2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2

Psubs · Post #2061 » by **Psubs** » Mon Dec 14, 2020 2:21 pm

Is Kyle Korver a FA? Is he waiting to see how teams are doing and signing later in the season?

Asif16 · Post #2062 » by **Asif16** » Mon Dec 14, 2020 2:56 pm

Maybe a 3 Team trade that has Harden/Tucker to Toronto......Lowry to GS.....Wiggins + Paschall + Powell, + Young Players + Picks to Houston?

Would Wiggins as the main young Piece entice Houston or no?

Psubs · Post #2063 » by **Psubs** » Mon Dec 14, 2020 3:24 pm

Asif16 wrote:Maybe a 3 Team trade that has Harden/Tucker to Toronto......Lowry to GS.....Wiggins + Paschall + Powell, + Young Players + Picks to Houston?

Would Wiggins as the main young Piece entice Houston or no?

I would say no way as he's already overpaid and not much better than an average player you can sign for $20 million.

I think Ben Simmons is the best example of allstar, where Philly has 1 star in Embiid.

StopitLeo · Post #2064 » by **StopitLeo** » Mon Dec 14, 2020 3:33 pm

Ell Curry wrote:I think there are 3 obvious routes to us being a genuine contender this year:

I see one route because being a genuine contender means having an MVP-calibre player on the roster. Pascal isn't at that level right now and it would be shocking to me if he reaches those heights (I'd love for him to prove me wrong).

So if we are talking this season that would mean acquiring someone by trade who is at that elite MVP level.

StopitLeo · Post #2065 » by **StopitLeo** » Mon Dec 14, 2020 3:47 pm

Psubs wrote:I think Ben Simmons is the best example of allstar, where Philly has 1 star in Embiid.

I don't really understand why people think a Harden-Simmons trade makes sense. Is it just because Simmons is the closest to "equal value" that might be feasible?

I get that Simmons is a great player but how exactly is he going to work with John Wall? And are the Rockets going to abandon their entire offensive system (around which the roster was constructed) by bringing in a guy that can't shoot?

ash_k · Post #2066 » by **ash_k** » Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:00 pm

jimmy keys wrote:
ash_k wrote:Giannis signs the max by Dec 21 meaning "dream over"

to LAC: Kyle
to OKC: P.Beverley + L.Williams + Zubac + P.McCaw
to Raps: A.Horford + G.Hill

> OKC do it to save money from that Al's contract
> Clips for that much needed leadership
> Horford + G.Hill coming off the bench and finally making Norm the full-time starting SG!

that is beyond awful.

y'all are just vastly overrating the value of a 34year old player going into the last year of his contract.
Some of y'all are even laughing off a 3-way trade for Wiggins involving Kyle; while discussing with a "straight-face" a Norman+Kyle+ picks for Harden :lol:

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Like I said massively overrating Kyle Lowry's value

jimmy keys · Post #2067 » by **jimmy keys** » Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:42 pm

ash_k wrote:
jimmy keys wrote:
ash_k wrote:Giannis signs the max by Dec 21 meaning "dream over"

to LAC: Kyle
to OKC: P.Beverley + L.Williams + Zubac + P.McCaw
to Raps: A.Horford + G.Hill

> OKC do it to save money from that Al's contract
> Clips for that much needed leadership
> Horford + G.Hill coming off the bench and finally making Norm the full-time starting SG!

that is beyond awful.

y'all are just vastly overrating the value of a 34year old player going into the last year of his contract.
Some of y'all are even laughing off a 3-way trade for Wiggins involving Kyle; while discussing with a "straight-face" a Norman+Kyle+ picks for Harden .
Like I said massively overrating Kyle Lowry's value

nah i would rather let him expire than take on Horford's deal. it's pretty simple actually.

Ell Curry · Post #2068 » by **Ell Curry** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 12:05 am

It's hard for me to see past a Norm (maybe after Feb 6 when guys like Baynes can be included) trade for an expiring or very cheap (I think under 5M or so around the limit to still have the max space for wooing Giannis) big with Watson, Davis, Thomas and Flynn all looking promising. Something like this works:

Toronto - Lamarcus Aldridge,
San Antonio - Dieng, Stanley Johnson OR Pat McCaw, Memphis Lottery protected 1st (becomes 2 2nds if they never make playoffs)
Memphis - Norm Powell, Aron Baynes, Spurs 2nd rounder

Raps get a proper big man and one who can even post up a bit in certain matchups if the halfcourt offense stalls again in a playoff series. And if the Raps strike out, maybe they even bring back Lowry and/or Aldridge for a year or two of trying to contend or maybe contending for one year and then having expiring to trade with picks for a star in year 2.

Memphis gets a good wing where they still really need help and maybe they even re-sign him. They give up a lottery protected first for him but they get a 2nd rounder from a rebuilding Spurs, so really only move down 20ish picks or so from say 16 to 38, or give up 2 seconds. They also get Baynes to give them 10-15 minutes of centre depth behind JV if they don't want to play Jaren Jackson there.

San Antonio squeezes out a first for Aldridge by giving up a 2nd rounder and takes on no future cap money.

bluerap23 · Post #2069 » by **bluerap23** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 1:22 am

StopitLeo wrote:
bluerap23 wrote:
If I am Philly I am not giving up Simmons for Harder, let alone Lowry. No way they do that trade.

In July 2018, Morey was asked what his best move was as a GM. His answer? Trading for Kyle Lowry.

Think about that. Morey said his best move as a GM was trading for Lowry, who isn't on their team, and he's saying this a month after James Harden just won MVP.

Morey loves Lowry. I can only imagine he loves NBA Champion Lowry even more.

While Simmons-Embiid looks great on paper they do not perform well on the court. Lowry-Embiid would be much better for their team and Embiid's development. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Daryl Morey recognized this.

Trading Rafer Alston for a 22 year-old Kyle Lowry is not the same thing as trading a 23 year-old Ben Simmons for a 34 year-old Kyle Lowry.

Stop it Leo

RonaldArtest · Post #2070 » by **RonaldArtest** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:12 am

What about targeting LMA to play C. He’s regressing but still an imposing big body in the paint, and has some range from the elbow to the corner 3. Something like Powell/Baynes/McCaw/Johnson for LMA and a minimum player?

Edit - ha, just scrolled up and see LMA was mentioned 2 posts above mine. With his contract expiring and Norm likely needing to be moved, I think he’s a pretty good target.

tecumseh18 · Post #2071 » by **tecumseh18** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:46 am

bluerap23 wrote:
StopitLeo wrote:
bluerap23 wrote:
If I am Philly I am not giving up Simmons for Harder, let alone Lowry. No way they do that trade.

In July 2018, Morey was asked what his best move was as a GM. His answer? Trading for Kyle Lowry.

Think about that. Morey said his best move as a GM was trading for Lowry, who isn't on their team, and he's saying this a month after James Harden just won MVP.

Morey loves Lowry. I can only imagine he loves NBA Champion Lowry even more.

While Simmons-Embiid looks great on paper they do not perform well on the court. Lowry-Embiid would be much better for their team and Embiid's development. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Daryl Morey recognized this.

Trading Rafer Alston for a 22 year-old Kyle Lowry is not the same thing as trading a 23 year-old Ben Simmons for a 34 year-old Kyle Lowry.

Stop it Leo

Sixers are still paying max dollars to three players, even after getting rid of Horford's awful contract. Maybe Morey will take Lowry plus TD (who played really well against Morey's Rockets last season) plus a few FRP to get out from under Simmons' contract. I hope it wouldn't take OG. Then we flip Simmons + Norm for Harden.

bluerap23 · Post #2072 » by **bluerap23** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 4:17 am

tecumseh18 wrote:
bluerap23 wrote:
StopitLeo wrote:
In July 2018, Morey was asked what his best move was as a GM. His answer? Trading for Kyle Lowry.

Think about that. Morey said his best move as a GM was trading for Lowry, who isn't on their team, and he's saying this a month after James Harden just won MVP.

Morey loves Lowry. I can only imagine he loves NBA Champion Lowry even more.

While Simmons-Embiid looks great on paper they do not perform well on the court. Lowry-Embiid would be much better for their team and Embiid's development. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Daryl Morey recognized this.

Trading Rafer Alston for a 22 year-old Kyle Lowry is not the same thing as trading a 23 year-old Ben Simmons for a 34 year-old Kyle Lowry.

Stop it Leo

Sixers are still paying max dollars to three players, even after getting rid of Horford's awful contract. Maybe Morey will take Lowry plus TD (who played really well against Morey's Rockets last season) plus a few FRP to get out from under Simmons' contract. I hope it wouldn't take OG. Then we flip Simmons + Norm for Harden.

Why would Philly want Lowry over Harden. Simple answer, they wouldn't.

tecumseh18 · Post #2073 » by **tecumseh18** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 4:53 am

bluerap23 wrote:
tecumseh18 wrote:
Sixers are still paying max dollars to three players, even after getting rid of Horford's awful contract. Maybe Morey will take Lowry plus TD (who played really well against Morey's Rockets last season) plus a few FRP to get out from under Simmons' contract. I hope it wouldn't take OG. Then we flip Simmons + Norm for Harden.

Why would Philly want Lowry over Harden. Simple answer, they wouldn't.

Embiid has been thirsting for Kyle for years. Kyle fits better than Simmons with their personnel. Simmons has been injury prone, and they're in win-now mode. And, as I said, right now Sixers are paying A LOT of money for three players. If they can get an older Kyle for a more reasonable number next season, that would help the balance sheet.

Plus a great prospect in TD. Plus picks. If they demand OG instead, not sure what Masai should do.

Kingsway_fan · Post #2074 » by **Kingsway_fan** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:33 am

We don't need Harden... we need a c....

LoveMyRaps · Post #2075 » by **LoveMyRaps** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:58 am

Powell for Bjelica + (Most favorable of) Kings or Grizzlies 2021 second round pick

ash_k · Post #2076 » by **ash_k** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 11:43 am

Kingsway_fan wrote:We don't need Harden... we need a c....

In CNN's offense, the Center has to be a shooter! he has to be thus options are limited.

StopitLeo · Post #2077 » by **StopitLeo** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:32 pm

bluerap23 wrote:
tecumseh18 wrote:
bluerap23 wrote:
Trading Rafer Alston for a 22 year-old Kyle Lowry is not the same thing as trading a 23 year-old Ben Simmons for a 34 year-old Kyle Lowry.

Stop it Leo

Sixers are still paying max dollars to three players, even after getting rid of Horford's awful contract. Maybe Morey will take Lowry plus TD (who played really well against Morey's Rockets last season) plus a few FRP to get out from under Simmons' contract. I hope it wouldn't take OG. Then we flip Simmons + Norm for Harden.

Why would Philly want Lowry over Harden. Simple answer, they wouldn't.

The point is that Morey thinks trading for Lowry was a better move than trading for Harden who turned into an MVP and scoring champ. That's bonkers unless he thinks really highly of Lowry.

It's not that Philly would want Lowry over Harden. It's that instead of giving up Simmons and a 3 FRPs for Harden - apparently Houston's ask - they would get Lowry, Powell/Davis/Whomever, and picks for Simmons.

As good as Simmons is as a player he is not a good fit with Embiid; I honestly see them going further with Lowry-Embiid. This trade would make them more competitive now, provide more cap flexibility to make moves while Embiid is under contract, and allow them to stockpile future draft/trade assets (which would be helpful to move Tobias Harris).

Lukeem · Post #2078 » by **Lukeem** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 4:05 pm

McCaw
Johnson
2nd pick(s)

For

Bjelicia

Save nurse from himself. Get some size and shooting for bench. Make a spot for Watson jr Bjelicia is still expiring

Slackstring701 · Post #2079 » by **Slackstring701** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 4:28 pm

Lukeem wrote:McCaw
Johnson
2nd pick(s)

For

Bjelicia

Save nurse from himself. Get some size and shooting for bench. Make a spot for Watson jr Bjelicia is still expiring

I would love to dump Mccaw and Johnson. I don't think there's any chance Sac does this. Unfortunately Mccaw, and especially Johnson just have zero value.

OAKLEY_2 · Post #2080 » by **OAKLEY_2** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 4:54 pm

Slackstring701 wrote:
Lukeem wrote:McCaw
Johnson
2nd pick(s)

For

Bjelicia

Save nurse from himself. Get some size and shooting for bench. Make a spot for Watson jr Bjelicia is still expiring

I would love to dump Mccaw and Johnson. I don't think there's any chance Sac does this. Unfortunately Mccaw, and especially Johnson just have zero value.

Stuck with McCaw until he expires and stuck with Stanley until they have to further guarantee his deal. Stuck with Norm because he brings starter talent. Lowry is still an allstar at 34. He would fetch more than some would like to admit.