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Who are your top 3?

Anthony
28
4%
Ball
247
34%
Bey
28
4%
Edwards
131
18%
Haliburton
178
24%
Okoro
6
1%
Quickley
71
10%
Tate
5
1%
Williams
13
2%
Wiseman
28
4%
 
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Post#81 » by SpreeS » Tue Dec 15, 2020 1:45 pm



Wiseman! 5on5 practice. Fast run (at 1:00) for 7-1 big. Impresive!
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Post#82 » by JMAC3 » Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:31 pm

Malachi Flynn looks good, but he should be after being in college programs for the last 4 years. I think the Raptors found a really solid backup point guard in him, but I did not see him do anything spectacular or surprising. He has a nice a jumper, but he also is playing against a pretty bad team who is playing a bunch of guys who have no real experience playing the NBA.

Would probably take Donte Divincenzo over him right now.
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Post#83 » by Roger Murdock » Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:52 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:
HotelVitale wrote:
KembaWalker wrote: yeah totally good thing we had Jalen McDaniels who is the same age as Flynn and was even better than him tonight. future all star!!
Dante Exum straight up destroyed destroyed Oladipo tonight too.

I always enjoy people getting excited about their team's rookies but it's weird that we don't learn the same stuff year after year. This isn't real NBA basketball yet, it's close but there's a lot of things missing and a lot of little things that are different, and the general attitude/approach teams take is very different (pulling out every imaginable stop to win vs f'in around with various things). That stuff might seem small but it makes for a totally different game that different people can get over in.


Lol we're comparing two rookies and you decide to bring up two random players.
It seems like it's you that doesn't understand the same stuff year after year.
When will you learn... Masai is the GOAT.

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While interesting I'd love to know how the values on that chart are generated. I'm guessing the reason the Cavs score so exceptionally low is because its comparing Bennett and Wiggins to other #1 overall picks rather than the options available at the time.

So rather than comparing Anthony Bennett to Alex Len, Nerlens Noel, Otto Porter, and Ben McLemore, its comparing him to Shaq, LeBron, Kareem, Hakeem, etc...

And rather than comparing Andrew Wiggins to Embiid, Parker, and Exum its comparing him to legends as well.

I'd venture to guess any team drafting #1 overall those years would be getting slaughtered on the rankings as the talent in those drafts sucked and they were filled with landmines. Hell, the picks got traded for Love and helped em win a championship anyways so they didn't even hurt the Cavs but rather hurt Minnesota.

Also looks like the Lakers are getting a huge benefit from D'Angelo, Lonzo, and Ingram blossoming once they got away despite being a mismanaged dumpster fire before LeBron saved them.

Raptors are the premier organization for developing talent and deserve the kudos they are getting.
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Post#84 » by DAcReator » Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:56 pm

JMAC3 wrote:Malachi Flynn looks good, but he should be after being in college programs for the last 4 years. I think the Raptors found a really solid backup point guard in him, but I did not see him do anything spectacular or surprising. He has a nice a jumper, but he also is playing against a pretty bad team who is playing a bunch of guys who have no real experience playing the NBA.

Would probably take Donte Divincenzo over him right now.


Spectacular or not, you cant teach IQ and ill take his over most of the rookies ive seen thus far. plus his jumper is so reliable. youll realize when going deep into the playoffs that BBIQ trumps all
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Post#85 » by Zombiesonics » Tue Dec 15, 2020 4:09 pm

flynn is really an excellent shooter. has all the making off 40% 3pt guy with good pick n roll play. With how good he and maledon look, ainge better pray pritchard fufills the hype.
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Post#86 » by JMAC3 » Tue Dec 15, 2020 4:41 pm

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JMAC3 wrote:Malachi Flynn looks good, but he should be after being in college programs for the last 4 years. I think the Raptors found a really solid backup point guard in him, but I did not see him do anything spectacular or surprising. He has a nice a jumper, but he also is playing against a pretty bad team who is playing a bunch of guys who have no real experience playing the NBA.

Would probably take Donte Divincenzo over him right now.


Spectacular or not, you cant teach IQ and ill take his over most of the rookies ive seen thus far. plus his jumper is so reliable. youll realize when going deep into the playoffs that BBIQ trumps all


I am a fan of BBIQ, but are we talking about Flynn as player in a nutshell or Flynn as a player as the 9th guy on the Raptors. As a the 9th guy on the Raptors he is a great fit, but that does not mean I am taking him in the Lottery in a redraft.

Same with OG, he is a really good 4th or 5th option on Raptors, but that doesn't mean I want him as the number 2 option on the Cavs.

Also, Raptors won the game, but they were really outplayed in the portion of the game when it was starters vs starters.
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Post#87 » by JMAC3 » Tue Dec 15, 2020 4:47 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:Lol we're comparing two rookies and you decide to bring up two random players.
It seems like it's you that doesn't understand the same stuff year after year.
When will you learn... Masai is the GOAT.

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Respect to the Raptors, but since 2010 they have drafted 1 All-Star. Given they have done a really good job of finding role players later in the draft. Not sure I would say they are the best at drafting, but they are really good at accumulating complimentary talent.
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Post#88 » by DAcReator » Tue Dec 15, 2020 4:47 pm

JMAC3 wrote:
DAcReator wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:Malachi Flynn looks good, but he should be after being in college programs for the last 4 years. I think the Raptors found a really solid backup point guard in him, but I did not see him do anything spectacular or surprising. He has a nice a jumper, but he also is playing against a pretty bad team who is playing a bunch of guys who have no real experience playing the NBA.

Would probably take Donte Divincenzo over him right now.


Spectacular or not, you cant teach IQ and ill take his over most of the rookies ive seen thus far. plus his jumper is so reliable. youll realize when going deep into the playoffs that BBIQ trumps all


I am a fan of BBIQ, but are we talking about Flynn as player in a nutshell or Flynn as a player as the 9th guy on the Raptors. As a the 9th guy on the Raptors he is a great fit, but that does not mean I am taking him in the Lottery in a redraft.

Same with OG, he is a really good 4th or 5th option on Raptors, but that doesn't mean I want him as the number 2 option on the Cavs.

Also, Raptors won the game, but they were really outplayed in the portion of the game when it was starters vs starters.


Agreed our starters looked bad. Unpopular opinion amongst my fanbase, but Im hoping we dont overachieve this year like we have the past 7 years (excluding championship of course). Im ready to be a 7/8th seed with a higher draft pick in whats looking to be a very promising class.
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Post#89 » by Lockdown504090 » Tue Dec 15, 2020 4:56 pm

1. Okoro will win a champtionship at some point in his career. He has exellent work habbits and fixed his jumper in one summer. Hes strong, has just enough size to defend on the wing, and has confidence.

2. Edwards has too many tools not to be an all star even though I dont think he will be a "winning player"

3. Lamelo ball is better than I thought on defense. He cant move his feet, but he understands defensive rotations, communicates and his jumper actually works at the nba level.

4.Malachi Flynn on the raptors is doing a job scoring on guys who probably arent nba players, need to see more.

5.The Israeli guy is going to be a very good complementary player, The hawks might have screwed this one up, he looks like he fits what they want to do.

6. its hard to believe jayson tatum is only 19

7. ben simmons got ROTY on lock this year
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Post#90 » by The Rebel » Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:48 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:
HotelVitale wrote:
KembaWalker wrote: yeah totally good thing we had Jalen McDaniels who is the same age as Flynn and was even better than him tonight. future all star!!
Dante Exum straight up destroyed destroyed Oladipo tonight too.

I always enjoy people getting excited about their team's rookies but it's weird that we don't learn the same stuff year after year. This isn't real NBA basketball yet, it's close but there's a lot of things missing and a lot of little things that are different, and the general attitude/approach teams take is very different (pulling out every imaginable stop to win vs f'in around with various things). That stuff might seem small but it makes for a totally different game that different people can get over in.


Lol we're comparing two rookies and you decide to bring up two random players.
It seems like it's you that doesn't understand the same stuff year after year.
When will you learn... Masai is the GOAT.

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Maybe you don't realize it but that study has a fatal flaw in that it rates by accumulated stats, so the longer it has been since their draft the higher the differences between busts and good players which lead to overrating players by a ton.
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Post#91 » by HotelVitale » Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:51 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:
HotelVitale wrote:
KembaWalker wrote: yeah totally good thing we had Jalen McDaniels who is the same age as Flynn and was even better than him tonight. future all star!!
Dante Exum straight up destroyed destroyed Oladipo tonight too. I always enjoy people getting excited about their team's rookies but it's weird that we don't learn the same stuff year after year. This isn't real NBA basketball yet, it's close but there's a lot of things missing and a lot of little things that are different, and the general attitude/approach teams take is very different (pulling out every imaginable stop to win vs f'in around with various things). That stuff might seem small but it makes for a totally different game that different people can get over in.

Lol we're comparing two rookies and you decide to bring up two random players.
It seems like it's you that doesn't understand the same stuff year after year.
When will you learn... Masai is the GOAT.
Sure, bud, could've found two rookies if you want . If you actually want to talk about this here are a couple points.

First the point I was trying to make: success in the NBA involves two things, 1) being able to put yourself physically into spots and gaps in which you can make things happen, and 2) then having the skill game to take advantage of those gaps efficiently against pro defenders at NBA speed. In the preseason (and even more so in the SL) the gaps are a little bigger and the timing on things is looser, so players who have the skill game down have more room to operate and some players who can't quite make things happen normally (either because of limited athleticism or imperfect timing/decision-making) are able to do more. Year after year we see guys showing out who actually aren't ready or won't be able to do those things in the NBA consistently once things tighten up. It's not a controversial point.

I don't really want to engage too much about the second point right now since it's something I talk about all the time, but two quick points. First it's just an ahistorical thing to believe that some people have an inherent talent to 'spot talent' that's head and shoulders above the hundreds of draft/scouting professionals; in Masai's case in particular, his draft successes were just dudes who everyone kind of liked in that same draft range and he happened to nab, but if he didn't someone else would have a few picks later. It's far more likely that Masai has had some good luck with a handful of those recent picks and has also been able to bring picks into a stable, professional culture with clear roles which historically has been the best thing for developing prospects. Second, every couple years these boards anoint a new GOAT drafter who a few years later just seems like a normal non-magic wizard who just sees what everyone else sees and fails at about the rate everyone else does. Statistically speaking games based on random luck will have people who appear to be dominating at any given time--i.e. if we're playing a game that's just flipping coins, at any given time it's likely that someone will go on a big run and appear for a while to be able to predict each coin flip. I'm not saying the draft is 100% luck--definitely not--but there's no one involved in it who doesn't acknowledge it involves a ton of luck, and it's far better to be lucky than good in the draft.
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Post#92 » by fart » Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:07 pm

It's early, but I like what I'm seeing from Okoro. It seems the front office finally got one right after repeatedly blowing high lottery picks.
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Post#93 » by LBJKB24MJ23 » Tue Dec 15, 2020 7:20 pm

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Post#94 » by Fat » Tue Dec 15, 2020 8:24 pm

Patrick williams is the guy to watch for. strong ROY candidate
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Post#95 » by tdotrep2 » Tue Dec 15, 2020 8:54 pm

JMAC3 wrote:
DAcReator wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:Malachi Flynn looks good, but he should be after being in college programs for the last 4 years. I think the Raptors found a really solid backup point guard in him, but I did not see him do anything spectacular or surprising. He has a nice a jumper, but he also is playing against a pretty bad team who is playing a bunch of guys who have no real experience playing the NBA.

Would probably take Donte Divincenzo over him right now.


Spectacular or not, you cant teach IQ and ill take his over most of the rookies ive seen thus far. plus his jumper is so reliable. youll realize when going deep into the playoffs that BBIQ trumps all


I am a fan of BBIQ, but are we talking about Flynn as player in a nutshell or Flynn as a player as the 9th guy on the Raptors. As a the 9th guy on the Raptors he is a great fit, but that does not mean I am taking him in the Lottery in a redraft.

Same with OG, he is a really good 4th or 5th option on Raptors, but that doesn't mean I want him as the number 2 option on the Cavs.

Also, Raptors won the game, but they were really outplayed in the portion of the game when it was starters vs starters.


I think most of the raptors board would be comfortable with him as our starting point guard right now, i know its crazy.
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Post#96 » by TunaFish » Tue Dec 15, 2020 9:29 pm

Facu Campazzo at 29 years of age is a rookie in the NBA. An interesting rookie:

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Post#97 » by TunaFish » Tue Dec 15, 2020 9:32 pm

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Post#98 » by basketballRob » Tue Dec 15, 2020 11:01 pm

Cole Anthony will be in the top 5 ROY, because he'll play 25 mpg and average double digits.

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Post#99 » by Roger Murdock » Tue Dec 15, 2020 11:38 pm

If you had to guess on all rookie teams who you picking?

I'd guess first team:
Okoro
Toppin
Avdija
Campazzo
Wiseman

2nd Team:
Ball
Vassell
Edwards
Williams
Haliburton

Only guys I feel confident on for 1st team are Toppin and Okoro think they have clearly defined roles they can excel at day-1.
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Post#100 » by penggemar » Wed Dec 16, 2020 12:39 am

Where's Theo Maledon?

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