Around the League: 2020 Offseason

spikeslovechild · Post #661 » by **spikeslovechild** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 7:58 pm

Okafor was never the same player after his knee injury and his defense was much worse then advertised but the potential was there to turn into a dominant inside scorer and good rebounder.

The real miss wasn't Okafor it was Porzingis but remember Porzingis refused to show up to interviews and threatened to stay in europe if we drafted him. I don't know if had he came in for a workout and was receptive whether Okafor would still have been the pick. Someone should ask that question of Hinkie he'd probably give you a honest answer.

Post #662 » by **Sixerscan** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 8:24 pm

spikeslovechild wrote:Okafor was never the same player after his knee injury and his defense was much worse then advertised but the potential was there to turn into a dominant inside scorer and good rebounder.

The real miss wasn't Okafor it was Porzingis but remember Porzingis refused to show up to interviews and threatened to stay in europe if we drafted him. I don't know if had he came in for a workout and was receptive whether Okafor would still have been the pick. Someone should ask that question of Hinkie he'd probably give you a honest answer.

Nah he’d just go into some Silicon Valley spiel about how it’s impossible to predict how he would react not having all relevant data points and so on.

Negrodamus · Post #663 » by **Negrodamus** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 9:20 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:Couldn't both be true? I also don't think the GM is going to be unenthusiastic about his pick at #3.

I just don't think Okafor really makes sense in terms of how Hinkie drafted to that point:

Noel, MCW, Grant, McDaniels, Embiid, Saric, Micic, TLC, Furkan, JP Tokoto, Richaun Holmes, Hernangomez, Gudaitis, etc

The American college players are all athletic, defensive focused players. The rest are Euro picks that were mostly stashes.

Okafor doesn't really fit in his mold. I'm willing to believe that he did make that pick, but I can completely understand believing the conspiracy theories behind him not making the pick.

Sure, it's possible they are both true.

I don't think Sam outright planned to select Okafor for months leading up to the draft. I do think he panicked and took him, though. Saric proves that Hinkie was willing to take unathletic defensive zero in the lotto, regardless if he's domestic or international.

I think Saric shows that Hinkie is willing to punt on euro picks like he did with almost every other non-athletic, which, once again, shows he was pretty binary on his prospects: eurostash or hyper defensive athlete.

Kobblehead · Post #664 » by **Kobblehead** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:10 pm

I can't believe there's game on tonight!

Kobblehead · Post #665 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:13 am

LloydFree wrote:Best Finisher (Perimeter players)

Watch on YouTube

Props to dude for mentioning Grant Riller and Tyrese Maxey. Great picks. You know what is an indefensible omission, though? Devon Dotson. Dotson was by far, the best finisher in the class IMO.

Watch on YouTube

For reference:
Dotson: 50.4% of FGA occurred at the rim, 18.1% assisted, 64.8% finishing rate
Maxey: 31.1% of FGA occurred at the rim, 16.9% assisted, 65.1% finishing rate
Riller: 34.9% of FGA occurred at the rim. 13.4% assisted, 70.4% finishing rate

Maxey and Riller got their slightly less assisted and finished with higher percentages, but look at the sheer volume Dotson got to the rim. He's by far the most aggressive attacker of the three and still finished with a great rate. Dotson is a dynamo.

LloydFree · Post #666 » by **LloydFree** » Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:31 am

Kobblehead wrote:
LloydFree wrote:Best Finisher (Perimeter players)

Watch on YouTube

Props to dude for mentioning Grant Riller and Tyrese Maxey. Great picks. You know what is an indefensible omission, though? Devon Dotson. Dotson was by far, the best finisher in the class IMO.

Watch on YouTube

For reference:
Dotson: 50.4% of FGA occurred at the rim, 18.1% assisted, 64.8% finishing rate
Maxey: 31.1% of FGA occurred at the rim, 16.9% assisted, 65.1% finishing rate
Riller: 34.9% of FGA occurred at the rim. 13.4% assisted, 70.4% finishing rate

Maxey and Riller got their slightly less assisted and finished with higher percentages, but look at the sheer volume Dotson got to the rim. He's by far the most aggressive attacker of the three and still finished with a great rate. Dotson is a dynamo.

I think Dotson is different than Maxey and Riller. Maxey is a great Finisher because he has top of the scale body control and coordination. Dotson gets to the rim because he has superior speed and burst, and college guys can't stay with him. With Maxey and Riller, it doesn't matter if the defender stays with them, their craftiness and coordination allows them to finish anyway.

LloydFree · Post #667 » by **LloydFree** » Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:41 am

Negrodamus wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:
Stanford wrote:Hinkie took Okafor because he was forced to by Josh Harris.

That's an undisputed fact. Because I said so.

I appreciate your contribution to alternative fact day, but I thought the non-cannon myth was that Harris blocked Hinkie from moving Okafor on draft night following Jah's rookie year?

Hinkie was outright giddy during the "violence at the rim" presser. It's hard to fake that.

Couldn't both be true? I also don't think the GM is going to be unenthusiastic about his pick at #3.

I just don't think Okafor really makes sense in terms of how Hinkie drafted to that point:

Noel, MCW, Grant, McDaniels, Embiid, Saric, Micic, TLC, Furkan, JP Tokoto, Richaun Holmes, Hernangomez, Gudaitis, etc

The American college players are all athletic, defensive focused players. The rest are Euro picks that were mostly stashes.

Okafor doesn't really fit in his mold. I'm willing to believe that he did make that pick, but I can completely understand believing the conspiracy theories behind him not making the pick.

Hinkie didn't draft TLC or Furkan. Hinkie made enough bad picks on his own, without assigning him part of Colangelo's idiocy.

Kobblehead · Post #668 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:44 am

I still think Dodson's degree of difficulty was higher given his sheer volume of attacking and at about 20 pounds smaller than those guys. Guys like Dotson are not supposed to be able to finish among trees at that high a rate. And they sure as hell aren't supposed to be able to get to the rim that amount of times.

Negrodamus · Post #669 » by **Negrodamus** » Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:54 am

LloydFree wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:I appreciate your contribution to alternative fact day, but I thought the non-cannon myth was that Harris blocked Hinkie from moving Okafor on draft night following Jah's rookie year?

Hinkie was outright giddy during the "violence at the rim" presser. It's hard to fake that.

Couldn't both be true? I also don't think the GM is going to be unenthusiastic about his pick at #3.

I just don't think Okafor really makes sense in terms of how Hinkie drafted to that point:

Noel, MCW, Grant, McDaniels, Embiid, Saric, Micic, TLC, Furkan, JP Tokoto, Richaun Holmes, Hernangomez, Gudaitis, etc

The American college players are all athletic, defensive focused players. The rest are Euro picks that were mostly stashes.

Okafor doesn't really fit in his mold. I'm willing to believe that he did make that pick, but I can completely understand believing the conspiracy theories behind him not making the pick.

Hinkie didn't draft TLC or Furkan. Hinkie made enough bad picks on his own, without assigning him part of Colangelo's idiocy.

I revisited this post an hour ago thinking that I erroneously put those two in there and wanted to edit it, but I missed them on second glance.

Negrodamus · Post #670 » by **Negrodamus** » Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:56 am

Kobblehead wrote:I still think Dodson's degree of difficulty was higher given his sheer volume of attacking and at about 20 pounds smaller than those guys. Guys like Dotson are not supposed to be able to finish among trees at that high a rate. And they sure as hell aren't supposed to be able to get to the rim that amount of times.

We get to see some Dotson in about 10 minutes. I'm excited for everyone to say "wait, why wasn't this guy drafted, hurr durr?".

Kobblehead · Post #671 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat Dec 12, 2020 1:01 am

Dotson coming from Kansas with his steal rate and getting inserted into my Bulls defense (Lavine!) is a great fit for him. That defensive system is built for aggressive takeway guys like him.

Kobblehead · Post #672 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat Dec 12, 2020 1:03 am

Obi Toppin with 9 points in 9 minutes. Are you ready for the NY hype storm?

Negrodamus · Post #673 » by **Negrodamus** » Sat Dec 12, 2020 1:04 am

Fultz made a three. League screwed.

Negrodamus · Post #674 » by **Negrodamus** » Sat Dec 12, 2020 1:12 am

I'm so excited to watch Boogie and John Wall play together. They are so past their prime, but it's fun for me.

Negrodamus · Post #675 » by **Negrodamus** » Sat Dec 12, 2020 1:14 am

Never mind, Boogie in his prime right now.

Kobblehead · Post #676 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat Dec 12, 2020 1:17 am

Zach Lavine with 2 blocks in the first 5 minutes. I'm going to demand an apology from quite a few people in that thread by the end of this season.

Negrodamus · Post #677 » by **Negrodamus** » Sat Dec 12, 2020 1:19 am

Read on Twitter

Lol, bless his heart.

Kobblehead · Post #678 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat Dec 12, 2020 1:37 am

Elfrid Payton looks really good out there. I would love to have a G like him coming off our bench and even providing the occasional spot start. I wonder if we can flip Mike Scott for him at the deadline. The Knicks love PFs.

Negrodamus · Post #679 » by **Negrodamus** » Sat Dec 12, 2020 1:57 am

Coby is a bad point guard. Makes a lot of bonehead plays. Maybe he's just playing lazy in the preseason. Good off ball shooter from what I've seen thus far.

SixthStreet · Post #680 » by **SixthStreet** » Sat Dec 12, 2020 1:59 am

What the heck happened to Fultz’s shot? That form looks terrible.