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Post#701 » by Marcus » Wed Dec 9, 2020 7:00 am

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MotownMadness wrote: You almost forget Johnson is out there aside from defense



Johnson might want to re-invent himself into the Bam mold.


No K needs to realize he is misusing the crap out of him on the offensive end. Jalen is damn good with the ball in his hands and running the offense. He has basically been a point forward his entire high school career. No clue why K has decided to negate that skill completely.


So Jalen might take off next level when utilized correctly if he can keep his tude in check
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Post#702 » by Duke4life831 » Wed Dec 9, 2020 7:27 am

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Johnson might want to re-invent himself into the Bam mold.


No K needs to realize he is misusing the crap out of him on the offensive end. Jalen is damn good with the ball in his hands and running the offense. He has basically been a point forward his entire high school career. No clue why K has decided to negate that skill completely.


So Jalen might take off next level when utilized correctly if he can keep his rude in check

If nothing changes offensively I think many will be surprised what he could do on the offensive end. My big thing is what kind of potential does he have as a 4/5 defender.

Forgive the lazy comparison because its a very loose one. But you plug him in a Draymond role say in Atlanta. Now obviously Im not expecting him to be the same level defender as Draymond. But put him in a fast paced offense as your 4, have him have the ball in his hands a good amount but in a simplistic way where he can have lanes to kick out to multiple shooters. I think he can be a more offensive-oriented Draymond. That playmaking 4 that can slide over and play the small ball 5 in certain lineups.

To me that is the ideal scenario for him.
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Post#703 » by Marcus » Wed Dec 9, 2020 7:32 am

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No K needs to realize he is misusing the crap out of him on the offensive end. Jalen is damn good with the ball in his hands and running the offense. He has basically been a point forward his entire high school career. No clue why K has decided to negate that skill completely.


So Jalen might take off next level when utilized correctly if he can keep his rude in check

If nothing changes offensively I think many will be surprised what he could do on the offensive end. My big thing is what kind of potential does he have as a 4/5 defender.

Forgive the lazy comparison because its a very loose one. But you plug him in a Draymond role say in Atlanta. Now obviously Im not expecting him to be the same level defender as Draymond. But put him in a fast paced offense as your 4, have him have the ball in his hands a good amount but in a simplistic way where he can have lanes to kick out to multiple shooters. I think he can be a more offensive-oriented Draymond. That playmaking 4 that can slide over and play the small ball 5 in certain lineups.

To me that is the ideal scenario for him.


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Post#704 » by Marcus » Wed Dec 9, 2020 7:43 am

So between IMO the top two kids in Cade and Mobley we have high floor just know how to play basketball guys, three Jalens that fit today's game perfectly in different ways, guys like Garuba, Barnes, and Moody that are crucial to winning rings, and still more than enough projects with some day one ability that can be developed into more scattered throughout the draft. It's looking real nice folks.
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Post#705 » by Duke4life831 » Wed Dec 9, 2020 7:50 am

Marcus wrote:So between IMO the top two kids in Cade and Mobley we have high floor just know how to play basketball guys, three Jalens that fit today's game perfectly in different ways, guys like Garuba, Barnes, and Moody that are crucial to winning rings, and still more than enough projects with some day one ability that can be developed into more scattered throughout the draft. It's looking real nice folks.

Dont be sleeping on my guy Kuminga. If the G League ever gets going I think he is going to open up some eyes.
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Post#706 » by Marcus » Wed Dec 9, 2020 7:55 am

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Marcus wrote:So between IMO the top two kids in Cade and Mobley we have high floor just know how to play basketball guys, three Jalens that fit today's game perfectly in different ways, guys like Garuba, Barnes, and Moody that are crucial to winning rings, and still more than enough projects with some day one ability that can be developed into more scattered throughout the draft. It's looking real nice folks.

Dont be sleeping on my guy Kuminga. If the G League ever gets going I think he is going to open up some eyes.


Not sleeping at all good sir. He fits in that projects with day one ability for me. Out the gate he's a multy position defender, athletic as all hell, with a developing offensive skillset that could put him into elite two way convo if nurished correctly. He could end up being the kid that wears the Kawhi comp this year.
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Post#707 » by No-Man » Wed Dec 9, 2020 3:26 pm

ThunderBolt wrote:On his podcast Vecenie said he was wondering if Zaire Williams isn't 100% healthy. He mentioned wearing a knee brace and feeling like he wasn't seeing a lot of the movement he had seen from Williams in the past.

He clearly isn't

Also Garuba has always been able to drive, pass on the move and attack, just hasn't gotten the green light to do that, or has he been used that way

His issue is more with timidness-game speed on offense
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Post#708 » by No-Man » Wed Dec 9, 2020 3:34 pm

Marcus wrote:So between IMO the top two kids in Cade and Mobley we have high floor just know how to play basketball guys, three Jalens that fit today's game perfectly in different ways, guys like Garuba, Barnes, and Moody that are crucial to winning rings, and still more than enough projects with some day one ability that can be developed into more scattered throughout the draft. It's looking real nice folks.

I still think Suggs' upside is clearly higher than Mobley's
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Post#709 » by shakes0 » Wed Dec 9, 2020 4:24 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:I wish K still coached. This Duke team has zero identity, it looks like a team of a random 5 dudes and just rolling the ball out and having them play. You wouldve never known from watching Jalen Johnson now that he was known for his passing. K basically is just playing him like a standard 4 and thats it.



That was K's strategy in the 2000 title game loss to UCONN and it hasn't changed since.

Most overrated coach in sports history IMO.
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Post#710 » by namlede » Wed Dec 9, 2020 4:48 pm

How will we judge Green and Kuminga in the gleague? For instance a guy like Lu Dort has multiple 30 point games and averaged 20 ppg in that league.

I think it could hurt their stock quite a bit, especially if they don't play many games...

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Post#711 » by Marcus » Wed Dec 9, 2020 4:53 pm

namlede wrote:How will we judge Green and Kuminga in the gleague? For instance a guy like Lu Dort has multiple 30 point games and averaged 20 ppg in that league.

I think it could hurt their stock quite a bit, especially if they don't play many games...

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Think those two are pretty solidified with the scouts and so far the reviews have been great in terms of progress and work ethic. Nix and Todd might be different but sounds like Nix is killing it as well.
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Post#712 » by clyde21 » Wed Dec 9, 2020 5:08 pm

namlede wrote:How will we judge Green and Kuminga in the gleague? For instance a guy like Lu Dort has multiple 30 point games and averaged 20 ppg in that league.

I think it could hurt their stock quite a bit, especially if they don't play many games...

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same way u judge them playing college?
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Post#713 » by ThunderBolt » Wed Dec 9, 2020 6:21 pm

What are the chances the season ends early? Coach K spoke out, questioning if it should continue. I imagine if more coaches follow suit, things could change. I also wonder if he would have spoken out if his team had won.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/30483429/coach-mike-krzyzewski-questions-playing-games-pandemic
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Post#714 » by Duke4life831 » Wed Dec 9, 2020 6:46 pm

ThunderBolt wrote:What are the chances the season ends early? Coach K spoke out, questioning if it should continue. I imagine if more coaches follow suit, things could change. I also wonder if he would have spoken out if his team had won.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/30483429/coach-mike-krzyzewski-questions-playing-games-pandemic

I'm fairly certain if this was the Zion team he wouldn't have said this. I mean it was only a couple months ago where K was saying that we can't go 2 years without having March Madness.

In all honesty watching these Duke games so far, it looks like K doesn't even want to be there anymore. It looks like he just doesn't care with this team.
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Post#715 » by The-Power » Wed Dec 9, 2020 8:13 pm


Love this sequence at 1:18 minute. From the initial drive, to the difficult pass to the corner, the re-location and the readiness to fire.
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Post#716 » by clyde21 » Wed Dec 9, 2020 9:33 pm

ThunderBolt wrote:What are the chances the season ends early? Coach K spoke out, questioning if it should continue. I imagine if more coaches follow suit, things could change. I also wonder if he would have spoken out if his team had won.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/30483429/coach-mike-krzyzewski-questions-playing-games-pandemic


it's dumb af, vaccine is pretty much out at this point, if coach K wants to stay home and hide he can.
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Post#717 » by AshyLarrysDiaper » Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:56 am

Scottie Barnes with the runner to win the game in OT. He’s as fearless as he is limited as a scorer.
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Post#718 » by Chi town » Thu Dec 10, 2020 3:30 am

Fischella wrote:
Marcus wrote:So between IMO the top two kids in Cade and Mobley we have high floor just know how to play basketball guys, three Jalens that fit today's game perfectly in different ways, guys like Garuba, Barnes, and Moody that are crucial to winning rings, and still more than enough projects with some day one ability that can be developed into more scattered throughout the draft. It's looking real nice folks.

I still think Suggs' upside is clearly higher than Mobley's


Me too. A big can no longer be your franchise player. AD needed Lebron. Even Jokic is really secondary to Murray in playoff pressure when you need a shot.

I like Mobley a lot as a JJJ type but even then he will only be your 2nd best on Ayer if you are going to do anything. Not even 1b.

I take Suggs Cade Green and Kuminga over Mobley.
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Post#719 » by doordoor123 » Thu Dec 10, 2020 4:31 am

David Duke is really good. Like Lottery pick good. He’s one of the most athletic players in the draft.
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Post#720 » by Sea2003 » Thu Dec 10, 2020 4:34 am

Chi town wrote:
Fischella wrote:
Marcus wrote:So between IMO the top two kids in Cade and Mobley we have high floor just know how to play basketball guys, three Jalens that fit today's game perfectly in different ways, guys like Garuba, Barnes, and Moody that are crucial to winning rings, and still more than enough projects with some day one ability that can be developed into more scattered throughout the draft. It's looking real nice folks.

I still think Suggs' upside is clearly higher than Mobley's


Me too. A big can no longer be your franchise player. AD needed Lebron. Even Jokic is really secondary to Murray in playoff pressure when you need a shot.

I like Mobley a lot as a JJJ type but even then he will only be your 2nd best on Ayer if you are going to do anything. Not even 1b.

I take Suggs Cade Green and Kuminga over Mobley.


What makes you think Suggs has a higher upside? He's been playing in a perfect system designed towards him. Would he still play the same in a system like OK state? Mobley has been excellent for USC so far. He already has an excellent jump shot for a 7-footer, high IQ, and elite defensive potential.

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