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Re: Around the NBA - 2020-21 - Rookie Watch and other Highlight Performances 

Post#241 » by bwgood77 » Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:15 pm

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darealjuice wrote:I wouldn't get too hung up on preseason rookie stat lines. It's tough to know what to take when 75% of their production is going to be against guys that rarely see the court unless they're in the starting line-up off the bat.

I wanted Haliburton too, but I doubt that we wanted to rely on a rookie as our CP3 insurance this year. Not that I believe Payne is a better option, but rookies take time to catch up to the speed of the game, especially when it's a short offseason.


I agree with your general point, but as mentioned by Red Indian, if Paul goes down for close to 20 games which was his norm before last year, it will really kill our playoff chances, as our team sucks without a solid starting PG.

The only good thing is I feel that Booker + Moore or Galloway starting would be a lot better combo than previous backups, with the other one coming off the bench with Carter or possibly Payne. Until I see Payne more, though, I would reserve him as an emergency 5th guard (or 6th if Ty-Shon looks good), unless Payne takes major steps from previous years and looks more like his brief bubble stretch.


Yeah my point is that I doubt Haliburton is going to be at the level of player as a rookie that would get us to the playoffs if CP3 ended up getting hurt. We should have done more than Payne or a rookie point guard.


I agree but we didn't have money for that. I did want Augustin with MLE but Crowder is probably a more solid guy to get, though not as much at a position of need.

I was thinking of Haliburton as more of a guy to have post Paul, who we may have a tough time finding with only one more draft before Paul may leave, and likely limited cap space when he does, with Crowder eating into it on his 3rd year (and Saric).
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Re: Around the NBA - 2020-21 - Rookie Watch and other Highlight Performances 

Post#242 » by PharmD » Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:49 am

Wolves are an unwatchable putrid disaster. Miss you guys already!
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Re: Around the NBA - 2020-21 - Rookie Watch and other Highlight Performances 

Post#243 » by bwgood77 » Tue Dec 15, 2020 4:01 am

PharmD wrote:Wolves are an unwatchable putrid disaster. Miss you guys already!


I thought Ricky would start. Seems like that starting lineup would be a lot better with Rubio in it instead of Beasley, or possibly Okogie.

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Re: Around the NBA - 2020-21 - Rookie Watch and other Highlight Performances 

Post#244 » by PharmD » Tue Dec 15, 2020 4:16 am

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PharmD wrote:Wolves are an unwatchable putrid disaster. Miss you guys already!


I thought Ricky would start. Seems like that starting lineup would be a lot better with Rubio in it instead of Beasley, or possibly Okogie.

The timberwolves offense so far is one guy hunting his shot while everyone else stands perfectly still watching. It's like watching open gym rather than NBA basketball. It's so, so ugly so far. Gonna be a long year!
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Re: Around the NBA - 2020-21 - Rookie Watch and other Highlight Performances 

Post#245 » by lilfishi22 » Tue Dec 15, 2020 4:17 am

PharmD wrote:Wolves are an unwatchable putrid disaster. Miss you guys already!

How was the #1 pick?
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Post#246 » by PharmD » Tue Dec 15, 2020 4:27 am

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PharmD wrote:Wolves are an unwatchable putrid disaster. Miss you guys already!

How was the #1 pick?

The fanbase is making "I'm not panicking yet" posts.
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Re: Around the NBA - 2020-21 - Rookie Watch and other Highlight Performances 

Post#247 » by darealjuice » Tue Dec 15, 2020 4:30 am

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PharmD wrote:Wolves are an unwatchable putrid disaster. Miss you guys already!

How was the #1 pick?

The fanbase is making "I'm not panicking yet" posts.


Lol that bad huh
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Re: Around the NBA - 2020-21 - Rookie Watch and other Highlight Performances 

Post#248 » by Qwigglez » Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:06 am

Unfortunate for Rubio. I really enjoyed him with the Suns, and I feel the offense was definitely built around his skillset. Rubio off the bench is a recipe for disaster. Rubio needs high level players next to him IMO.
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Re: Around the NBA - 2020-21 - Rookie Watch and other Highlight Performances 

Post#249 » by RedIndian » Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:21 am

darealjuice wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
darealjuice wrote:I wouldn't get too hung up on preseason rookie stat lines. It's tough to know what to take when 75% of their production is going to be against guys that rarely see the court unless they're in the starting line-up off the bat.

I wanted Haliburton too, but I doubt that we wanted to rely on a rookie as our CP3 insurance this year. Not that I believe Payne is a better option, but rookies take time to catch up to the speed of the game, especially when it's a short offseason.


I agree with your general point, but as mentioned by Red Indian, if Paul goes down for close to 20 games which was his norm before last year, it will really kill our playoff chances, as our team sucks without a solid starting PG.

The only good thing is I feel that Booker + Moore or Galloway starting would be a lot better combo than previous backups, with the other one coming off the bench with Carter or possibly Payne. Until I see Payne more, though, I would reserve him as an emergency 5th guard (or 6th if Ty-Shon looks good), unless Payne takes major steps from previous years and looks more like his brief bubble stretch.


Yeah my point is that I doubt Haliburton is going to be at the level of player as a rookie that would get us to the playoffs if CP3 ended up getting hurt. We should have done more than Payne or a rookie point guard.
While I agree with you that rooks take time to acclimatize to the league, the idea that rooks can't play a big role on a winning team simply isn't correct.

You simply need to look at what Tyler Herro did for Miami last year. And this wasn't some highly touted can't miss prospect - just a well rounded high IQ guy who could pass, handle and shoot. Pretty similar to Haliburton's skillset actually.
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Re: Around the NBA - 2020-21 - Rookie Watch and other Highlight Performances 

Post#250 » by lilfishi22 » Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:26 am

PharmD wrote:
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PharmD wrote:Wolves are an unwatchable putrid disaster. Miss you guys already!

How was the #1 pick?

The fanbase is making "I'm not panicking yet" posts.

Sheesh...

Reminds me of our #1 pick. We've slowly transitioned from the "I'm not panicking yet" to "he's still pretty good"
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Post#251 » by sunskerr » Tue Dec 15, 2020 7:19 am

Rubio should be starting. Horrible decision to bring him off the bench. What the heck are they doing in Minny? DLo at point guard is literally a worse version of Booker at point guard. The Wolves had an entire year of watching Rubio play with Booker. We figured it out for them :lol:

You bring Malik Beasley off the bench to lead them and dice up opposing benches with his offensive skills. You don't cram him into the starters as another bad defender next to DLo to take shots away from Towns and DLo.

Also Jacob Layman starting out of literally nowhere...geez. Like why are they even considering that?

Tell you what, if they want to bring Rubio off the bench for 26 mpg we'll take him off their hands as our own backup and insurance for CP3. Get it done Jones.
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Post#252 » by RedIndian » Tue Dec 15, 2020 7:56 am

Another rookie looking like he belongs:

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Post#253 » by WeekapaugGroove » Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:59 pm

sunskerr wrote:Rubio should be starting. Horrible decision to bring him off the bench. What the heck are they doing in Minny? DLo at point guard is literally a worse version of Booker at point guard. The Wolves had an entire year of watching Rubio play with Booker. We figured it out for them

You bring Malik Beasley off the bench to lead them and dice up opposing benches with his offensive skills. You don't cram him into the starters as another bad defender next to DLo to take shots away from Towns and DLo.

Also Jacob Layman starting out of literally nowhere...geez. Like why are they even considering that?

Tell you what, if they want to bring Rubio off the bench for 26 mpg we'll take him off their hands as our own backup and insurance for CP3. Get it done Jones.
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Re: Around the NBA - 2020-21 - Rookie Watch and other Highlight Performances 

Post#254 » by MrMiyagi » Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:07 pm

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sunskerr wrote:Rubio should be starting. Horrible decision to bring him off the bench. What the heck are they doing in Minny? DLo at point guard is literally a worse version of Booker at point guard. The Wolves had an entire year of watching Rubio play with Booker. We figured it out for them

You bring Malik Beasley off the bench to lead them and dice up opposing benches with his offensive skills. You don't cram him into the starters as another bad defender next to DLo to take shots away from Towns and DLo.

Also Jacob Layman starting out of literally nowhere...geez. Like why are they even considering that?

Tell you what, if they want to bring Rubio off the bench for 26 mpg we'll take him off their hands as our own backup and insurance for CP3. Get it done Jones.
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Post#255 » by WeekapaugGroove » Tue Dec 15, 2020 8:21 pm

Giannis signing his super max is a stomach punch for the Mavs who definitely wanted to chase him next year and him and Luka would have been frightening together.

Curious where they turn now because Im skeptical Porzingis is the number 2 guy if they truly want to contend.

Side note with all the extensions next year's FA class is depleted.

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Post#256 » by bigfoot » Tue Dec 15, 2020 8:37 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:Giannis signing his super max is a stomach punch for the Mavs who definitely wanted to chase him next year and him and Luka would have been frightening together.

Curious where they turn now because Im skeptical Porzingis is the number 2 guy if they truly want to contend.

Side note with all the extensions next year's FA class is depleted.

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Post#257 » by sunsbg » Tue Dec 15, 2020 8:55 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:Giannis signing his super max is a stomach punch for the Mavs who definitely wanted to chase him next year and him and Luka would have been frightening together.

Curious where they turn now because Im skeptical Porzingis is the number 2 guy if they truly want to contend.

Side note with all the extensions next year's FA class is depleted.

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I was almost 100% sure Giannis is leaving after the Bogdan fiasco and recent headlines of no urgency to sign the extension.

From what I have read Gobert is considered as plan B for the Mavs.
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Post#258 » by BobbieL » Tue Dec 15, 2020 9:37 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:Giannis signing his super max is a stomach punch for the Mavs who definitely wanted to chase him next year and him and Luka would have been frightening together.

Curious where they turn now because Im skeptical Porzingis is the number 2 guy if they truly want to contend.

Side note with all the extensions next year's FA class is depleted.

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I posted in the other thread but one would have to think that Pat Riley is on the horn now with the Rockets as well as the Bucks with Houston

Riley was saving cap space for Giannis (hence all the one year deals with team options in Year 2) but with that gone -- have to think he will be calling about Harden

I would think the Rockets would ask about Bam but as ZachLowe said in his podcast or article, the name to watch is Herro.

Would Herro, Nunn, cap filler and draft picks get it done over a Middleton, DiVicenzo trade ?

Or does this force Morey to say "sure, we will include Ben or Joel for Harden"
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Post#259 » by bwgood77 » Tue Dec 15, 2020 9:41 pm

BobbieL wrote:From the Twitter feed of Shams Charania - this would be a Sham Shot:

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Let the Harden to Milwaukee speculation begin

Divi and Middleton for Harden

and of course, Riles will be on line 1 knowing he can't get Giannis

I would ask for Herro and Adebayo but would probably take Herro, Nunn and Olynyk and Andre to fill the cap figures

And does Morety - if Riley is calling Houston - be more willing to trade Simmon or Embid

fascinating what will happen but my guess Harden goes EAst by Christmas


They can't trade for Harden. It's not possible with the hard cap...I saw a writeup on this. I think maybe the exception is if they include Lopez in addition to Middleton.

I know Brook Lopez shouldn't prevent you from trading for Harden, but their depth would be shallow, and Lopez is the absolute perfect C fit with Giannis.
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Post#260 » by BobbieL » Tue Dec 15, 2020 9:51 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
BobbieL wrote:From the Twitter feed of Shams Charania - this would be a Sham Shot:

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Let the Harden to Milwaukee speculation begin

Divi and Middleton for Harden

and of course, Riles will be on line 1 knowing he can't get Giannis

I would ask for Herro and Adebayo but would probably take Herro, Nunn and Olynyk and Andre to fill the cap figures

And does Morety - if Riley is calling Houston - be more willing to trade Simmon or Embid

fascinating what will happen but my guess Harden goes EAst by Christmas


They can't trade for Harden. It's not possible with the hard cap...I saw a writeup on this. I think maybe the exception is if they include Lopez in addition to Middleton.

I know Brook Lopez shouldn't prevent you from trading for Harden, but their depth would be shallow, and Lopez is the absolute perfect C fit with Giannis.


I wouldn't include Brook Lopez for Harden. Crazy as it sounds but you are right - they need what Lopez brings next to him.

Seems like its the Heat, Sixers and Nets maybe for Harden at this point if the Rockets are going to move him

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