Lowry's Trade Value

Post #41 » by **Alfred** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:39 pm

I don't see many trades that make sense for both Toronto and the other team. Toronto is still looking to compete, and if Lowry is a good contributor, then why would they want to give him up? The only way I see him being traded is if he is included in a deal for salary purposes. Otherwise, just let him retire a Raptor.

iamworthy · Post #42 » by **iamworthy** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:43 pm

Clippers make so much sense and I hope it doesn't happen.

Vampirate · Post #43 » by **Vampirate** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:48 pm

Alfred wrote:I don't see many trades that make sense for both Toronto and the other team. Toronto is still looking to compete, and if Lowry is a good contributor, then why would they want to give him up? The only way I see him being traded is if he is included in a deal for salary purposes. Otherwise, just let him retire a Raptor.

I've been thinking (if Lowry wishes) that Lowry would be a great mentor. I just see Lowry being a part of the raptors org when he retires, but maybe i'm wrong.

Roco14 · Post #44 » by **Roco14** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:52 pm

More valuable than Holiday that's for sure. Guy was playing out of his mind and basically won a game or 2 by himself against the celtics just 3 or 4 months ago.

Post #45 » by **bisme37** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:53 pm

Kyle is a baller. Would def give Carsen Edwards and Ojeleye.

NoZoLakers · Post #46 » by **NoZoLakers** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:58 pm

Roco14 wrote:More valuable than Holiday that's for sure. Guy was playing out of his mind and basically won a game or 2 by himself against the celtics just 3 or 4 months ago.

Jrue is 5yr younger, I dont see to many teams looking to give Lowry 2-3yr deal at 30M to extend at 35 vs a 30yr old at near max

Vae Victus · Post #47 » by **Vae Victus** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:02 pm

Lowry has no meaningful trade value due to Lowry's high salary, expiring status, and TOR's absolute refusal to take on any potential 2021 cap hits as shown with how their dealt with Ibaka.

The market of teams truly interested in Lowry is already fairly thin, as many posters have already listed the ones most interested. Of those teams none have any assets or collection of expiring contracts able to match up to Lowry's. TOR basically missed their only chance to turn Lowry into something when PHX showed willingness to upgrade their PG position with a grizzled vet to help lead their young team, but went and got CP3 instead.

Lowry is a great player who can definitely help a team, but he's simply untradeable with his current contract and TOR's hellbent approach in getting Giannis (which is the right move).

If TOR has a treadmill season, i foresee Lowry asking to be bought out, and he'll prolly be willing to hand back a good chunk of cash so he can be let go early to hand pick his team. It's why i dont see Lowry being traded to some meh team for meager assets, Lowry has way too much cachet to be dumped wherever without asking his permission.

If Lowry gets bought out, i see him joining LAC. They have a BAE slot available (although theyll need to dump some salary due to being up on the hardcap, which they can use their DET SRPs for), and a desperate need at PG. Lowry will easily start over PatBev and become an immediate impact player and more importantly a LEADER.

LAL is another option, push Shroeder to the bench (he wont like it, but whatevs) and both the starting and bench units are gonna be lethal af.

Roco14 · Post #48 » by **Roco14** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:02 pm

NoZoLakers wrote:
Roco14 wrote:More valuable than Holiday that's for sure. Guy was playing out of his mind and basically won a game or 2 by himself against the celtics just 3 or 4 months ago.

Jrue is 5yr younger, I dont see to many teams looking to give Lowry 2-3yr deal at 30M to extend at 35 vs a 30yr old at near max

He'll be more valuable 'long term', but the bucks would be better suited to win it all this year if they had Lowry rather than Holiday. The experience at the highest level is invaluable, and anybody who is trading for a guy like Lowry wants to win this year.

iamworthy · Post #49 » by **iamworthy** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:08 pm

Schroeder is going to be a nice expiring at the trade deadline at 15.5 million.. Hmmm.

NoZoLakers · Post #50 » by **NoZoLakers** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:10 pm

Roco14 wrote:
NoZoLakers wrote:
Roco14 wrote:More valuable than Holiday that's for sure. Guy was playing out of his mind and basically won a game or 2 by himself against the celtics just 3 or 4 months ago.

Jrue is 5yr younger, I dont see to many teams looking to give Lowry 2-3yr deal at 30M to extend at 35 vs a 30yr old at near max

He'll be more valuable 'long term', but the bucks would be better suited to win it all this year if they had Lowry rather than Holiday. The experience at the highest level is invaluable, and anybody who is trading for a guy like Lowry wants to win this year.

we havent seen Jrue in the playoffs with Greek yet to make such claims and whatever Milw paid for Jrue doesnt equate to what Lowry should get in return either, Bucks were desperate and Pelicans were willing to absorb Bledose some of those picks were more than likely compensation for Pelicans to absorb him and according to your fan base Tor wouldnt want salary like Bledose in return

6ixSideSniper · Post #51 » by **6ixSideSniper** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:18 pm

Vae Victus wrote:Lowry has no meaningful trade value due to Lowry's high salary, expiring status, and TOR's absolute refusal to take on any potential 2021 cap hits as shown with how their dealt with Ibaka.

The market of teams truly interested in Lowry is already fairly thin, as many posters have already listed the ones most interested. Of those teams none have any assets or collection of expiring contracts able to match up to Lowry's. TOR basically missed their only chance to turn Lowry into something when PHX showed willingness to upgrade their PG position with a grizzled vet to help lead their young team, but went and got CP3 instead.

Lowry is a great player who can definitely help a team, but he's simply untradeable with his current contract and TOR's hellbent approach in getting Giannis (which is the right move).

If TOR has a treadmill season, i foresee Lowry asking to be bought out, and he'll prolly be willing to hand back a good chunk of cash so he can be let go early to hand pick his team. It's why i dont see Lowry being traded to some meh team for meager assets, Lowry has way too much cachet to be dumped wherever without asking his permission.

If Lowry gets bought out, i see him joining LAC. They have a BAE slot available (although theyll need to dump some salary due to being up on the hardcap, which they can use their DET SRPs for), and a desperate need at PG. Lowry will easily start over PatBev and become an immediate impact player and more importantly a LEADER.

LAL is another option, push Shroeder to the bench (he wont like it, but whatevs) and both the starting and bench units are gonna be lethal af.

Lowry on the Lakers spacing and distributing for LeBron and AD would be ridiculous. I always wanted to see Lowry play with LeBron, I always thought he was a perfect fit next to him.

Optms · Post #52 » by **Optms** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:36 pm

mademan wrote:
Optms wrote:I wouldn't give up anything. He's a FA and 34 going on 35. Would rather just sign him for peanuts in the off season if he doesn't regress.

why would he come for peanuts if he doesnt regress? Lowry's made decent money in his career, but it's not like he was a superstar who made a quarter billion. If he's still great, in a year where every team has cap space, youre gonna have to actually pay him to get him

Not on a contender. Unless he's willing to take a one year deal that is.

JShuttlesworth · Post #53 » by **JShuttlesworth** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:36 pm

I would think that if Masai can land a key free agent in 2021, he would re-sign Kyle for another Championship run. I'm just not sure how likely us landing a key free agent is. I think Masai likes Lowry and would like to keep him, assuming both sides can agree on a number.

If signing a Free Agent seems unlikely, or Masai feels Lowry won't re-sign at something that works for both sides, I could easily see Lowry being moved. I still think Masai would try and retain 2021 Cap Flexibility though, he isn't going to want bad contracts coming back that take away from our future growth plans.

The proposition of Conley + Pick(s) (which was already mentioned in here) isn't as crazy as some people think. It would allow the Raptors to get a quality veteran guard to finish the season, retain cap space, and add a pick(s). If Masai truly thinks Lowry is going to leave, it's not the worst option in the world. It would also make Utah instantly better, just in time for the playoffs.

The idea of Lowry being bought out, as mentioned in this thread, is ridiculous.

LBJKB24MJ23 · Post #54 » by **LBJKB24MJ23** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:45 pm

all contending teams should consider him, he's a winning type of player. he deserves better than what the Raptors have for him to run in Toronto this year or in the future. he will take charges, hit big shots, the intangibles. I think he takes any of the current contenders and push them to the top. limit his minutes and keep him fresh. he can be a monster with rest.

mademan · Post #55 » by **mademan** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:48 pm

With Giannis gone, Raps can now probably take longer contracts if theyre attached with real assets. I actually wouldnt mind that Dallas trade with Green/pick/bad contract

OkcSinceSGA · Post #56 » by **OkcSinceSGA** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:53 pm

Beverley+Lou+Kennard or Kabengele+future 1st rounder+the 4 2nd rounders they got from Detroit. Not bad for an expiring Raptors fans.

mademan · Post #57 » by **mademan** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:56 pm

ClipsFanSince98 wrote:Beverley+Lou+Kennard or Kabengele+future 1st rounder+the 4 2nd rounders they got from Detroit. Not bad for an expiring Raptors fans.

There's only piece there that would remain on the Raps and thats the future 1st rounder. I dont even know what 1st the Clips have to give, but i imagine it's years away. If it's reasonably protected, Raps arent gonna do it, and i see no way the Clips make it lightly protected/unprotected that far out for an expiring player.

Dont really see a Clips trade

OkcSinceSGA · Post #58 » by **OkcSinceSGA** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 7:00 pm

mademan wrote:
ClipsFanSince98 wrote:Beverley+Lou+Kennard or Kabengele+future 1st rounder+the 4 2nd rounders they got from Detroit. Not bad for an expiring Raptors fans.

There's only piece there that would remain on the Raps and thats the future 1st rounder. I dont even know what 1st the Clips have to give, but i imagine it's years away. If it's reasonably protected, Raps arent gonna do it, and i see no way the Clips make it lightly protected/unprotected that far out for an expiring player.

Dont really see a Clips trade

I mean't unprotected. Otherwise it wouldn't be fair value probably. I'm that desperate for a PG if you can't tell. I also think the Raptors absolutely do have interest in Canadian big man Kabengele. He crushed the G League last summer and has shown upside this preseason so far. He will be a really good backup big some day IMO. Bev+Lou are to make salaries work and Lou is expiring as well. Beverley is just a stop gap PG for them that will buy in defensively and hit open 3's.

VDT · Post #59 » by **VDT** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 7:05 pm

He doesnt fetch much imo. Maybe you can get back worse players on the same salary (on possibly more years) and a mediocre/bad pick. He is 35 year old on a one year contract. It is hard to see him having appeal to any team that is not in win now mode and it is hard to see what these teams could send back that would make sense for both teams. The Raptors should just keep him really unless he want to go to a contender at which point they should take whatever they can.

AZNKidd · Post #60 » by **AZNKidd** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 7:08 pm

LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:all contending teams should consider him, he's a winning type of player. he deserves better than what the Raptors have for him to run in Toronto this year or in the future. he will take charges, hit big shots, the intangibles. I think he takes any of the current contenders and push them to the top. limit his minutes and keep him fresh. he can be a monster with rest.

He very much reminds me of Chauncy Billups. Very serviceable PG with some gas in the tank. The problem is that there is simply no contender that has enough cap space to accommodate that contract, albeit expiring. He would be a good fit for Miami in terms of culture and need at the PG spot. Not sure how to make that trade happen though.