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[theFireBlanket]

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has anyone run a Harden trade that works on the trade checker? I ran a few but they were all declined.

Middleton and Lopez plus filler would work doesn't it? Giannis would have to play the 5 and that might not be a bad thing at this point force him to develop a post game

harden for Middleton and Lopez would work. I don't think there could be much filler either way without blocking the trade. I guess that could work if Houston just wants to be competitive for a few more years (assuming wall can play), but they'd be pretty disappointed with that haul.

If Wall is back to form & focused on winning, they'd mess around & end up contending.

Khris is heavily underrated as far as I'm concerned. Lopez/Cousins is a hell of a front court as long as DeMarcus isn't getting into the trouble he has been.

[DrWood]

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has anyone run a Harden trade that works on the trade checker? I ran a few but they were all declined.

Middleton and Lopez plus filler would work doesn't it? Giannis would have to play the 5 and that might not be a bad thing at this point force him to develop a post game

harden for Middleton and Lopez would work. I don't think there could be much filler either way without blocking the trade. I guess that could work if Houston just wants to be competitive for a few more years (assuming wall can play), but they'd be pretty disappointed with that haul.

bucks could add DJ Wilson to that and it would still work. Not sure Houston would look at that as an improvement.
or they could add Donte, which would be more favorable for Houston, but a 3 starters for 1 trade means we'd be looking for scrap heap players to be significant role players.
or they could add Donte and Merrill in a 4 for 1 trade. That might be getting close if the bucks have a first they can ship. I don't know if that is a possibility (they can only trade picks within 7 years and not in successive years).

[yannisk]

I was checking Rockets roster, we had this Wood guy. He was young, good scorer, probably we could have signed him for really cheap. We just waived him, not even an offer. He is not an all star or something but is he worse than Thon or DJ Wilson that we were so happy to offer contracts

[mke_design]

uhm...where the **** is brook?

[thonnisbeastley]

they scored 118.7 last year. I think Harden would increase it by more than 1.3 points a game. Harden's mpg and usage would go down; he could expend some energy on defense.

I think their offensive efficiency would drop quite a bit and their defensive rating would plummet. Harden may have a TS% over 60 but that's only because he shoots 12FT a game. Harden/Portis vs. Middleton/Brook on the defensive side of the ball is a huge drop. Not sure how much Harden would be willing to change his game. He couldn't with Paul. Couldn't with Russ. He is who he is.

so you think that if bud said, I think you should shoot your 3 earlier in the shot clock, Harden wouldn't be all over that? The team's offensive efficiency would be higher than ever. They'd have 2 of the top 3 players in the league as far as getting defensive attention.
Giannis might play half the game at 5. If they traded Brook, they'd obviously need at least a rotation piece at 4/5.

The team's efficiency won't be higher from Harden jacking up more misguided shots than he's used to, if that's possible. Middleton is more efficient than Harden. Harden's efficiency is skewed by his FT attempts. Brook is more efficient than Portis. When you have Harden taking away touches from Giannis and playing hero ball, you're bound to have the same issues that HOU has had over the last few years, while alienating and minimizing the impact of the back to back MVP winner. The Bucks have been the best regular season team the last two years because they play together. Harden had Paul/Westbrook and both of them couldn't stand playing with him.

[Profound23]

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Middleton and Lopez plus filler would work doesn't it? Giannis would have to play the 5 and that might not be a bad thing at this point force him to develop a post game

harden for Middleton and Lopez would work. I don't think there could be much filler either way without blocking the trade. I guess that could work if Houston just wants to be competitive for a few more years (assuming wall can play), but they'd be pretty disappointed with that haul.

If Wall is back to form & focused on winning, they'd mess around & end up contending.

Khris is heavily underrated as far as I'm concerned. Lopez/Cousins is a hell of a front court as long as DeMarcus isn't getting into the trouble he has been.

Let's get the Rockets to believe in this theory please.

[FrieAaron]

uhm...where the **** is brook?

He's been around, they posted some interview with him on social media.

[giannis and 1]

Another Harden trade...

Bucks trade: Middleton, Brook, DDV, Nwora, Merrill, Augustin, Wilson, 5 future 2nd round picks
Bucks get: Harden, Theis, Gordon

Celtics trade: Theis, 2022 1st
Celtics get: Brook, 2023 2nd from Bucks

Rockets trade: Harden, Gordon
Rockets get: Middleton, DDV, Nwora, Merrill, Augustin, Wilson, 2022 1st from celtics, 4 future 2nds from Bucks

This is basically the max we can offer for Harden without giving up Giannis or Jrue.

Theis/Patton/Montgomery
Portis/Craig/Diakite
Giannis/Connaughton
Harden/Forbes/Stauskas
Jrue/Gordon/Adams/Mason

Our depth would be pretty bad though.

[buckboy]

I think their offensive efficiency would drop quite a bit and their defensive rating would plummet. Harden may have a TS% over 60 but that's only because he shoots 12FT a game. Harden/Portis vs. Middleton/Brook on the defensive side of the ball is a huge drop. Not sure how much Harden would be willing to change his game. He couldn't with Paul. Couldn't with Russ. He is who he is.

so you think that if bud said, I think you should shoot your 3 earlier in the shot clock, Harden wouldn't be all over that? The team's offensive efficiency would be higher than ever. They'd have 2 of the top 3 players in the league as far as getting defensive attention.
Giannis might play half the game at 5. If they traded Brook, they'd obviously need at least a rotation piece at 4/5.

The team's efficiency won't be higher from Harden jacking up more misguided shots than he's used to, if that's possible. Middleton is more efficient than Harden. Harden's efficiency is skewed by his FT attempts. Brook is more efficient than Portis. When you have Harden taking away touches from Giannis and playing hero ball, you're bound to have the same issues that HOU has had over the last few years, while alienating and minimizing the impact of the back to back MVP winner. The Bucks have been the best regular season team the last two years because they play together. Harden had Paul/Westbrook and both of them couldn't stand playing with him.

Man, I thought I hated Harden.

I love how his efficiency is skewed by his FT attempts.

What the hell does that even mean?

[theFireBlanket]

Man, I thought I hated Harden.

I love how his efficiency is skewed by his FT attempts.

What the hell does that even mean?

Our luck would be Bucks trade for Harden & refs stop putting him on the line.

[SupremeHustle]

Looking forward to seeing Portis tomorrow. Maybe it's just plain hope, but I think he's going to really help.

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[thonnisbeastley]

so you think that if bud said, I think you should shoot your 3 earlier in the shot clock, Harden wouldn't be all over that? The team's offensive efficiency would be higher than ever. They'd have 2 of the top 3 players in the league as far as getting defensive attention.
Giannis might play half the game at 5. If they traded Brook, they'd obviously need at least a rotation piece at 4/5.

The team's efficiency won't be higher from Harden jacking up more misguided shots than he's used to, if that's possible. Middleton is more efficient than Harden. Harden's efficiency is skewed by his FT attempts. Brook is more efficient than Portis. When you have Harden taking away touches from Giannis and playing hero ball, you're bound to have the same issues that HOU has had over the last few years, while alienating and minimizing the impact of the back to back MVP winner. The Bucks have been the best regular season team the last two years because they play together. Harden had Paul/Westbrook and both of them couldn't stand playing with him.

Man, I thought I hated Harden.

I love how his efficiency is skewed by his FT attempts.

What the hell does that even mean?

It means he shot 44%FG, 35%3P, 86%FT with a 62%TS last season. Per Game - 22-FGA, 12-3PA, 12-FTA
Middleton shot 50%FG, 41%3P, 91%FT with a 62%TS last season. Per Game - 15-FGA, 6-3PA, 4-FTA

Same TS%, even with Harden bricking 8 three pointers a game.

[tydett]

Looking forward to seeing Portis tomorrow. Maybe it's just plain hope, but I think he's going to really help.

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Death, taxes, Donte fouling 3 point shooters, and $16 million Patty C jumping past pump fakes.

[buckboy]

The team's efficiency won't be higher from Harden jacking up more misguided shots than he's used to, if that's possible. Middleton is more efficient than Harden. Harden's efficiency is skewed by his FT attempts. Brook is more efficient than Portis. When you have Harden taking away touches from Giannis and playing hero ball, you're bound to have the same issues that HOU has had over the last few years, while alienating and minimizing the impact of the back to back MVP winner. The Bucks have been the best regular season team the last two years because they play together. Harden had Paul/Westbrook and both of them couldn't stand playing with him.

Man, I thought I hated Harden.

I love how his efficiency is skewed by his FT attempts.

What the hell does that even mean?

It means he shot 44%FG, 35%3P, 86%FT with a 62%TS last season. Per Game - 22-FGA, 12-3PA, 12-FTA
Middleton shot 50%FG, 41%3P, 91%FT with a 62%TS last season. Per Game - 15-FGA, 6-3PA, 4-FTA

Same TS%, even with Harden bricking 8 three pointers a game.

Who cares though. I would argue that that is a much more reliable way to get to that ts number. The free throw percentage is never going to change much unlike Khris' 3 pt percentage, which can fluctuate significantly year to year.

Whatever. I can't stand Harden, so I'm done arguing for him. Makes me feel dirty.

[Jkam31]

so you think that if bud said, I think you should shoot your 3 earlier in the shot clock, Harden wouldn't be all over that? The team's offensive efficiency would be higher than ever. They'd have 2 of the top 3 players in the league as far as getting defensive attention.
Giannis might play half the game at 5. If they traded Brook, they'd obviously need at least a rotation piece at 4/5.

The team's efficiency won't be higher from Harden jacking up more misguided shots than he's used to, if that's possible. Middleton is more efficient than Harden. Harden's efficiency is skewed by his FT attempts. Brook is more efficient than Portis. When you have Harden taking away touches from Giannis and playing hero ball, you're bound to have the same issues that HOU has had over the last few years, while alienating and minimizing the impact of the back to back MVP winner. The Bucks have been the best regular season team the last two years because they play together. Harden had Paul/Westbrook and both of them couldn't stand playing with him.

Man, I thought I hated Harden.

I love how his efficiency is skewed by his FT attempts.

What the hell does that even mean?

He’s picking Middleton over harden I read that and o was floored

[DrWood]

The team's efficiency won't be higher from Harden jacking up more misguided shots than he's used to, if that's possible. Middleton is more efficient than Harden. Harden's efficiency is skewed by his FT attempts. Brook is more efficient than Portis. When you have Harden taking away touches from Giannis and playing hero ball, you're bound to have the same issues that HOU has had over the last few years, while alienating and minimizing the impact of the back to back MVP winner. The Bucks have been the best regular season team the last two years because they play together. Harden had Paul/Westbrook and both of them couldn't stand playing with him.

Man, I thought I hated Harden.

I love how his efficiency is skewed by his FT attempts.

What the hell does that even mean?

It means he shot 44%FG, 35%3P, 86%FT with a 62%TS last season. Per Game - 22-FGA, 12-3PA, 12-FTA
Middleton shot 50%FG, 41%3P, 91%FT with a 62%TS last season. Per Game - 15-FGA, 6-3PA, 4-FTA

Same TS%, even with Harden bricking 8 three pointers a game.

If we lived in your world, where the presence of Giannis on the floor doesn't have any influence on the defense that Harden receives, it's a world where Giannis scores 35 ppg in 30 minutes with 65 FG%.

If you can't see that Harden and Giannis being on the same team would make opponents throw up their hands in frustration, you aren't very imaginative.

[buckbeer]

Heard Coach Bud praised Wilson's practice performance in the training camp press conference. From the way Bud talks about Wilson, sounds like our former 1st rd pick Wilson will get more PT this season.

[machu46]

Heard Coach Bud praised Wilson's practice performance in the training camp press conference. From the way Bud talks about Wilson, sounds like our former 1st rd pick Wilson will get more PT this season.

Feel like just based on the roster he’s bound to get playing time even if he weren’t practicing well. I have no faith in him personally but it would be great if he surprised me.


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[ShootingtheJ]

Heard Coach Bud praised Wilson's practice performance in the training camp press conference. From the way Bud talks about Wilson, sounds like our former 1st rd pick Wilson will get more PT this season.

Feel like just based on the roster he’s bound to get playing time even if he weren’t practicing well. I have no faith in him personally but it would be great if he surprised me.


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For him, it's simply a matter of whether he can make shots. So far, he hasn't been able to finish at the basket, shoot mid range, or the 3. When he had his one hot steak from 3, he played and was an asset. He can defend. It bothers me that his Jack knife style shooting form has never been fixed.

[WRau1]

That would certainly be an interesting development if we got anything out of Wilson. Imagine a world where DDV improved his 3pt shooting to 37%-38% and Wilson could give you a solid 20-25mins off of the bench.