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Re: Hassan and Mario 

Post#21 » by PDXKnight » Thu Nov 26, 2020 6:24 pm

Pattycakes wrote:I don't think we let Gabriel go unless he expects a bigger role elsewhere... He looked super solid in the bubble when called on.


He’s pretty expendable but a good 15th man to have around. I wouldn’t be shocked if he stays but I also wouldn’t be shocked if we dump him to add guard depth
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Re: Hassan and Mario 

Post#22 » by d-train » Thu Nov 26, 2020 8:26 pm

I edited the title to include Gabriel and Swanigan. Swanigan was great in his return, good luck to him. And, Wenyen Gabriel is a promising young player. However, I would trade either or both for Giles.
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Post#23 » by Blazinaway » Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:45 pm

Oden2 wrote:Im surprised Hassan went for the vet min. He’s dead stats but would’ve guessed someone would throw the mle at him


Hassan vet min and Myle 10 mil? yeah Myers can shoot the 3 but is somewhat worthless post season, crazy league sometimes
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Re: Hassan, Mario, Swanigan, and Gabriel 

Post#24 » by d-train » Fri Nov 27, 2020 12:03 am

Teams want open driving lanes to the basket. Your bigs don't have to make 3's, but they must demand coverage. Kanter isn't a 3 point shooter, but defense can't leave him.
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Re: Hassan, Mario, Swanigan, and Gabriel 

Post#25 » by GEE » Fri Nov 27, 2020 12:41 am

If anybody has watched the NBA long enough, they would see that the league has it's fads. In this case, the exodus of traditional Centers that can't stretch the floor, and in some cases out to the 3 point stripe. It's crazy if you ask me, and a bit sheepish or copycat in nature. If I'm an opposing coach, I'll take my chances and let the opposing teams' center shoot as many threes as he wants, verses those shots coming from a PG/SG.

Anyway, as for Hassan, Mario, Biggie & Wenyen... I still can't believe Olshey flipped them into Kanter, Jones, ROCO & Giles. Just beautiful, under the radar moves that should move the needle quite a bit IMO. Biggest questions now go to Stotts, and if he will be able to get the best out of the talent he has. Dame will need to be smart in this regard as well, because we all know who really calls the shots, right. I mean, the offense and defense isn't going to change one bit, unless Dame approves. There are issues to be discussed there as well IMO.
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Re: Hassan, Mario, Swanigan, and Gabriel 

Post#26 » by Wizenheimer » Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:29 pm

GEE wrote:
Anyway, as for Hassan, Mario, Biggie & Wenyen... I still can't believe Olshey flipped them into Kanter, Jones, ROCO & Giles.


that's wildly incomplete context on the outgoing side

* Biggie and Gabriel were just cut and their rights renounced. The only thing they were converted to was open roster slots

* Portland had to renounce Whiteside in order to use their full MLE since they were holding onto Hood

in other words, what you didn't include in the outgoing assets ledger was

1a) the full-MLE
1b) Blazers being hard-capped losing some potential flexibility
1c) the loss of any potential Whiteside S&T because of the hard-cap
3) the 7M TPE used for Kanter
4) 2020 first round pick
5) 2021-26 first round pick; meaning any Portland leverage to trade 1st round picks is mostly dead for 6 years
6) apparent 'loss' of the BAE because of luxury tax concerns


on paper, the Blazers improved quite a bit in their 4-10 rotation over last season. Some of the fits are questionable but the season will reveal whether that's true or not

but it's loopy to act like Portland gave up little of value. They actually gave up quite a bit in terms of current and future assets to build this roster. And because of tax issues and hard-capping, Blazers signed Jones and Giles to awkward contracts in terms of team protection. They could both be free agents next summer and the Blazers will only have non-Bird rights. That limits Portland to only a 120% raise, and that might not be enough

this off-season seems to be case of Olshey, about 2-3 years too late, operating with a sense of urgency. That it finally soaked in that the candle of Dame's prime is burning brightly. I believe Olshey's seat was getting hot and the heat was coming from both Dame and Seattle
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Re: Hassan, Mario, Swanigan, and Gabriel 

Post#27 » by BlazersBroncos » Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:57 pm

this off-season seems to be case of Olshey, about 2-3 years too late, operating with a sense of urgency. That it finally soaked in that the candle of Dame's prime is burning brightly. I believe Olshey's seat was getting hot and the heat was coming from both Dame and Seattle


100%. This offseason looks so good because last offseason was so poor.

5) 2021-26 first round pick; meaning any Portland leverage to trade 1st round picks is mostly dead for 6 years


Wiz, you take money into account when evaluating the team. Right now we have 130M in salary summer 2021. Taking into account both GTJ and ZC are likely to get Full-MLE level deals, and that the 130M doesnt include Kanter or Melo, there is a good chance that summer 2021 leads to a talent exodus similar, if not worse, than summer 2019.

Capitalizing on the youth of GTJ or ZC to get a FRP in 2021 is a move that needs to be on the table depending on performance. We cant resign both and go into 2021/22 with a salary 18M over the tax for a team that isnt a shoe-in top-3 squad leaguewide. If we had GSW talent, it makes sense. But we sure as hell dont.
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Re: Hassan and Mario 

Post#28 » by PDXKnight » Sat Nov 28, 2020 5:56 am

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Oden2 wrote:Im surprised Hassan went for the vet min. He’s dead stats but would’ve guessed someone would throw the mle at him


Hassan vet min and Myle 10 mil? yeah Myers can shoot the 3 but is somewhat worthless post season, crazy league sometimes


I’m gonna say Leonard lucked out. Guaranteed Riley is thinking in terms of having sizable expirings on hand for a potential deal for a superstar like harden
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Re: Hassan, Mario, Swanigan, and Gabriel 

Post#29 » by BlazersBroncos » Sat Nov 28, 2020 4:44 pm

I’m gonna say Leonard lucked out. Guaranteed Riley is thinking in terms of having sizable expirings on hand for a potential deal for a superstar like harden


I think that is part of it. But its pretty clear that Leonard is a huge net plus in the locker room, and a nice regular season big to keep Bam's minutes down. I think they plan to decline the TO in 2021 and hope they can resign him cheap after this inflated deal. He seems to love the Miami org and the feeling clearly is mutual. I am really happy for the guy, its not everyday that someone as wholesome and positive makes it in this world, much less as a pro athlete. After being a regular season starter he got zero run in the playoffs and you could tell he didnt care one bit. He genuinely was just rooting for his friends with all he had. That makes me smile.
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Re: Hassan, Mario, Swanigan, and Gabriel 

Post#30 » by d-train » Mon Dec 14, 2020 6:17 am

Knicks waived Skal a couple days ago. I didn't even know Skal was in Knicks camp.
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Re: Hassan, Mario, Swanigan, and Gabriel 

Post#31 » by d-train » Mon Dec 14, 2020 6:23 am

Apparently, Skal signed an exhibit 10 contract with Knicks on 12/9 and was waived 2 days later on 12/11.
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Re: Hassan, Mario, Swanigan, and Gabriel 

Post#32 » by d-train » Wed Dec 16, 2020 10:27 pm

Vonleh was waived a couple days ago. Blazers castoffs are being kicked to the curb again.
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