The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV

[76ciology]

We can’t force him to shoot if he knows he’s a horrible shooter. The team just have to adjust. The way I see it, he’s gonna play that Draymond Green role again for the Sixers with the hand offs but with more opportunistic scoring in transition and halfcourt.

I think he’s satisfied being an effective screen setter, he talked about Seth Curry getting open looks with his screens.

And it is likely to be this way in the future.

..just make sure that we also address Biid’s concern about offense in the play-offs.

And until otherwise, we should accept his limitations and live with it.

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Something like this. Using the gravity of the shooters to find opportunistic baskets

[Zumramania]

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an 80+% ft shooter... -.-

But seriously, this is so weird. A really nice form. Why didn't he at least try shooting it right handed? At least the free throws? He thinks it would take too long to make the switch since all his life he was shooting it left handed? He is too proud to admit his mistake? Or they have actually tried it in training and he's better with his left hand and they've estimated he wouldn't be much better with his right hand with added practice although aesthetically it looks nicer? I would at least expect something like this from a serious organization. So many mysteries around many of our players.

[Negrodamus]

Shooting uncontested FTs with your offhand is completely different than becoming a good, or even passable, shooter in a live game, much less shooting NBA threes. It would be a waste of everyone’s time.

[sixers hoops]

We can’t force him to shoot if he knows he’s a horrible shooter. The team just have to adjust. The way I see it, he’s gonna play that Draymond Green role again for the Sixers with the hand offs but with more opportunistic scoring in transition and halfcourt.

I think he’s satisfied being an effective screen setter, he talked about Seth Curry getting open looks with his screens.

And it is likely to be this way in the future. lol

..just make sure that we also address Biid’s concern about offense in the play-offs.

And until otherwise, we should accept his limitations and live with it.

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Something like this. Using the gravity of the shooters to find opportunistic baskets

If that is the case, we are still obviously short on perimeter creation talent; however, Morey can add that over time.

[Stanford]

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Lol

[mjkvol]

"I'm going to let him play," Rivers told media members recently. "I'm going to give him the keys and let him be free and play. If he takes no shots, I'm fine. If he takes 10 3s, I'm fine. If he gets to the line 15 times, I'm fine. Ben is brilliant enough for me to allow him to play and not get in his way and try to cloud his head up with a bunch of crap.d It's about winning, and that's what I want Ben to focus on, how to make each other better and win."

The Sixers may or may not be a championship team with Rivers and Morey running the show, but it is so refreshing to have real professionals in charge as opposed to the clown show of the last four years.

[76ciology]

Let’s try not to be bias, how good can this guy be in your opinion?

[Sixersftw]

Let’s try not to be bias, how good can this guy be in your opinion?

I generally rate Ben as the15-20th best player in the NBA now so the best reasonable case scenario? lower part of the top 10. Lets assume that Ben shot at a Giannis clip, by both percentage and attempts, or had 1 or 2 bread and butter moves off the dribble. thats a damn good player. Any advancement above that and we have a real MVP level player. Ben' already a top flight player but he is kinda stuck in purgatory until his offense advances.

[Kobblehead]

Let’s try not to be bias, how good can this guy be in your opinion?

If he starts scoring unassisted buckets inside the arc off the dribble? Best player in the NBA. That's a skill he would have to invent out of thin air, though, so it's a longshot. Not impossible, though. He just has to gain some confidence and scoring aggression.

[Negrodamus]

There was a stretch of a few games last season (before bubble) where he was challenged to get more FTA and was playing out of his mind. Then he got injured.

[FireMorey]

Let’s try not to be bias, how good can this guy be in your opinion?

With a jumper in his arsenal, top 5-10. Without one, top 20-25. Right now I have him 23rd-ish.

[Sixersftw]

There was a stretch of a few games last season (before bubble) where he was challenged to get more FTA and was playing out of his mind. Then he got injured.

We've seen him adopt a more offensively agressive orientation and he's literally young Lebron James. The problem is you get that ~5 times a year.

[76thBearCub]

The ultimate enigma, still not sure how to think of him. I'll say this, his game will not only not improve if he doesn't develop a jumper, but it would decline fairly quickly too when he looses that burst. Probably not a concern on this contact just a random thought. Rooting for him to excel. I would continue rooting for him to excel if he was traded to Houston.

[76ciology]

With Ben, I think his upside is simply determined with his ability to shoot.

Unless you are Giannis, you can’t just aggressively bully your way to be a scorer.

Sure, being an aggressive player would improve his points per game and freethrow rate. IN THE REGULAR SEASON.

But come playoffs, he’ll just be neutralized by the right personnel and the right defensive schemes by elite coaches.

That said.. why would I hope Ben would improve as a shooter? To what basis?

Recently I looked at MCW, we basically just gave up on him when he was 23yo with being a better shooter than Ben at that point. In terms of shooting, what sets Ben’s upside as a shooter higher than MCW’s? NONE.

Now, convince me otherwise. Believe me.. im open because im optimistic to every player that wore a sixers jersey. Whether its dalembert, Evan Turner or Okafor. I like to root for everyone on the team.

REALISTICALLY, he is a richman’s Draymond Green or a richman’s Lamar Odom or a PG version of Bam Adebayo.

[ProcessDoctor]

At this point, Simmons would be an overpay for Harden. Simmons is 25 and locked into a contract for 4 more years. The longer Houston waits, the less teams will be willing to offer. Harden's also shown he can't play with co-stars, so it'd be a big risk losing out on a team player like Simmons. I question how Harden and Embiid would mesh personality-wise.

[elchengue20]

The Lebron James comparison is nonsense. Ben hasnt ever be a player of that calibeer, and never will.

Hes closer to a Lamar Odom/Shawn Marion/Draymond Green tier than to a Superstar #1 like Lebron or KD or even prime Grant Hill or something like that.

Sure, he has great potential, but doesnt look like he will ever hit his ceiling. At the end of the day hes a 3rd option for a championship team or a 2 for a playoff team.

Actually i think Ben's game is a Lamar Odom/Shawn Marion hybrid.

[Daytonflores]

The Lebron James comparison is nonsense. Ben hasnt ever be a player of that calibeer, and never will.

Hes closer to a Lamar Odom/Shawn Marion/Draymond Green tier than to a Superstar #1 like Lebron or KD or even prime Grant Hill or something like that.

Sure, he has great potential, but doesnt look like he will ever hit his ceiling. At the end of the day hes a 3rd option for a championship team or a 2 for a playoff team.

Actually i think Ben's game is a Lamar Odom/Shawn Marion hybrid.

Ben was already a 2 time all star at age 23

Lamar Odom has never been an all star in his 14 year career

Shawn Marion was only an all star 3 times in his 16 year career, and none before the age of 25

Are people intentionally deflating Ben’s value?

[Stanford]

The Lebron James comparison is nonsense

Who are you arguing with here?

[elchengue20]

The Lebron James comparison is nonsense

Who are you arguing with here?

I heard that nonsense multiple times since he was in college.Last time was a week ago in ESPN, i think SAS.

Many people think Ben has that kind of potential and a good chance to fullfill it.Even in this board, many posters think he has Top 5 player potential and hes nearly untochable.

I think we should sell high while hes still overated because of potential.

[Stanford]

I don't think anyone seriously compared Ben to LeBron.