2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2

[Ell Curry]

Riddle me this,

Why did we decide to go with Bembry of RHJ?

I assume like last season with Stanley, Ujiri and Co. think they fix the jumper for an intriguing if flawed kind of wing and then you've got a nice 8th man and have 5 shooters out there at all times, and since Bembry can handle it you can run Van Vleet and Lowry and Powell off screens and let him handle it a bit. Same deal Len. If he can consistently hit a 3 like he did for a bit 2 years ago and the Atlanta hype suggested then you've got a decent backup centre in matchups where he can drop on pick and rolls or try to guard big bodies for 15 minutes of useful high energy play.

[OAKLEY_2]

Riddle me this,

Why did we decide to go with Bembry of RHJ?

I honestly don't know much about Bembry. RHJ though, his offense needs a lot of work. He was basically unplayable in the playoffs. So maybe switch it up and try something different. Perhaps opening more play time for Stanley and McCaw?

Bembry is 27 per cent from three career. RHJ is 21 per cent. They are both identical in field goal percentage at .448 over their careers. I think being a non shooter on a Nurse team guarantees a one year stay unless you are McCaw or Stanley and got a multi year deal of 3-4 mil per. McCaw and Stanley are awful shooters. McCaw parks his shot and Stanley's loves the rim and backboard bounce. McCaw doesn't want to look desperate to establish his shot and Stanley rushes everything. We all know McCaw has a green light but thinks better of getting greedy. For him that's an attribute.

[RodyTur10]

Celtics fan here. Maybe this specific idea has already been mentioned (I'm not going to read 100+ pages ), but to me the Raptors seem like a logical destination for James Harden. You have the depth, culture and experience. What you lack is a go-to-scorer and elite shot creator and Harden is exactly that. To me Pascal Siakam has become a bit overrated and his contract may not be great, so he's out i.m.o. The second guy I'd include would hurt: Fred VanVleet.

With Harden incoming, obviously one of Lowry/VanVleet becomes redundant. VanVleet has the most trade value and while he's a very good player, he's also at his ceiling I think. Lowry with his defense is a better cover for Harden. By including VanVleet you can limit adding future first rounders. So when the Lowry/Harden - Raptors 'era'-end, you can immediately rebuild with your own picks. You need to give up some to get a great player like Harden and another chance at a championship.

To Toronto: Harden, Gordon, Tucker
To Houston: Siakam, VanVleet, McCaw, Johnson, 2022 1st

start: Lowry/Harden/Powell/Anunoby/Baynes
rotation: Gordon/Davis/Tucker/Boucher
deep bench: Flynn/Thomas/Len

Would you do this? (at February 22nd, when VanVleet becomes eligible for trades)

Hoping to avoid a Toronto vs Boston discussion: I don't think a trade by the Celtics for Harden makes sense because of our very inexperienced bench (lots of rookies and sophomores)

[fbalmeida]

VanVleet can't be traded until February because we just re-signed him, so it's a moot trade.

But no, Siakam + stuff for Harden wouldn't make sense at all.

Fred, OG, and Siakam are all arriving on their peak years and we have a max slot to add a certain someone to them in 2021 Free Agency.

Bundling Siakam for Harden would leave us essentially with Boucher as our starting PF, would immediately threaten a fantastic team chemistry that was painstakingly built over the years, and rob us of the max slot for 2021. We'd have Lowry, Harden, Powell (because OG would certainly be included in the trade), Boucher, Baynes, and zero cap space to work with.

Hard pass.

[fbalmeida]

Conversely, I think Harden makes a lot of sense for Boston. Kemba + stuff for Harden. Trading a bad knee for a star who wants to win now.

Harden / Teague
Smart
Brown / Nesmith
Tatum
Theis/Tristan

[tecumseh18]

Conversely, I think Harden makes a lot of sense for Boston. Kemba + stuff for Harden. Trading a bad knee for a star who wants to win now.

Harden / Teague
Smart
Brown / Nesmith
Tatum
Theis/Tristan

Injured Kemba has limited value right now, especially in a trade for one of the top scorers of all time. There is no way Harden goes to the Cs without at least Brown - plus a bunch of other stuff - going the other way.

But how many extra draft picks do the Cs have left? They seemed a lot more valuable a few years ago. It will be funny if the Nets win a championship before the Celtics do again.

[tecumseh18]

Celtics fan here. Maybe this specific idea has already been mentioned (I'm not going to read 100+ pages ), but to me the Raptors seem like a logical destination for James Harden. You have the depth, culture and experience. What you lack is a go-to-scorer and elite shot creator and Harden is exactly that. To me Pascal Siakam has become a bit overrated and his contract may not be great, so he's out i.m.o. The second guy I'd include would hurt: Fred VanVleet.

With Harden incoming, obviously one of Lowry/VanVleet becomes redundant. VanVleet has the most trade value and while he's a very good player, he's also at his ceiling I think. Lowry with his defense is a better cover for Harden. By including VanVleet you can limit adding future first rounders. So when the Lowry/Harden - Raptors 'era'-end, you can immediately rebuild with your own picks. You need to give up some to get a great player like Harden and another chance at a championship.

To Toronto: Harden, Gordon, Tucker
To Houston: Siakam, VanVleet, McCaw, Johnson, 2022 1st

start: Lowry/Harden/Powell/Anunoby/Baynes
rotation: Gordon/Davis/Tucker/Boucher
deep bench: Flynn/Thomas/Len

Would you do this? (at February 22nd, when VanVleet becomes eligible for trades)

Hoping to avoid a Toronto vs Boston discussion: I don't think a trade by the Celtics for Harden makes sense because of our very inexperienced bench (lots of rookies and sophomores)

I understand why you think Pascal is overrated. That series wasn't exactly a showcase for him. But he's MUCH better than that. In the first half of last season, even Bill Simmons ranked him about Tatum. The lockdown and the bubble just destroyed his rhythm.

So except in a trade for a top forward - e.g. Giannis - Pascal is untouchable. Trading Pascal for Harden would completely unbalance the team. OG, Norm and Lowry would be the guys going out in a trade for Harden (and Tucker).

[bballsparkin]

I do that trade. I think Siakam is going to be a valuable piece moving forward and his contract should be fine. Talented players, especially those who play defense get paid. Trading FVV could be bad dynamics. I don't know what kind of negotiations took place. But this is Harden so, yeah Fred gets traded. It is a pretty decent return for Houston assuming they want to win now. I read they have a short window to tank. I think only 2022 & 23.

Assuming Wall makes a semblance of a comeback, I like the pairing FVV and Wall. Add Siakam and that's a fun team. Depends on how much faith you have in Pascal though. Not to mention Wall. Houston likely wants more picks. That's when I get leery. I like FRPs.

If the Raptors traded for Harden while only giving up one FRP in 2022. Sign me up. Lowry, Harden, OG, that's a nice trio. Try to win one more championship with Lowry. And then in the off-season the Raptors have the option of retaining or trading Harden. Nets would still be interested. Houston would like that but with NN I'm thinking Raptors fight for the playoffs regardless.

I'm not a fan of Harden's game. But I think I might be if he played with Kyle.

[bballsparkin]

Bembry is 27 per cent from three career. RHJ is 21 per cent. They are both identical in field goal percentage at .448 over their careers. I think being a non shooter on a Nurse team guarantees a one year stay unless you are McCaw or Stanley and got a multi year deal of 3-4 mil per. McCaw and Stanley are awful shooters. McCaw parks his shot and Stanley's loves the rim and backboard bounce. McCaw doesn't want to look desperate to establish his shot and Stanley rushes everything. We all know McCaw has a green light but thinks better of getting greedy. For him that's an attribute.

Does Bembry have any mid range game? I imagine unlikely. Agree that being a nonshooting player is a one year stay with NN. I wouldn't say McCaw is an awful shooter. Compared to the others we are discussing he is not bad. Although saying he parks his shot seems about right. I like that he doesn't take advantage of the green light but there were times I thought he should have shot. Feet set, behind the line, shoot!

[RodyTur10]

Conversely, I think Harden makes a lot of sense for Boston. Kemba + stuff for Harden. Trading a bad knee for a star who wants to win now.

Harden / Teague
Smart
Brown / Nesmith
Tatum
Theis/Tristan

Kemba + stuff (as long as it aren't 5 first rounders or something like that I'd do) is most likely not enough for the Rockets and rightfully so. The Rockets will want at least one building piece, if that's either for example: Simmons, Siakam or Brown.
I think it would cost the Celtics Brown + Smart which would crush our defense and depth.

To me the Raptors can easilier cope with losing some depth, but I doubt the Rockets have much interest in 34 year old Lowry.
This rotation below looks really strong to me.

start: Lowry/Harden/Powell/Anunoby/Baynes
rotation: Gordon/Davis/Tucker/Boucher
deep bench: Flynn/Thomas/Len

[fbalmeida]

But the Rockets would likely demand OG as well as Siakam. Siakam and OG was the opening price on Kawhi as an expiring. Masai muscled it down to DeRozan, Poeltl, and a 1st. That would leave us without one of the best wing stoppers in the league, and vulnerable to a quick playoff exit.

A lot of talk about trading Simmons, but I think Morey would be far more inclined to trade Embiid, and play Simmons as his center.

[Psubs]

Conversely, I think Harden makes a lot of sense for Boston. Kemba + stuff for Harden. Trading a bad knee for a star who wants to win now.

Harden / Teague
Smart
Brown / Nesmith
Tatum
Theis/Tristan

Kemba + stuff (as long as it aren't 5 first rounders or something like that I'd do) is most likely not enough for the Rockets and rightfully so. The Rockets will want at least one building piece, if that's either for example: Simmons, Siakam or Brown.
I think it would cost the Celtics Brown + Smart which would crush our defense and depth.

To me the Raptors can easilier cope with losing some depth, but I doubt the Rockets have much interest in 34 year old Lowry.
This rotation below looks really strong to me.

start: Lowry/Harden/Powell/Anunoby/Baynes
rotation: Gordon/Davis/Tucker/Boucher
deep bench: Flynn/Thomas/Len

It may not be 5 - 1st rounders but worse instead the young players.

Kemba, Pritchard, Nesmith, Robert Williams and 2-3 1st picks.

Smart / Teague / Edwards
Harden / Brown / Edwards
Brown / Tatum / Ojeleye
Tatum / Theis / GWilliams
Theis / Tristan / Yabusele

[bluerap23]

Celtics fan here. Maybe this specific idea has already been mentioned (I'm not going to read 100+ pages ), but to me the Raptors seem like a logical destination for James Harden. You have the depth, culture and experience. What you lack is a go-to-scorer and elite shot creator and Harden is exactly that. To me Pascal Siakam has become a bit overrated and his contract may not be great, so he's out i.m.o. The second guy I'd include would hurt: Fred VanVleet.

With Harden incoming, obviously one of Lowry/VanVleet becomes redundant. VanVleet has the most trade value and while he's a very good player, he's also at his ceiling I think. Lowry with his defense is a better cover for Harden. By including VanVleet you can limit adding future first rounders. So when the Lowry/Harden - Raptors 'era'-end, you can immediately rebuild with your own picks. You need to give up some to get a great player like Harden and another chance at a championship.

To Toronto: Harden, Gordon, Tucker
To Houston: Siakam, VanVleet, McCaw, Johnson, 2022 1st

start: Lowry/Harden/Powell/Anunoby/Baynes
rotation: Gordon/Davis/Tucker/Boucher
deep bench: Flynn/Thomas/Len

Would you do this? (at February 22nd, when VanVleet becomes eligible for trades)

Hoping to avoid a Toronto vs Boston discussion: I don't think a trade by the Celtics for Harden makes sense because of our very inexperienced bench (lots of rookies and sophomores)

Personally I would not give up Pascal in a Harden trade. The main reason is that Harden is about to start declining. I think he has 2 great years left and without Pascal we won’t compete this year. Masai would figure out a way to compete next season but too much has to break right. Remember he was only willing to give up DeMar for Kawhi.

I actually think there is a good Boston trade for Harden. If you could trade Kemba, Brown and 1-2 picks for Harden and Gordon would you do it? Not sure it is enough for Houston. I love Brown and think he could be great as a number 1. Houston would have to feel the same. They would also want to have some faith in Kemba’s health as they will likely want to flip him to another team.

This deal would make Boston a championship favourite.

[bluerap23]

To Toronto: Harden, Tucker
To Philly: Lowry
To Houston: OG, Powell, Davis, Tobias, 3 first and 2 2nd picks (2 firsts and 1 second from Toronto and 1 first and 1 second from Philly)

Who says no and why?

[Asif16]

I think the CLippers make the most sense for Kyle Lowry in a 3-way trade if we were to land Harden

[Raptors_128]

There have been 2 superstars requesting trades to **** Milwaukee just because of Giannis.

I’m telling you if we get a star like Harden or Giannis other stars will flock to Toronto.

[Asif16]

*Long shot but Works in the Trade Checker*

Toronto Gets: James Harden + Pj Tucker
LA Clippers get: Kyle Lowry
Houston Gets: Norman Powell, Lou Williams, Patrick Peverly, Ivica Zubac, Terence Davis, Tor 2021 FIrst, Right to swap 2022 TOR First.

Starting Lineups:

Fred VanVleet
James Harden
OG Anunoby
Pascal Siakam
Aron Baynes

Kyle Lowry
Paul George
Kawhi Leonard
Marcus Morris Sr.
Serge Ibaka

John Wall
Eric Gordon
Norman Powell
Eddie House JR.
Christian Wood

[tecumseh18]

To Toronto: Harden, Tucker
To Philly: Lowry
To Houston: OG, Powell, Davis, Tobias, 3 first and 2 2nd picks (2 firsts and 1 second from Toronto and 1 first and 1 second from Philly)

Who says no and why?

Houston. Why would they take one of the worst contracts in the league (Harris) for one of the best players?

Sixers: Why help a division rival win a championship?

[LBJKB24MJ23]

*Long shot but Works in the Trade Checker*

Toronto Gets: James Harden + Pj Tucker
LA Clippers get: Kyle Lowry
Houston Gets: Norman Powell, Lou Williams, Patrick Peverly, Ivica Zubac, Terence Davis, Tor 2021 FIrst, Right to swap 2022 TOR First.

Starting Lineups:

Fred VanVleet
James Harden
OG Anunoby
Pascal Siakam
Aron Baynes

Kyle Lowry
Paul George
Kawhi Leonard
Marcus Morris Sr.
Serge Ibaka

John Wall
Eric Gordon
Norman Powell
Eddie House JR.
Christian Wood

so basically Toronto trades Lowry, Powell, Davis, 1FRP and 1FRP swap for Harden and PJ Tucker. where do I sign up?

Harden has requested to be only be traded to certain teams too, so i don't know if Houston would play nice or if Harden would report to Toronto? (i know that would be a bitch move but it has happened to us and Harden seems like a guy who is a huge diva)

[StopitLeo]

To Toronto: Harden, Tucker
To Philly: Lowry
To Houston: OG, Powell, Davis, Tobias, 3 first and 2 2nd picks (2 firsts and 1 second from Toronto and 1 first and 1 second from Philly)

Who says no and why?

Houston. They can't have the best player coming back being....who is even the best of those guys? The picks don't make up for the talent disparity between Harden and what they get in return.

I think it would have to be more like this (add picks as necessary to round it out):

To Toronto: Harden
To Philadelphia: Lowry + Powell
To Houston: Simmons + Thybulle

For Houston, the talent exchange is more fair with getting Simmons for Harden.

People might question it from Philly's side thinking Simmons is much better than Lowry. However, Lowry played at an All-Star level last year and while he's obviously older he brings leadership and experience winning to a team that lacks both. Kyle should be able to bring out the best in Embiid.