Trade Discussion 22/23

[dakomish23]

That’s some scorching hot take on Oladipo

No he won’t make this team worse
No Indiana is not looking for an all star package return
No his injury isn’t extreme
No his run as good player isn’t over. Will he ever be a top guard again? Who knows.
No, you don’t have to pay someone just b/c you traded for them

Don’t be a prisoner of the moment

I trust Carlisle with career revival for guys like Dipo, but I wouldn’t want to give more than Hardaway for him with that being said. His shot is pretty broken

Yes and yes. I'd have a different opinion for the role he'd play if it wasn't the warlock aka guard whisperer Carlisle managing it.

If THJ hovers around the 38% 3PT line and Vic struggles, hard to see why IND should expect more.

[Apz]

Havent watched indys preseason games but from what I hear he seems pretty useless. Wouldnt give thj straight up atm

[gottamakeit]

With Giannis resigning, it's time to move our expirings (James Johnson and THJ) to try to get a player from a team looking to rebuild

[Mr B]

With Giannis resigning, it's time to move our expirings (James Johnson and THJ) to try to get a player from a team looking to rebuild

Definitely at the trade deadline. Who are some good players on bad teams that the Mavs could acquire?


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[gottamakeit]

With Giannis resigning, it's time to move our expirings (James Johnson and THJ) to try to get a player from a team looking to rebuild

Definitely at the trade deadline. Who are some good players on bad teams that the Mavs could acquire?


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Zach Lavine is the first name that comes to mind. But I don't think the bulls are ready yet to depart with him unless he demands a trade.

[Mr B]

With Giannis resigning, it's time to move our expirings (James Johnson and THJ) to try to get a player from a team looking to rebuild

Definitely at the trade deadline. Who are some good players on bad teams that the Mavs could acquire?


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Zach Lavine is the first name that comes to mind. But I don't think the bulls are ready yet to depart with him unless he demands a trade.

Zach Levine would be a good target offensively but I know there are some concerns about his ability/desire to play defense. What about Wendell Carter? I remember the Mavs having interest in him in the draft. Or Lauri Markkenen?


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[B8RcDeMktfxC]

I wouldn't do THJ for Oladipo today. The downside is too high and any upside is too uncertain.

[BlazersBroncos]

With Giannis gone I like the Kyle Lowry fit. Resign THJ and Richardson and add a playoff tested vet who does the little things and sets a great tone in Kyle. Hopefully his age drives the cost down. And try to get all these deals to expire the same time as KP so another window opens down the road.

[gottamakeit]

With Giannis gone I like the Kyle Lowry fit. Resign THJ and Richardson and add a playoff tested vet who does the little things and sets a great tone in Kyle. Hopefully his age drives the cost down. And try to get all these deals to expire the same time as KP so another window opens down the road.

I have a feeling Toronto isn't going to blow it up. They had contingency plans for Giannis resigning. They'll find some options in the upcoming free agency and find a way to compete in the playoffs. I think Lowry & the F/O want him to retire there.

[gottamakeit]

Definitely at the trade deadline. Who are some good players on bad teams that the Mavs could acquire?


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Zach Lavine is the first name that comes to mind. But I don't think the bulls are ready yet to depart with him unless he demands a trade.

Zach Levine would be a good target offensively but I know there are some concerns about his ability/desire to play defense. What about Wendell Carter? I remember the Mavs having interest in him in the draft. Or Lauri Markkenen?


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I wasn't aware how bad he is on defense. Makes me reconsider wanting him here. Its hard to hide 2 subpar defensive players.

[ejs78]

Not a great defender, but let's remember that he's still very athletic and the franchises he's played for.

Zach Lavine is the first name that comes to mind. But I don't think the bulls are ready yet to depart with him unless he demands a trade.

Zach Levine would be a good target offensively but I know there are some concerns about his ability/desire to play defense. What about Wendell Carter? I remember the Mavs having interest in him in the draft. Or Lauri Markkenen?


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I wasn't aware how bad he is on defense. Makes me reconsider wanting him here. Its hard to hide 2 subpar defensive players.

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[dakomish23]

If PHI decides to do a Simmons for Harden deal and HOU prefers to tear it down further and not keep him, go all in on that guy. Perfect fit IMO and has been a trade target I had for DAL for a year now.

My question is the CBA - if he has a rookie max extension and KP has one, does that impact giving Doncic one?

[JD45]

The more I think about the summer cap room, the more I think Otto Porter is the best fit of what is likely to be available.

Good defender and career 40% 3 pt shooter. Doesn't seem to have any ambition to be "The Man." He has struggled with injuries the last 2 years, but is only 27. And the Bulls have drafted Patrick Williams, who seems to be targeted at the SF position.

There is some chemistry concerns with him as well. He has a reputation as being a party guy first, with basketball a lower priority. But the stats show is is a good defender and can shoot. So that might be enough.

[dakomish23]

If PHI decides to do a Simmons for Harden deal and HOU prefers to tear it down further and not keep him, go all in on that guy. Perfect fit IMO and has been a trade target I had for DAL for a year now.

My question is the CBA - if he has a rookie max extension and KP has one, does that impact giving Doncic one?

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Does anyone know the answer to the CBA question?

[arkuo]

If Houston is having a firesale after trading out James Harden, I wouldn't be opposed to sending them THJ's expiring contract for Eric Gordon + PJ Tucker. Both fit the 3&D mold and add a lot of toughness. Tucker can start at PF too.

[leolozon]

I don't know why people are looking at SGs and SFs when the team needs a PF or a C. KP is injury prone and Kleber is the 2nd best option... I like him, but he should be the 3rd big man. DFS is playing at PF, but he's not strong enough to guard guys like LeBron or even Kawhi.

I think they completely missed the boat on Wood. If the Bulls are done with WCJ, that could be a good option. Or go all in on Gobert. They need someone big enough to defend PFs and C's, because even KP isn't strong enough and will get bullied. There aren't a lot of great options available.

IMO, Luka, JRich, DFS and THJ are potentially good enough to cover the PG to SF position on a championship team + Green has potential to be in the Sg-SF rotation and he should be given a chance. Jalen still potentially can be the back up PG.

The problem is the front court : replacing the Powell minutes, giving slightly less responsibility to Kleber, covering ourselves if KP can't play.

[arkuo]

Do you think Oladipo in his current state will be an upgrade over THJ? If yes, then we should look at him too. That's an upgrade who can play both ends of the floor. It's not the 90s anymore. It's a guard oriented league. You win in the playoff with elite wings.

think about it. Oladipo for our cap space. Sign one of Olynyk or Theis for the full MLE. Oladipo can have the same improved play effect that Richardson has right now. It's playing with Luka that opens things up.

C- Porzingis / Powell / WCS
PF- Kleber / Theis
SF- Oladipo / DFS / Bey
SG- Richardson / Burke / Green
PG - Doncic / Brunson / Terry

[Teffer10]

Do you think Oladipo in his current state will be an upgrade over THJ? If yes, then we should look at him too. That's an upgrade who can play both ends of the floor. It's not the 90s anymore. It's a guard oriented league. You win in the playoff with elite wings.

think about it. Oladipo for our cap space. Sign one of Olynyk or Theis for the full MLE. Oladipo can have the same improved play effect that Richardson has right now. It's playing with Luka that opens things up.

C- Porzingis / Powell / WCS
PF- Kleber / Theis
SF- Oladipo / DFS / Bey
SG- Richardson / Burke / Green
PG - Doncic / Brunson / Terry

From a risk management perspective, I don't like a THJ for VO deal.
With KP's injury history, we don't need to basically double the risk factor by adding another part-timer.
Say what you want about Timmy but the guy has been available and does produce for this team. JRich takes some of the offensive pressure off of THJ because if he is having a bad night, JRich is capable of taking up the slack. Brunson and Burke can help in that regard as well.
We can live with a bad quarter or game from THJ but VO could easily be out for weeks and that could kill us...especially if KP is out as well.

[Teffer10]

I don't know why people are looking at SGs and SFs when the team needs a PF or a C. KP is injury prone and Kleber is the 2nd best option... I like him, but he should be the 3rd big man. DFS is playing at PF, but he's not strong enough to guard guys like LeBron or even Kawhi.

I think they completely missed the boat on Wood. If the Bulls are done with WCJ, that could be a good option. Or go all in on Gobert. They need someone big enough to defend PFs and C's, because even KP isn't strong enough and will get bullied. There aren't a lot of great options available.

IMO, Luka, JRich, DFS and THJ are potentially good enough to cover the PG to SF position on a championship team + Green has potential to be in the Sg-SF rotation and he should be given a chance. Jalen still potentially can be the back up PG.

The problem is the front court : replacing the Powell minutes, giving slightly less responsibility to Kleber, covering ourselves if KP can't play.

Completely agree and if we are giving up THJ, I'd go for a guy like Gordon.

[BlueSan]

I don't know why people are looking at SGs and SFs when the team needs a PF or a C. KP is injury prone and Kleber is the 2nd best option... I like him, but he should be the 3rd big man. DFS is playing at PF, but he's not strong enough to guard guys like LeBron or even Kawhi.

I think they completely missed the boat on Wood. If the Bulls are done with WCJ, that could be a good option. Or go all in on Gobert. They need someone big enough to defend PFs and C's, because even KP isn't strong enough and will get bullied. There aren't a lot of great options available.

IMO, Luka, JRich, DFS and THJ are potentially good enough to cover the PG to SF position on a championship team + Green has potential to be in the Sg-SF rotation and he should be given a chance. Jalen still potentially can be the back up PG.

The problem is the front court : replacing the Powell minutes, giving slightly less responsibility to Kleber, covering ourselves if KP can't play.

Well they did miss the boat on Wood. And one of the main reasons they missed it was because well...currently no cap space and next year is a little too late.