Kirk Hinrich

homersimpson · Post #1 » by **homersimpson** » Thu Dec 10, 2020 11:08 am

Was reading the thread about Joakim Noah on how Bulls should sign him one day contract and have a Noah night like Deng.( which I totally agree and think he worth it)
Just wondering what about Kirk? I don’t remember Bulls did a Hinrich night or something like that, and while he seems to be Paxson’s favorite son, he’s nowhere to be found after he retired. ( at least I never heard people mention anything about Bulls offered him any kind of front office role at all)
I had fond memory about him, like how he seem nerdy, slim, weak, but play really really tough and gave players like wade trouble. ( to certain degree) But seems like people remember more about how he couldn’t score and wasn’t really that great of a pg.
Anyway, does anyone know what he’s doing? Can he thrive in today’s league?
I’d said he’ll be at least the second best player on the Bulls right now, might be the best considering defense. What do you think?

stepic · Post #2 » by **stepic** » Thu Dec 10, 2020 11:34 am

unfortunately part of me sees him as the guy we ended up with because we didn't do a trade to move up and get Wade like we could and obviously should have.

Post #3 » by **coldfish** » Thu Dec 10, 2020 11:37 am

Not sure if serious.

We know that Hinrich is coming up on 40 years old, right? Is this a hypothetical where a 23 year old Hinrich was put on this team?

homersimpson · Post #4 » by **homersimpson** » Thu Dec 10, 2020 11:47 am

Yeah sorry a 23 years old Kirk rather than 40

Post #5 » by **dougthonus** » Thu Dec 10, 2020 12:39 pm

Hinrich would be a low rung starter in today's game at his peak, probably similar to what he was in his career at his peak outside of his one good year. He doesn't really take anything off the table, good shooter, pedestrian passer as a PG but probably pretty good as a combo guard, decent ball handler, good defender, just not really great at anything and not an initiator. If you plugged him on a team with a couple stars though, he'd be a really good 4th or 5th starter IMO.

sco · Post #6 » by **sco** » Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:02 pm

IIRC, Kirk was a tenacious defender when he came into the league, but his defense was muted when they tightened the hand checking rules. He was never a great play maker - we routinely bashed him for dribbling the air out of the ball for 15 seconds and passing to the guy next to him. He improved in this regard later in his career and developed a 3 pt shot.

Nevertheless, I miss him. Loved his grit.

Clint Eastwood · Post #7 » by **Clint Eastwood** » Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:14 pm

Clint Eastwood

Post #8 » by **Michael Jackson** » Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:08 pm

I sat next to Hinrich's wife (so hot) and parents in 06 at the Miami playoff series. The guys behind them were season ticket holders and would not stop heckling Kirk the whole game. To this day I still cringe for his parents (his wife well then GF was getting ito it with them and feeding the trolls)

As far as what he is doing now I think he is a HS coach somewhere.

Post #9 » by **DuckIII** » Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:16 pm

dougthonus wrote:Hinrich would be a low rung starter in today's game at his peak, probably similar to what he was in his career at his peak outside of his one good year. He doesn't really take anything off the table, good shooter, pedestrian passer as a PG but probably pretty good as a combo guard, decent ball handler, good defender, just not really great at anything and not an initiator. If you plugged him on a team with a couple stars though, he'd be a really good 4th or 5th starter IMO.

All accurate except he legitimately excelled as a defender. For a stretch he might have been the best defender at his position in the entire NBA. Certainly one of the best.

Interestingly this team could sure use a guy like him as a 6th man.

Post #10 » by **Michael Jackson** » Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:30 pm

DuckIII wrote:
dougthonus wrote:Hinrich would be a low rung starter in today's game at his peak, probably similar to what he was in his career at his peak outside of his one good year. He doesn't really take anything off the table, good shooter, pedestrian passer as a PG but probably pretty good as a combo guard, decent ball handler, good defender, just not really great at anything and not an initiator. If you plugged him on a team with a couple stars though, he'd be a really good 4th or 5th starter IMO.

All accurate except he legitimately excelled as a defender. For a stretch he might have been the best defender at his position in the entire NBA. Certainly one of the best.

Interestingly this team could sure use a guy like him as a 6th man.

in theory that is what Dunn could have become. Dunn just never got "decent" enough on offense.

Post #11 » by **DuckIII** » Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:36 pm

I had such high hopes for Dunn coming out of college, MJ. Definitely one of the bigger disappointments among the players I valued highly early in their career.

2018C3 · Post #12 » by **2018C3** » Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:40 pm

I absolutely hatred the Kirk pick at the time. I never thought I would end up liking it, but came around. He definitely played a key part in turning the team around.

What might be forgotten, Is it was Derrick Rose who helped recruit him back to the team for his second run with the team.
https://www.si.com/si-wire/2012/10/02/derrick-rose-kirk-hinrich-recruit-bulls-reunite

I look back on Kirk with appreciation, and have nothing bad to say about his time here.

Post #13 » by **dougthonus** » Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:44 pm

DuckIII wrote:All accurate except he legitimately excelled as a defender. For a stretch he might have been the best defender at his position in the entire NBA. Certainly one of the best.

Interestingly this team could sure use a guy like him as a 6th man.

I don't think he was ever elite on defense. He was a good defender, strong fundamentally, maybe pesky at times, but he wasn't disruptive and wasn't a shut down guy.

Dieselbound&Down · Post #14 » by **Dieselbound&Down** » Thu Dec 10, 2020 3:07 pm

stepic wrote:unfortunately part of me sees him as the guy we ended up with because we didn't do a trade to move up and get Wade like we could and obviously should have.

No Jay Williams injury and no Hinrich. They would have had more pieces and maybe ambition to move up.

Post #15 » by **Michael Jackson** » Thu Dec 10, 2020 3:16 pm

Dieselbound&Down wrote:
stepic wrote:unfortunately part of me sees him as the guy we ended up with because we didn't do a trade to move up and get Wade like we could and obviously should have.

No Jay Williams injury and no Hinrich. They would have had more pieces and maybe ambition to move up.

Meh I never believed Donyell Marshall was what the Raptors wanted or was the actual hold up. It makes no sense, Even with not knowing that Wade would become Wade. Its just the simple logic was that Marshall was easily replaceable and everyone knew who he was at that point, that he wouldn't have been a holdup. I mean it would be similar to saying we are not trading Thad Young to move up. I will say this though it is a lot of fun to believe it is true and give another reason to hate Pax, yet me personally I just don't buy it. Who knows though, Pax wont tell us nor will Toronto.

Jvaughn · Post #16 » by **Jvaughn** » Thu Dec 10, 2020 3:44 pm

2018C3 wrote:
Spoiler:

I absolutely hatred the Kirk pick at the time. I never thought I would end up liking it, but came around. He definitely played a key part in turning the team around.

What might be forgotten, Is it was Derrick Rose who helped recruit him back to the team for his second run with the team.
https://www.si.com/si-wire/2012/10/02/derrick-rose-kirk-hinrich-recruit-bulls-reunite

I look back on Kirk with appreciation, and have nothing bad to say about his time here.

Oh I remember that. It was after Rose got all that flack for refusing to recruit at a time when that's how teams were being put together, and then he decides he was going to try, and actively go after Kirk freaking Hinrich. Yeah, I was pretty heated at the time.

MrSparkle · Post #17 » by **MrSparkle** » Thu Dec 10, 2020 4:39 pm

I think it's time we started talking about retiring Adrian Griffin's #44.

KirkHinrich · Post #18 » by **KirkHinrich** » Thu Dec 10, 2020 5:03 pm

I think you should do the 12 days of Kirk.

TheStig · Post #19 » by **TheStig** » Thu Dec 10, 2020 5:15 pm

homersimpson wrote:Yeah sorry a 23 years old Kirk rather than 40

Pax are you reminiscing about the good old days?

nitetrain8603 · Post #20 » by **nitetrain8603** » Thu Dec 10, 2020 7:27 pm

Michael Jackson wrote:
Dieselbound&Down wrote:
stepic wrote:unfortunately part of me sees him as the guy we ended up with because we didn't do a trade to move up and get Wade like we could and obviously should have.

No Jay Williams injury and no Hinrich. They would have had more pieces and maybe ambition to move up.

Meh I never believed Donyell Marshall was what the Raptors wanted or was the actual hold up. It makes no sense, Even with not knowing that Wade would become Wade. Its just the simple logic was that Marshall was easily replaceable and everyone knew who he was at that point, that he wouldn't have been a holdup. I mean it would be similar to saying we are not trading Thad Young to move up. I will say this though it is a lot of fun to believe it is true and give another reason to hate Pax, yet me personally I just don't buy it. Who knows though, Pax wont tell us nor will Toronto.

I can tell you with 100% certainty, Marshall was the hold up. 100%, not 98.