Trade Thread (EPISODE VI: Can't we just put EVERYTHING in the TE?)

[xdrta+]

2-4 seed, what? Who the f is beating Steph, Harden and Dray in a 7 game series?

Ok, let me count the teams. The Lakers, the Clippers, probably Portland, maybe the Nuggets, the Bucks, the Nets, maybe the Raptors, plus a few others, without a doubt. Can't imagine why some think Curry, Green, and Harden would be a winning combination.

You think the Raptors are beating a team w/ a DPOY and maybe the 2 greatest scorers in NBA history? LMAO

The Lakers had some trouble with a Heat team missing 2/3 of their best players. What a joke. Curry and Harden alone would run train on this league, much less a motivated Dray. It's like some of y'all forget we won 73 games with Harrison Barnes as our 4th best player.

Living on past glories don't mean much 5 years later.

[Jester_]

Ok, let me count the teams. The Lakers, the Clippers, probably Portland, maybe the Nuggets, the Bucks, the Nets, maybe the Raptors, plus a few others, without a doubt. Can't imagine why some think Curry, Green, and Harden would be a winning combination.

You think the Raptors are beating a team w/ a DPOY and maybe the 2 greatest scorers in NBA history? LMAO

The Lakers had some trouble with a Heat team missing 2/3 of their best players. What a joke. Curry and Harden alone would run train on this league, much less a motivated Dray. It's like some of y'all forget we won 73 games with Harrison Barnes as our 4th best player.

Living on past glories don't mean much 5 years later.

Solid a plus analysis

[xdrta+]

You think the Raptors are beating a team w/ a DPOY and maybe the 2 greatest scorers in NBA history? LMAO

The Lakers had some trouble with a Heat team missing 2/3 of their best players. What a joke. Curry and Harden alone would run train on this league, much less a motivated Dray. It's like some of y'all forget we won 73 games with Harrison Barnes as our 4th best player.

Living on past glories don't mean much 5 years later.

Solid a plus analysis

Thanks, glad you've seen the light.

[ILOVEIT]

What would a "light years" set of moves be for the Warriors.

Anticipating that you will be trading for Giannis so adding Oubre as a trade asset.

Making a call to Houston to see if they would be good with inclusion in three way deal with Bucks.

Trading Oubre + 9MILL INJURY EXCEPTION, Wiseman, next years' Wolves pick for Giannis.

Curry, Wiggins, Giannis, Green, Looney (good enough to go for chip)

Next year
Curry, Klay, Wiggins, Green, Giannis (best team in NBA history)

[ChuckDurn]

What would a "light years" set of moves be for the Warriors.

Anticipating that you will be trading for Giannis so adding Oubre as a trade asset.

Making a call to Houston to see if they would be good with inclusion in three way deal with Bucks.

Trading Oubre + 9MILL INJURY EXCEPTION, Wiseman, next years' Wolves pick for Giannis.

Curry, Wiggins, Giannis, Green, Looney (good enough to go for chip)

Next year
Curry, Klay, Wiggins, Green, Giannis (best team in NBA history)

An exception isn’t a tradeable asset.

It simply means you can absorb a player onto your roster where you ordinarily wouldn’t have salary space available for it.

And no, you can’t “absorb” a portion of a larger salary into it. (I.e. if you have a $9M exception, and you’re $7M short on a trade for a $30M player, you can’t just say “well, I’ll use $7M of the exception”.) To use it, a player’s ENTIRE salary must fit into the exception.

Note: I’m assuming you’ve seen this explained many times before, as long as you’ve been posting on this board...... right?

[Scoots1994]

What would a "light years" set of moves be for the Warriors.

Anticipating that you will be trading for Giannis so adding Oubre as a trade asset.

Making a call to Houston to see if they would be good with inclusion in three way deal with Bucks.

Trading Oubre + 9MILL INJURY EXCEPTION, Wiseman, next years' Wolves pick for Giannis.

Curry, Wiggins, Giannis, Green, Looney (good enough to go for chip)

Next year
Curry, Klay, Wiggins, Green, Giannis (best team in NBA history)

An exception isn’t a tradeable asset.

It simply means you can absorb a player onto your roster where you ordinarily wouldn’t have salary space available for it.

And no, you can’t “absorb” a portion of a larger salary into it. (I.e. if you have a $9M exception, and you’re $7M short on a trade for a $30M player, you can’t just say “well, I’ll use $7M of the exception”.) To use it, a player’s ENTIRE salary must fit into the exception.

Note: I’m assuming you’ve seen this explained many times before, as long as you’ve been posting on this board...... right?

Yeah that "trade the exception" thing seems to really escape people all the time.

There is also the part that the DPE doesn't result in another roster spot, so to use it the Warriors will have to let someone else go. The Warriors are not going to have more than 14 active roster players at any point this year whether they use the DPE or not.

[wco81]

Will they be able to use his salary next season again or it goes away?

Can they trade him during the season or afterwards to use KO's slot?

[ILOVEIT]

What would a "light years" set of moves be for the Warriors.

Anticipating that you will be trading for Giannis so adding Oubre as a trade asset.

Making a call to Houston to see if they would be good with inclusion in three way deal with Bucks.

Trading Oubre + 9MILL INJURY EXCEPTION, Wiseman, next years' Wolves pick for Giannis.

Curry, Wiggins, Giannis, Green, Looney (good enough to go for chip)

Next year
Curry, Klay, Wiggins, Green, Giannis (best team in NBA history)

An exception isn’t a tradeable asset.

It simply means you can absorb a player onto your roster where you ordinarily wouldn’t have salary space available for it.

And no, you can’t “absorb” a portion of a larger salary into it. (I.e. if you have a $9M exception, and you’re $7M short on a trade for a $30M player, you can’t just say “well, I’ll use $7M of the exception”.) To use it, a player’s ENTIRE salary must fit into the exception.

Note: I’m assuming you’ve seen this explained many times before, as long as you’ve been posting on this board...... right?

Yeah that "trade the exception" thing seems to really escape people all the time.

There is also the part that the DPE doesn't result in another roster spot, so to use it the Warriors will have to let someone else go. The Warriors are not going to have more than 14 active roster players at any point this year whether they use the DPE or not.

Thank you....I thought it was different than the TPE.

In that case you would need then to include other salaries to make up the difference. And if you can't then you would have to trade Wiggins instead of Oubre.

Of course this is all not likely....but it would be masterful if Warriors could pull it off.

[ChuckDurn]

An exception isn’t a tradeable asset.

It simply means you can absorb a player onto your roster where you ordinarily wouldn’t have salary space available for it.

And no, you can’t “absorb” a portion of a larger salary into it. (I.e. if you have a $9M exception, and you’re $7M short on a trade for a $30M player, you can’t just say “well, I’ll use $7M of the exception”.) To use it, a player’s ENTIRE salary must fit into the exception.

Note: I’m assuming you’ve seen this explained many times before, as long as you’ve been posting on this board...... right?

Yeah that "trade the exception" thing seems to really escape people all the time.

There is also the part that the DPE doesn't result in another roster spot, so to use it the Warriors will have to let someone else go. The Warriors are not going to have more than 14 active roster players at any point this year whether they use the DPE or not.

Thank you....I thought it was different than the TPE.

In that case you would need then to include other salaries to make up the difference. And if you can't then you would have to trade Wiggins instead of Oubre.

Of course this is all not likely....but it would be masterful if Warriors could pull it off.

In this way, it’s not different than the TPE. A trade exception isn’t traded, and can’t be combined with another asset in order to acquire a contract larger than the TPE’s value. An acquired player’s entire salary must fit into the TPE.

[ChuckDurn]

What would a "light years" set of moves be for the Warriors.

Anticipating that you will be trading for Giannis so adding Oubre as a trade asset.

Making a call to Houston to see if they would be good with inclusion in three way deal with Bucks.

Trading Oubre + 9MILL INJURY EXCEPTION, Wiseman, next years' Wolves pick for Giannis.

Curry, Wiggins, Giannis, Green, Looney (good enough to go for chip)

Next year
Curry, Klay, Wiggins, Green, Giannis (best team in NBA history)

An exception isn’t a tradeable asset.

It simply means you can absorb a player onto your roster where you ordinarily wouldn’t have salary space available for it.

And no, you can’t “absorb” a portion of a larger salary into it. (I.e. if you have a $9M exception, and you’re $7M short on a trade for a $30M player, you can’t just say “well, I’ll use $7M of the exception”.) To use it, a player’s ENTIRE salary must fit into the exception.

Note: I’m assuming you’ve seen this explained many times before, as long as you’ve been posting on this board...... right?

Yeah that "trade the exception" thing seems to really escape people all the time.

There is also the part that the DPE doesn't result in another roster spot, so to use it the Warriors will have to let someone else go. The Warriors are not going to have more than 14 active roster players at any point this year whether they use the DPE or not.

For clarification - are you counting Klay as one of the 14, or not? I assume not.

You’re right, with the total roster size of 15, and Klay occupying 1 of those spots, we’ll only have a “playable” limit of 14 full-time roster spots this year, in addition to the 2-way players for 50 games each. I think from a practical basis, we’ll go into the season with 13 full-time playable guys (+ Klay), leaving 1 spot open for potential addition (presumably via the DPE at the trade deadline or after buyouts occur).

[Scoots1994]

An exception isn’t a tradeable asset.

It simply means you can absorb a player onto your roster where you ordinarily wouldn’t have salary space available for it.

And no, you can’t “absorb” a portion of a larger salary into it. (I.e. if you have a $9M exception, and you’re $7M short on a trade for a $30M player, you can’t just say “well, I’ll use $7M of the exception”.) To use it, a player’s ENTIRE salary must fit into the exception.

Note: I’m assuming you’ve seen this explained many times before, as long as you’ve been posting on this board...... right?

Yeah that "trade the exception" thing seems to really escape people all the time.

There is also the part that the DPE doesn't result in another roster spot, so to use it the Warriors will have to let someone else go. The Warriors are not going to have more than 14 active roster players at any point this year whether they use the DPE or not.

For clarification - are you counting Klay as one of the 14, or not? I assume not.

You’re right, with the total roster size of 15, and Klay occupying 1 of those spots, we’ll only have a “playable” limit of 14 full-time roster spots this year, in addition to the 2-way players for 50 games each. I think from a practical basis, we’ll go into the season with 13 full-time playable guys (+ Klay), leaving 1 spot open for potential addition (presumably via the DPE at the trade deadline or after buyouts occur).

Yeah, 14 ACTIVE roster players. So Klay would be #15 who is not going to be active, I assume, for any games this year.

I wouldn't be surprised if they kept a non-guaranteed player in that 14th spot.

[Phase 3]

Take this fwiw...Yesterday, on a Rockets message board, one of their reliable guys said the Warriors had an offer on the table for Harden. He said it was Wiggins and Wiseman for Harden and Tucker. I’m assuming Tucker would go into the DPE and save the Rockets owner on payroll.

I find it interesting that Monte Poole(a guy who carries water for the Warriors) is out there today saying that the Warriors are no longer interested in Harden. My *guess* is their offer got rejected and they’re leaking in a CYA move to cover themselves with the Warriors players mentioned in the talks.

Edit: After reading Monte Poole’s article where he attacks Harden throughout, it definitely reads like talks are totally dead and now they’re putting forth PR that they were never really interested. It reads like Raymond Ridder helped him write the article lol.

[Scoots1994]

Take this fwiw...Yesterday, on a Rockets message board, one of their reliable guys said the Warriors had an offer on the table for Harden. He said it was Wiggins and Wiseman for Harden and Tucker. I’m assuming Tucker would go into the DPE and save the Rockets owner on payroll.

I find it interesting that Monte Poole(a guy who carries water for the Warriors) is out there today saying that the Warriors are no longer interested in Harden. My *guess* is their offer got rejected and they’re leaking in a CYA move to cover themselves with the Warriors players mentioned in the talks.

Edit: After reading Monte Poole’s article where he attacks Harden throughout, it definitely reads like talks are totally dead and now they’re putting forth PR that they were never really interested. It reads like Raymond Ridder helped him write the article lol.

I have no doubt they contacted the Rockets, and there may have been discussions of what it would take, but I doubt the Warriors left a specific offer on the table.

I don't think they need any CYA on media speculation on what a trade might or might not include.

[Phase 3]

Take this fwiw...Yesterday, on a Rockets message board, one of their reliable guys said the Warriors had an offer on the table for Harden. He said it was Wiggins and Wiseman for Harden and Tucker. I’m assuming Tucker would go into the DPE and save the Rockets owner on payroll.

I find it interesting that Monte Poole(a guy who carries water for the Warriors) is out there today saying that the Warriors are no longer interested in Harden. My *guess* is their offer got rejected and they’re leaking in a CYA move to cover themselves with the Warriors players mentioned in the talks.

Edit: After reading Monte Poole’s article where he attacks Harden throughout, it definitely reads like talks are totally dead and now they’re putting forth PR that they were never really interested. It reads like Raymond Ridder helped him write the article lol.

I have no doubt they contacted the Rockets, and there may have been discussions of what it would take, but I doubt the Warriors left a specific offer on the table.

I don't think they need any CYA on media speculation on what a trade might or might not include.

By CYA, I mean teams always come out after trade talks fall through and pretend they weren’t even that interested. They do it to protect the current players on their team that were tossed around in trade talks.

[Scoots1994]

Take this fwiw...Yesterday, on a Rockets message board, one of their reliable guys said the Warriors had an offer on the table for Harden. He said it was Wiggins and Wiseman for Harden and Tucker. I’m assuming Tucker would go into the DPE and save the Rockets owner on payroll.

I find it interesting that Monte Poole(a guy who carries water for the Warriors) is out there today saying that the Warriors are no longer interested in Harden. My *guess* is their offer got rejected and they’re leaking in a CYA move to cover themselves with the Warriors players mentioned in the talks.

Edit: After reading Monte Poole’s article where he attacks Harden throughout, it definitely reads like talks are totally dead and now they’re putting forth PR that they were never really interested. It reads like Raymond Ridder helped him write the article lol.

I have no doubt they contacted the Rockets, and there may have been discussions of what it would take, but I doubt the Warriors left a specific offer on the table.

I don't think they need any CYA on media speculation on what a trade might or might not include.

By CYA, I mean teams always come out after trade talks fall through and pretend they weren’t even that interested. They do it to protect the current players on their team that were tossed around in trade talks.

Yes and no. A lot of the time the teams don't respond or reference at all things that are pure media speculation/guessing. And the players know it. My friend who worked for a prominent sports agent for a few years said that often a lot of that stuff comes from agents trying to spin relationships for leverage. In Harden's case I have no idea what he and his "agent" are thinking, but I seriously doubt Myers called Houston and said "Wiggins and Wiseman for Harden and Tucker, you have 3 days to agree" That's just not the way things generally go, it's a conversation with give and take.

[Phase 3]

From another source...take it fwiw.

“Golden State has the best offer but it's not as good as it was going to be during the draft. Like not even half as good. Houston f***ed that one up thinking we deserve the moon for Harden. Now they aren't going to get the stars either.”

[Phase 3]

I have no doubt they contacted the Rockets, and there may have been discussions of what it would take, but I doubt the Warriors left a specific offer on the table.

I don't think they need any CYA on media speculation on what a trade might or might not include.

By CYA, I mean teams always come out after trade talks fall through and pretend they weren’t even that interested. They do it to protect the current players on their team that were tossed around in trade talks.

Yes and no. A lot of the time the teams don't respond or reference at all things that are pure media speculation/guessing. And the players know it. My friend who worked for a prominent sports agent for a few years said that often a lot of that stuff comes from agents trying to spin relationships for leverage. In Harden's case I have no idea what he and his "agent" are thinking, but I seriously doubt Myers called Houston and said "Wiggins and Wiseman for Harden and Tucker, you have 3 days to agree" That's just not the way things generally go, it's a conversation with give and take.

Well I never said the Warriors gave Houston a 3 day ultimatum or anything like that...not sure where you got that from? I’m aware it’s an ongoing convo but sometimes a team moves on or gives the “appearance” of moving on as part of a negotiation strategy.

[InWestWeTrust]

From another source...take it fwiw.

“Golden State has the best offer but it's not as good as it was going to be during the draft. Like not even half as good. Houston f***ed that one up thinking we deserve the moon for Harden. Now they aren't going to get the stars either.”

So Looney and Wiggins for Harden? Deal

(Works on trade checkers but salaries dont match?)

[xdrta+]

From another source...take it fwiw.

“Golden State has the best offer but it's not as good as it was going to be during the draft. Like not even half as good. Houston f***ed that one up thinking we deserve the moon for Harden. Now they aren't going to get the stars either.”

So Looney and Wiggins for Harden? Deal

(Works on trade checkers but salaries dont match?)

It works because the Warriors can take back 125% of the salary they send out. Sending out Wiggins and Looney means they can take back $42.9M, which is enough to cover Harden's salary. Personally, I still wouldn't do it.

[Phase 3]

From another source...take it fwiw.

“Golden State has the best offer but it's not as good as it was going to be during the draft. Like not even half as good. Houston f***ed that one up thinking we deserve the moon for Harden. Now they aren't going to get the stars either.”

So Looney and Wiggins for Harden? Deal

(Works on trade checkers but salaries dont match?)

So, the Houston guy seems to say that Wiggins and Wiseman was the Warriors offer...

The other guy, who’s not with Houston, says the Warriors aren’t offering any of their core 3 or Wiseman. He’s saying it’s Wiggins, young guys, plus a bunch of picks/swaps(I’m assuming the Minny pick would be one of those). The Warriors aren’t getting any elite player via trade without including Wiseman and the Minny pick though...Those are the only 2 high value assets outside of Curry/Klay/Dray. The rest of the roster has very little, if any, value around the league.

If I had to *guess* I think Harden winds up with the Clippers, Sixers, or Boston.