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Re: The Troy Brown Thread 

Post#661 » by nate33 » Tue Dec 15, 2020 4:32 pm

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pcbothwel wrote:I'll say it again. SGA was also drafted in 2018, but has played double the minutes and is 12 months older.
As far as Do-It-All playmakers go with elite size and IQ, Im excited to watch Brown's career in parallel. SGA has been better, but that margin might close fast.
SGA is considered a future AS and key building block to OKC. Lets re-evaluate Brown at years end (Still be younger than SGA today) and see how people feel.

SGA has the innate athletic burst to blow past his primary defender and bend a defense. I like Troy Brown, but he lacks that innate athleticism. I just don't see the SGA comparison.

I think the absolute best-case upside for him is Jimmy Butler. Troy could conceivably just keep getting a bit stronger and a bit better as a shooter year over year, until eventually he just overpowers opposing shooting guards and gets to his spot with strength and skill.

Jimmy Butler is really freaking good though. Odds are, Brown won't meet that threshold. I'm trying to think of a comp as a poor man's Jimmy Butler - a big guard who can handle the ball and run an offense, but not necessarily an elite first option scorer. Peak Nic Batum? Doug Christie? Joe Ingles?


Andre Igguodala before GSW? Evan Turner?

The thing about Turner is that he has always been woefully inefficient, relying on a bad midrange jumper while turning the ball over a ton. Troy Brown posts the same per-minute points and assists as Turner (and even more rebounds and steals), but with almost half the turnovers. Here is a comparison of their per 36 min stats, this is Troy's 2nd year (age 20) versus the sum of Turner's 2nd, 3rd and 4th seasons (age 23, 24 and 25):

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I don't want to taint TBJ's potential by comparing him to Turner.

Young Iggy was a pretty good comparison on offense. Like Troy, Iggy could generate assists without turning the ball over.
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Re: The Troy Brown Thread 

Post#662 » by payitforward » Tue Dec 15, 2020 4:46 pm

pcbothwel wrote:I'll say it again. SGA was also drafted in 2018, but has played double the minutes and is 12 months older.
As far as Do-It-All playmakers go with elite size and IQ, Im excited to watch Brown's career in parallel. SGA has been better, but that margin might close fast.
SGA is considered a future AS and key building block to OKC. Lets re-evaluate Brown at years end (Still be younger than SGA today) and see how people feel.

SG-A had a better 2019-20 season than TBJ. But... was it a lot better? Not really....

Let's get the non-scoring stuff out of the way first: per 40 minutes, Troy had
15% more defensive boards than SG-A
More than twice as many offensive rebounds as SG-A
Slightly more assists than SG-A
80% as many turnovers as SG-A
44% more steals than SG-A
OTOH, SG-A blocked more shots & committed fewer fouls.
Overall, Troy has a big advantage on the non-scoring numbers.

Scoring:
SG-A scored almost 6 more points per 40 minutes. &, to get those extra points he only used 4 extra possessions. He didn't do this shooting 3's, btw -- They attempted almost the same number per 40 minutes, & SG-A's 34.7% rate wasn't much different from Troy's 34.1%. Instead, SG-A got to the line more & shot more 2-pointers at a 3% higher FG%.

Overall, Troy's better numbers in the non-scoring stuff don't quite equalize the two guys: SG-A had a bit better season. Not much better, but better all the same.

Still, overall in their first 2 years, there is not a whole lot of difference between them on the numbers. OTOH, SG-A has played 4600 minutes vs. Brown's 2500 minutes, & I am sure he's played more minutes against starters than back-ups.

At the same time, Brown is a year younger.

Most important -- both guys improved in their second years. These are a couple of very good young players.

As to an overall comparison -- would I swap players straight up right now? Yes, of course. Am I sure that SG-A will wind up a better player overall than TBJ? No, not at all.
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Re: The Troy Brown Thread 

Post#663 » by payitforward » Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:01 pm

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pcbothwel wrote:I'll say it again. SGA was also drafted in 2018, but has played double the minutes and is 12 months older.
As far as Do-It-All playmakers go with elite size and IQ, Im excited to watch Brown's career in parallel. SGA has been better, but that margin might close fast.
SGA is considered a future AS and key building block to OKC. Lets re-evaluate Brown at years end (Still be younger than SGA today) and see how people feel.

SGA has the innate athletic burst to blow past his primary defender and bend a defense. I like Troy Brown, but he lacks that innate athleticism. I just don't see the SGA comparison.

I think the absolute best-case upside for him is Jimmy Butler. Troy could conceivably just keep getting a bit stronger and a bit better as a shooter year over year, until eventually he just overpowers opposing shooting guards and gets to his spot with strength and skill.

Jimmy Butler is really freaking good though. Odds are, Brown won't meet that threshold. I'm trying to think of a comp as a poor man's Jimmy Butler - a big guard who can handle the ball and run an offense, but not necessarily an elite first option scorer. Peak Nic Batum? Doug Christie? Joe Ingles?

Right... "like" SG-A? No. He might wind up the better player, who knows, but SG-A isn't the right comp for him.

Butler is interesting -- thing is, Butler came into the league as a man & an experienced, skilled competitor. Brown came in as a kid. It'll be hard to make the comparison for a couple of years.

Batum is an interesting idea.... Thing is, Troy is such an outstanding rebounder; it's really hard to find a guy whose numbers overall look similar to his.
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Re: The Troy Brown Thread 

Post#664 » by doclinkin » Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:10 pm

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Young Iggy was a pretty good comparison on offense. Like Troy, Iggy could generate assists without turning the ball over.


Though Iggy had redonkulous athleticism.
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Re: The Troy Brown Thread 

Post#665 » by dckingsfan » Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:15 am

Chase Hughes: Scott Brooks on Troy Brown Jr. and the PG spot: “That’s not his position, really… he can have some opportunities in a pinch.” Not surprising, given their added PG depth. Said he has a chance to start at the three-spot.
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Re: The Troy Brown Thread 

Post#666 » by Jimmy Recard » Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:27 am

dckingsfan wrote:Chase Hughes: Scott Brooks on Troy Brown Jr. and the PG spot: “That’s not his position, really… he can have some opportunities in a pinch.” Not surprising, given their added PG depth. Said he has a chance to start at the three-spot.


:x

It’s like Sato all over again.
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Re: The Troy Brown Thread 

Post#667 » by NatP4 » Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:29 am

Well that is discouraging. Brooks had Brown at point guard in the first preseason game for an extended period of time, but whatever.
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Re: The Troy Brown Thread 

Post#668 » by queridiculo » Thu Dec 17, 2020 8:29 am

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dckingsfan wrote:Chase Hughes: Scott Brooks on Troy Brown Jr. and the PG spot: “That’s not his position, really… he can have some opportunities in a pinch.” Not surprising, given their added PG depth. Said he has a chance to start at the three-spot.


:x

It’s like Sato all over again.


During the Nets game I thought how refreshing it was to see Troy Brown finally get a crack, and how much more settled the offense looked with him running the show.

I thought Brooks saw the light, now we got Brown getting Sato'd :x
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Re: The Troy Brown Thread 

Post#669 » by dckingsfan » Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:54 pm

queridiculo wrote:
Jimmy Recard wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:Chase Hughes: Scott Brooks on Troy Brown Jr. and the PG spot: “That’s not his position, really… he can have some opportunities in a pinch.” Not surprising, given their added PG depth. Said he has a chance to start at the three-spot.

:x

It’s like Sato all over again.


During the Nets game I thought how refreshing it was to see Troy Brown finally get a crack, and how much more settled the offense looked with him running the show.

I thought Brooks saw the light, now we got Brown getting Sato'd :x

So Avdija starting, Bonga backing him up... okay. But no use for Brown at backup PG. Yeah, going to be interesting times for TBJ this year.

Scott Brooks said that Deni Avdija "has a good chance to be" the starting small forward for the Washington Wizards this season.
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Re: The Troy Brown Thread 

Post#670 » by FAH1223 » Sat Jan 2, 2021 11:26 pm

Brooks hates tall PGs
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Re: The Troy Brown Thread 

Post#671 » by FAH1223 » Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:54 am

What did he do to Brooks?
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