Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions

[BucksFanSD]

Ultimately, I think push comes to shove and Philly puts Simmons on the table and that gets it done. He's young, locked up long-term, and already an All-NBA caliber player. If he's offered, you take it and run IMO and start building around Simmons.

The counter argument for that is that Houston could lean for the 50/40/90 all star and the promising jack of all trades young SG in DDV and have both for 4+ years. Simmons is talented but nothing like Harden and teams may simply value shooting as they see it equating to winning basketball. To a lesser degree they may look at their current roster post-Harden and like the fit of what MKE has to offer. If they want to compete now then that very likely will be a consideration.

[machu46]

Ultimately, I think push comes to shove and Philly puts Simmons on the table and that gets it done. He's young, locked up long-term, and already an All-NBA caliber player. If he's offered, you take it and run IMO and start building around Simmons.

The counter argument for that is that Houston could lean for the 50/40/90 all star and promising jack of all trades young SG in DDV and have both for 4+ years. Simmons is talented but nothing like Harden and teams may simply value shooting as they see it equating to winning basketball. To a lesser degree they may look at their current roster post-Harden and like the fit of what MKE has to offer. If they want to compete now then that very likely will be a consideration.

It isn't impossible but I'd be extremely shocked if anyone valued Middleton and Donte over Simmons as a building block, particularly a team that essentially has no other building block right now.

[Fresh_Prince12]

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[DrWood]

I think we see how this team looks for the first few months and then consider moving Middleton at the deadline for someone who becomes available like Beal. I really think this team has improved. We will be really good if DDV takes a step forward on offense. I've been confused by DJ Wilson since he was drafted but could imagine him having a bigger role this season

since Middleton is a better basketball player than Beal, that would be stupid.

You must unlearn what you have learned.

We can always count on you for Middleton hate.
Consistency is often a good trait, unless it's based on error.

[FlagsFlyForever]

No one thought Derozan would land Leonard. Crazier things have happened.

Kawhi was a one year rental. Harden has to have a lot more value.

[DrWood]

Do they really have to adapt that much? Considering "the defensive wall" against Giannis in the playoffs, at that point, half court basketball belongs to Harden.

Giannis plays out of his mind for the 1st 3 quarters, fast breaks, rebounds, steals defense, and of course he would get his fair share of ISO. But when it comes down to the 4th in the playoffs, give it to Harden.

I think they actually compliment each other very well.

Harden doesn't have to be Harden for 4 quarters and can cruise until the 4th when we may need him most.

Both Giannis and Harden would have to adapt their play to each other but there is no way it couldn’t work. Think about the gravity Giannis and Harden both pull, they’d create such space even i could get my shot off for the Bucks.

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Harden's been a 6th man before. Just make the first substitution at 2-4 minutes in.

[SupremeHustle]

Look at this nice spin move by Jrue.

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[DrWood]

Houston seems to want to compete if I am not mistaken and I am high on Middleton and DDV, and not so high on Simmons, LeVert and some of those other guys in terms of perceived value.. There's only four teams on his list, so that needs to be taken into consideration. Also, those team's 1st rounders will likely be late firsts.

It's not necessarily "would" as it is "could".

I think the real crazy part is there's a lot of people on here that wouldn't trade Middleton, Lopez, and DDV with no first rounders for Harden.

Harden is a locker room cancer and one of the laziest players in the league. His defense is atrocious. He stops the ball and chucks away. Numbers are inflated from the D'antoni offense. We'd have to score 120/game to win because our defense would drop dramatically. Giannis would almost certainly leave, title or not.

they scored 118.7 last year. I think Harden would increase it by more than 1.3 points a game. Harden's mpg and usage would go down; he could expend some energy on defense.

[DrWood]

D'Antoni enabled Harden to becoming unwatchable Harden the past few seasons, but he's been one of the best players in the league since before he started chucking up 13 threes a game.

In bud's system he'd still be chucking up 12 3s a game, but would be doing it earlier in the shot clock.

[thonnisbeastley]

I think the real crazy part is there's a lot of people on here that wouldn't trade Middleton, Lopez, and DDV with no first rounders for Harden.

Harden is a locker room cancer and one of the laziest players in the league. His defense is atrocious. He stops the ball and chucks away. Numbers are inflated from the D'antoni offense. We'd have to score 120/game to win because our defense would drop dramatically. Giannis would almost certainly leave, title or not.

Harden's defense being atrocious is such a fallacy.

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[DrWood]

Simmons is a guy you can build around if you look at him as a poor-man's Giannis. You just need to pair him with a legitimate #1 offensive threat. I'd have fun pairing him with Harden. So if I were the 76ers, I'd look to move Embiid instead of Simmons.

[thonnisbeastley]

I think the real crazy part is there's a lot of people on here that wouldn't trade Middleton, Lopez, and DDV with no first rounders for Harden.

Harden is a locker room cancer and one of the laziest players in the league. His defense is atrocious. He stops the ball and chucks away. Numbers are inflated from the D'antoni offense. We'd have to score 120/game to win because our defense would drop dramatically. Giannis would almost certainly leave, title or not.

they scored 118.7 last year. I think Harden would increase it by more than 1.3 points a game. Harden's mpg and usage would go down; he could expend some energy on defense.

I think their offensive efficiency would drop quite a bit and their defensive rating would plummet. Harden may have a TS% over 60 but that's only because he shoots 12FT a game. Harden/Portis vs. Middleton/Brook on the defensive side of the ball is a huge drop. Not sure how much Harden would be willing to change his game. He couldn't with Paul. Couldn't with Russ. He is who he is.

[DrWood]

Harden is a locker room cancer and one of the laziest players in the league. His defense is atrocious. He stops the ball and chucks away. Numbers are inflated from the D'antoni offense. We'd have to score 120/game to win because our defense would drop dramatically. Giannis would almost certainly leave, title or not.

they scored 118.7 last year. I think Harden would increase it by more than 1.3 points a game. Harden's mpg and usage would go down; he could expend some energy on defense.

I think their offensive efficiency would drop quite a bit and their defensive rating would plummet. Harden may have a TS% over 60 but that's only because he shoots 12FT a game. Harden/Portis vs. Middleton/Brook on the defensive side of the ball is a huge drop. Not sure how much Harden would be willing to change his game. He couldn't with Paul. Couldn't with Russ. He is who he is.

so you think that if bud said, I think you should shoot your 3 earlier in the shot clock, Harden wouldn't be all over that? The team's offensive efficiency would be higher than ever. They'd have 2 of the top 3 players in the league as far as getting defensive attention.
Giannis might play half the game at 5. If they traded Brook, they'd obviously need at least a rotation piece at 4/5.

[Matches Malone]

Is the game gonna be on tv anywhere?

FSWI should have it... I hope.

[DrWood]

has anyone run a Harden trade that works on the trade checker? I ran a few but they were all declined.

[MickeyDavis]

Is the game gonna be on tv anywhere?

FSWI should have it... I hope.

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[Gianstoppable]

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has anyone run a Harden trade that works on the trade checker? I ran a few but they were all declined.

Middleton and Lopez plus filler would work doesn't it? Giannis would have to play the 5 and that might not be a bad thing at this point force him to develop a post game

[raferfenix]

How would Wall and Simmons play together?

It’d be rational to be dispassionate about the short term when trading for a long term foundational piece.

But the Rockets are likely stuck paying wall $40 million for years to come.

Fertitta trading Harden for someone who is a bad fit with an expense of that magnitude would come into play given what we know about him.

[DrWood]

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has anyone run a Harden trade that works on the trade checker? I ran a few but they were all declined.

Middleton and Lopez plus filler would work doesn't it? Giannis would have to play the 5 and that might not be a bad thing at this point force him to develop a post game

harden for Middleton and Lopez would work. I don't think there could be much filler either way without blocking the trade. I guess that could work if Houston just wants to be competitive for a few more years (assuming wall can play), but they'd be pretty disappointed with that haul.

[machu46]

How would Wall and Simmons play together?

It’d be rational to be dispassionate about the short term when trading for a long term foundational piece.

But the Rockets are likely stuck paying wall $40 million for years to come.

Fertitta trading Harden for someone who is a bad fit with an expense of that magnitude would come into play given what we know about him.

If the Rockets care how their franchise centerpiece plays with a guy that hasn’t played in years, they’re already screwed.


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