the repeater tax that some of the 13 teams in the luxury tax will be paying, the Celtics should be receiving a check in the order of $7.6 Million. Factoring in the repeater tax it could be more like 9 Million refund in a down year.

Besides the $27M trade exception generated, the Celtics have the room to bring in other talent without falling into the repeater tax. And if they do go into the tax, it means they brought in a player expected to be a major contributor.

The Celtics have given themselves roster flexibility going forward, and room to absorb significant salary should an opportunity present itself.

There have been three disappointing drafts in 10 years, but I don't think three disappointing drafts in 10 years is reason to go nuclear on the front office. In 2012 Fab Melo was a horrific pick, since he couldn't rebound at Syracuse, how could the 6' 10" Brazilian be expected to rebound in the NBA. But to find Kris Middleton at Texas A & M, well, you'd have to have seen him live more than once. I don't know if the NBA's centralized scouting office tipped any team off about Middleton, although I have long felt that they often seem to route foreign players to a specific destination.

2014 was another whiff, missing Bogdan Bogdanovic, Joe Harris, Nikola Jokic and Spencer Dinwiddie. Again, I'd like to know what the NBA's centralized scouting department told / advised the Celtics if the Celtics inquired about Bogdanovic or Jokic. People assume a team missed these guys, but teams up until a few years ago relied heavily onto the NBA's centralized scouting office to advise on foreign players and really small schools/lessor conference players. But James Young was the go-to guy on a very good Kentucky team, so there were reasons to like him. He had size and athleticism. What he didn't have was a high B-Ball IQ, drive to excel or reliable shot. That's the risk of taking guys who leave after one year.

And in 2016 Yabusele was a mistake when Caris LeVert, Pascal Siakam and Ivica Zubac were available. So, 3 in 10 years. Still got to rate the scouting as "B", good, just not excellent.

But you seem to be forgetting that the Celtics cap management is superlative, and that they don't overpay in trades or contract signings. That's a AA++.

The Celtics seem to understand maintaining chemistry and balance among their players. I'll give them that. That's another A.

My biggest concern is if Stevens is a "Leader." Watching him on the sidelines makes me ponder that I have seen more than one college intramural champion at multiple schools that had better leadership. It's all about having the insight to know what to say, and how to get the points across so that the players and the team respond. There are things that the team didn't do last year that I'm not going to mention again. But the coaching staff needs diligence, insight, the PATIENCE to painstakingly go over points with players until EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS, or "gets it", and responds by doing what has been asked. There is room for improvement with the coaching staff.

But overall I'd give Ownership an A+, the Front Office an A, and the coaching staff a B. But it took a while to realize the coaching staff's shortcomings. The shame is that with all the coaches on the staff, no one seems to be able to get a handle on the shortcomings without the guy at the top designating them as issues to be addressed and dealt with.

[SLCceltic]

Except for Fakers, Warriors Cavs & Heat every other franchise would happily trade their past 17 yrs (DA wyc era) with ours !
....take away bronda and only the Warriors remain on that list. What's more, most franchises, if not all, would happily trade their current roster/roster flexibility for our current roster and flex ...

Speaking of the Ws, they built what they had through the draft. not sure if Jays &Smart will quite measure up to steph klay and dray but DA and Wyc have hardly fallen short of ANYTHING

Minnesota got 8 players for KG and at the time 2 of those were can't miss HS kids ! for a 32 yr old

DA then turned the 32 yr old (at age 36) into JT and JB

Today's NBA, contracts and cap rules are almost impossible to navigate successfully ...
I get that you want to rant but please have SOME measure of objectivity !

[hickfromfrenchlick]

I tried reading and then started scrolling to see how much was left, and then kept scrolling...and scrolling...and scrolling.

A for effort?

[return2glory]

What the hell did I just scroll past?

Greatness.

[return2glory]

Just an amazing post. I read about half of it. Will try to read the rest when I have more time.

You don’t have to agree with everything or most things said, but the effort was amazing. Some of this was funny AF.

Entertaining post to say the least.

[Jammer]

Thought that I'd highlight some of the OP's gems:

As everybody knows, Boston is where anesthesiology started.

"Hey, I am Wyc... Donnie, this is Marky Mark, have you two ever met?"

Austin Ainge.

It took him six years for his four-year degree?

This isn't some stupid kid with a mop under the basket, this is the Director of Player Personnel.

Something very wrong going on, he looks twice the age of his father.

The odds of two from that Utah-based group being numbers 1 and 2 on running a basketball team, 1 in 2,500,000,000,000,000.

Daniel Ainge and his gigantic and tiring and far-reaching search for someone to hire, and then he chooses someone from his own house, that he gave a slinky to for his birthday.

Daniel Ainge had to sit down Austin Ainge and explain how a slinky worked ... frustrating 26th birthday party for Austin Ainge.

Will always remember the highlight of his baseball career.

His last ever game.

Sad because he wasn't playing.

When he did get to play, sad because he was not very good.

Austin Ainge gets a pass for this, "It isn't me, it is my father doing this."

Daniel Ainge gets a pass for this, "It isn't me, it is my idiot son doing this."

You have a player. Tatum, who should be the NBA's best shooting guard.

Now, Coach Steven Brads wants to be best friends with everyone, and delegate, and have no blame fall anywhere.

No Captain.

From 1950 to 2014, Captains. Cousy, Havlicek, Bird, even a year of Dominique as a co-Captain, more than half a century of greatness and winning but little Brad says no.

Do you want to know who is more useless than the coach? Every assistant coach.

"Welcome to Boston, Langford and Edwards". A year later, "Langford and Edwards, please welcome your replacements on the roster".

The Celtics are paying Demetrius Jackson and Guerschon Yabusele to not be Celtics ...

As a player, all Ainge did was complain that the roster had too many guards. Now in charge of the roster, all he does is draft guards.

K.C. Jones was playing Cedric Maxwell at shooting guard, for defense and winning, while Steven Brads has an entire lineup of players on the court shorter than Maxwell.

Once a Charlotte Bobcat, always a Charlotte Bobcat.

Can't defend.

Can't stay healthy.

Can't really pass the ball.

Look through the top 35 for assists per game. Fultz. Sabonis. Bam. Satoransky. Booker. Beal.

At least Teague got on the list, at 29. No Kemba on the list.

42.5% shooting. 4.8 assists per game.

Celtics are paying the little Kemba all that money, and telling everyone they are happy with his production?

Seems like $140 million doesn't buy as much as it used to.

You could go to the second division of the Belgian league and find someone capable of getting 42.5% shooting, 4.8 assists per game and 0.9 steals.

[76ciology]

Hayward was a nobody. Just like how J Brown and M Smart are nobodies. Hayward, at that time, could have said, "I am Gordo from the Utah Jazz." Most people in the world, in the USA, outside of Utah, they would have responded, "Are you a musician? What instrument?"

[Fencer reregistered]

tl;dr:

-- CHL likes players with good tape measure statistics.
-- CHL likes players with good box score statistics.
-- CHL doesn't like uppity Blacks.
-- People in positions of responsibility who disagree with CHL are lazy idiots.

[Spin Move]

I am confused as to how anyone can have that much free time.

[poopship]

The Celtics want to be the Raptors?

The Toronto "basketball team" openly celebrates the necklacing and other torture of the ANC in South Africa. The Mandela family would tell their followers to grab people who did not support the ANC, put a car tire around them, fill it with gasolene and light it on fire. For this, an obscure Canadian "sports team" celebrates them annually.

Why don't you tell us how you really feel

[celticfan42487]

I truly did try to read all of this post and then quit and was even more impressed scrolling down I didn't get close.

Love the vitriol, amazed by the length and pictography.

This is old school Boston fandom. We hate losing so much that we can write a book about how much we hate those employed by the franchise that is losing.

Who **** cares if it's perfectly logical, that's the spirit of Boston pre bandwagoners.

[Celtics_Champs]

I like Cheers too.

[Mansurton]

Ok boomer

[Red2]

Chumley as Austin Ainge is an instant classic. You have to be asleep at the wheel not to question why Austin Ainge still has a job . If he is even 10% responsible for their draft picks he should be fired. And he has a good point about Wyc. For a guy who talks about fireworks and being willing to spend whatever it takes it sure seems that his main concern is not paying the luxury tax. I also agree that after the departures of Al,Kylie and Gordon it’s a fair question to ask why that happened. Is it Brad, is it Danny or was it just money? Brad is going to get a pass this year because we lost Gordon and because we are already in the hole with injuries to walker and Thompson but Brad needs to be held accountable for last year. And I agree 100% regarding our “bench”. We got the guys that were left over after all the other good free agents were signed. I can’t believe the praise being heaped on Thompson but the media. He was washed up in Cleveland and now all of a sudden he;s the second coming. Is he even a center? Teague is another over the hill guy. Is he really better than brad Wanamaker? Brad is bigger and a better defender. He probably shoots the 3 just as well. The only place Teague has an edge is as a playmaker so to me that’s a wash. We are thin at center and power forward and our replacement for Hayward is a rookie who played in 15 games or so in college. I don’t know how anyone thinks we are a title contender this year . We are going to get hammered coming out of the gate and everyone is going to wonder what happened.

[Joshyjess]

I used to do the same kind of thing on papers I would turn in at school. Make them so long (without acutally saying anything worth saying) that you would hope the teacher wouldn't even bother reading it, and just give you a somewhat decent grade.
---of course if she did actually read it - OUCH!!!

[SuperDeluxe]

I used to do the same kind of thing on papers I would turn in at school. Make them so long (without acutally saying anything worth saying) that you would hope the teacher wouldn't even bother reading it, and just give you a somewhat decent grade.
---of course if she did actually read it - OUCH!!!

Back when I was in school, one of my classmates had not studied one lick for a marketing exam. So he decided to answer the questions as long recaps of the previous day's soccer matches. He passed.

[JJHondo17]

I don't know, I've been dormant since March or February. Between Covid and politics, I've lost some of my passion for this. However that "little" diatribe has awoken me from my slumber. Reading between the lines, I would say, if Wyc was willing to bring Kelly Olynyk back as player/coach/GM, he would be forgiven.

[Kalela]

They just gave unneeded Tristan Thompson the right-handed left-handed player who is a Canadian-American $18million when his legs don't even work. Some medical staff they have there.

Is there any truth to this?

[Fencer reregistered]

They just gave unneeded Tristan Thompson the right-handed left-handed player who is a Canadian-American $18million when his legs don't even work. Some medical staff they have there.

Is there any truth to this?

He missed stretches of games in the two seasons before the most recent one with several calf or foot injuries. He played 57 of 65 games in the season just ended.

Of course, he has a hamstring injury now.