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Giannis signing an extension was always the likely outcome, especially after the Bucks landed Jrue.
This is precisely why you build your through the draft and develop players. FA is what you use to augment the talent and take you to that next level.
This is precisely why you build your through the draft and develop players. FA is what you use to augment the talent and take you to that next level.
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Mbrahv0528 wrote:He didn't look bad, your basketball analysis is what's off. Good grief. Consistently have these blanket hot takes, one would think that one would evolve at some point.cjbulls wrote:The Force. wrote:
Not sure what you mean. P-Will put up 12 and 13 respectively, which is pretty much on-par with everyone else, aside from Okoro, who looks to be slightly ahead of everyone at the moment.
Oh, you’re right. I didn’t even realize PW put up 13. He looked so bad I never would have figured it. That’s somewhat impressive in its own right.
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If you thought that performance was anything but bad, I can’t help you. It’s ok to say he’s a rookie and it’s early preseason and it’s just one game. All justified reasons we shouldn’t care in the grand scheme of his evaluation. But it was a bad game, unlike the first which was good.
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troza wrote:With the Giannis extension we are sure now that probably we will see the Lakers at the top for a while... and that the Bulls so far are doing the correct thing: see the value of what they have, turn them into a good team or assets... but it seems we will have to bet on draft for a while.
Despite the early struggles, I’m not convinced we’re going to be bad enough to rely on the draft. We may have to hope for more injuries, which isn’t that big of an ask for this team.
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Relying on the draft doesn't mean you have to pick top 3-4 to build.
It means you have to find guys that you can develop and fit your system.
AK helped build the Nuggets and #4 is a higher pick than he ever had in Denver.
It means you have to find guys that you can develop and fit your system.
AK helped build the Nuggets and #4 is a higher pick than he ever had in Denver.
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MrFortune3 wrote:Giannis signing an extension was always the likely outcome, especially after the Bucks landed Jrue.
This is precisely why you build your through the draft and develop players. FA is what you use to augment the talent and take you to that next level.
The Bucks have 4 players on their team they drafted. Giannis was drafted 15th, every other significant player was acquired via trade or free agency.
But yeah, gotta build through the draft.
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drosestruts wrote:MrFortune3 wrote:Giannis signing an extension was always the likely outcome, especially after the Bucks landed Jrue.
This is precisely why you build your through the draft and develop players. FA is what you use to augment the talent and take you to that next level.
The Bucks have 4 players on their team they drafted. Giannis was drafted 15th, every other significant player was acquired via trade or free agency.
But yeah, gotta build through the draft.
The Bucks built the core of their team from the draft. Giannis, Middleton(my mistake, Middleton was drafted by the Pistons), Brogdon were all draft picks of the Bucks that started their initial run.
Warriors were the same way when they were built.
They added pieces via trade & FA but the core was built through the draft initially.
Same thing with the Nuggets now. Spurs back in the day and etc. Yes you can grab guys via FA and via trade but in most cases it starts with the draft and player development.
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drosestruts wrote:MrFortune3 wrote:Giannis signing an extension was always the likely outcome, especially after the Bucks landed Jrue.
This is precisely why you build your through the draft and develop players. FA is what you use to augment the talent and take you to that next level.
The Bucks have 4 players on their team they drafted. Giannis was drafted 15th, every other significant player was acquired via trade or free agency.
But yeah, gotta build through the draft.
To be fair, the whole reason they’re a contender is because of that one draft pick. And that player would not be on the team if not essentially required to be for his first five years under the CBA’s drafting rules.
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Giannis got his money and deservedly so and the Bucks keep their franchise player for now. Does anybody really expect him to stay all five years though? Well before his opt-out in year four I could see him forcing a trade. If the Bucks don't win a title in the next two seasons I could easily see him forcing his way out.
Losing to get high draft picks and hoping they turn into franchise players is not some next level, genius move. That's what teams want to happen in any rebuild/tank or whatever you want to market it as.
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MrFortune3 wrote:drosestruts wrote:MrFortune3 wrote:Giannis signing an extension was always the likely outcome, especially after the Bucks landed Jrue.
This is precisely why you build your through the draft and develop players. FA is what you use to augment the talent and take you to that next level.
The Bucks have 4 players on their team they drafted. Giannis was drafted 15th, every other significant player was acquired via trade or free agency.
But yeah, gotta build through the draft.
The Bucks built the core of their team from the draft. Giannis, Middleton, Brogdon were all draft picks of the Bucks that started their initial run.
Warriors were the same way when they were built.
They added pieces via trade & FA but the core was built through the draft initially.
Same thing with the Nuggets now. Spurs back in the day and etc. Yes you can grab guys via FA and via trade but in most cases it starts with the draft and player development.
Middleton was drafted by the Pistons and was traded to the Bucks a year later.
The only lesson here is it's awesome to draft a superstar and you can find them anywhere in the draft and tanking isn't necessary. Which we should have know since we drafted Jimmy Butler 30th, but then we traded him because we chose Hoiberg over Butler.
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MrFortune3 wrote:Giannis signing an extension was always the likely outcome, especially after the Bucks landed Jrue.
This is precisely why you build your through the draft and develop players. FA is what you use to augment the talent and take you to that next level.
Seeing how most fans on this board approach is draft and dump after two years, it's highly unlikely that would happen with the Bulls.
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drosestruts wrote:MrFortune3 wrote:drosestruts wrote:
The Bucks have 4 players on their team they drafted. Giannis was drafted 15th, every other significant player was acquired via trade or free agency.
But yeah, gotta build through the draft.
The Bucks built the core of their team from the draft. Giannis, Middleton, Brogdon were all draft picks of the Bucks that started their initial run.
Warriors were the same way when they were built.
They added pieces via trade & FA but the core was built through the draft initially.
Same thing with the Nuggets now. Spurs back in the day and etc. Yes you can grab guys via FA and via trade but in most cases it starts with the draft and player development.
Middleton was drafted by the Pistons and was traded to the Bucks a year later.
The only lesson here is it's awesome to draft a superstar and you can find them anywhere in the draft and tanking isn't necessary. Which we should have know since we drafted Jimmy Butler 30th, but then we traded him because we chose Hoiberg over Butler.
I keep forgetting about the Jennings trade. My fault.
Still, if you don't build your team via the draft you will have to do it via trade or FA and both are far more costly.
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This piped in crowd noise.... not a fan.
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Meh- I don't expect the Bucks to ever win a chip with this roster barre a fluke (injuries to Durant, Tatum, Lebron, Kawhi, etc.). They don't have a bail-out guard who can close a game with the ball in his hands. I have the Celtics, Heat, and Nets over them in R2 or ECFs.
I thought they jumped the gun with some of their trades, but hey: Giannis resigned, so they sleep easy. I think they struck out with the Bledsoe extension, letting Brogdon go, and if the Middleton overpay wasn't enough, this Jrue trade was a real asset-killer. I just don't know what's left to work with. Nets' depth chart is deep.
I thought they jumped the gun with some of their trades, but hey: Giannis resigned, so they sleep easy. I think they struck out with the Bledsoe extension, letting Brogdon go, and if the Middleton overpay wasn't enough, this Jrue trade was a real asset-killer. I just don't know what's left to work with. Nets' depth chart is deep.
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MrFortune3 wrote:Relying on the draft doesn't mean you have to pick top 3-4 to build.
It means you have to find guys that you can develop and fit your system.
AK helped build the Nuggets and #4 is a higher pick than he ever had in Denver.
Denver got lucky.
It's not clear how much of a "good example" Denver would be if they didn't land a superstar in the 2nd round.
It honestly seems a bit hubristic to act like we're just going to be able to internally develop our way to the top.
If/when this team disappoints this season, we really should make major roster moves to purge the existing "core".
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MrFortune3 wrote:drosestruts wrote:MrFortune3 wrote:Giannis signing an extension was always the likely outcome, especially after the Bucks landed Jrue.
This is precisely why you build your through the draft and develop players. FA is what you use to augment the talent and take you to that next level.
The Bucks have 4 players on their team they drafted. Giannis was drafted 15th, every other significant player was acquired via trade or free agency.
But yeah, gotta build through the draft.
The Bucks built the core of their team from the draft. Giannis, Middleton, Brogdon were all draft picks of the Bucks that started their initial run.
Warriors were the same way when they were built.
They added pieces via trade & FA but the core was built through the draft initially.
Same thing with the Nuggets now. Spurs back in the day and etc. Yes you can grab guys via FA and via trade but in most cases it starts with the draft and player development.
Except for Middleton was drafted by the Pistons and Brogdon isn't on the team. Their main core outside of Giannis was all FA or trades. Their only other rotation player that they drafted is Divencenzo.
Drafting a superstar is a great start.
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I'm sure teams are lining up to trade for him now. Houston is screwed.
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TheSuzerain wrote:MrFortune3 wrote:Relying on the draft doesn't mean you have to pick top 3-4 to build.
It means you have to find guys that you can develop and fit your system.
AK helped build the Nuggets and #4 is a higher pick than he ever had in Denver.
Denver got lucky.
It's not clear how much of a "good example" Denver would be if they didn't land a superstar in the 2nd round.
It honestly seems a bit hubristic to act like we're just going to be able to internally develop our way to the top.
If/when this team disappoints this season, we really should make major roster moves to purge the existing "core".
Denver didn't get lucky. They develop their players. It isn't just Joker.
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TheStig wrote:MrFortune3 wrote:drosestruts wrote:
The Bucks have 4 players on their team they drafted. Giannis was drafted 15th, every other significant player was acquired via trade or free agency.
But yeah, gotta build through the draft.
The Bucks built the core of their team from the draft. Giannis, Middleton, Brogdon were all draft picks of the Bucks that started their initial run.
Warriors were the same way when they were built.
They added pieces via trade & FA but the core was built through the draft initially.
Same thing with the Nuggets now. Spurs back in the day and etc. Yes you can grab guys via FA and via trade but in most cases it starts with the draft and player development.
Except for Middleton was drafted by the Pistons and Brogdon isn't on the team. Their main core outside of Giannis was all FA or trades. Their only other rotation player that they drafted is Divencenzo.
Drafting a superstar is a great start.
Yeah, I answered the mistake of labelling Middleton a Bucks draft pick after the first poster brought it up.
I didn't say Brogdon was still on the team, I said their initial core was built with those 3 players.
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MrFortune3 wrote:TheStig wrote:MrFortune3 wrote:
The Bucks built the core of their team from the draft. Giannis, Middleton, Brogdon were all draft picks of the Bucks that started their initial run.
Warriors were the same way when they were built.
They added pieces via trade & FA but the core was built through the draft initially.
Same thing with the Nuggets now. Spurs back in the day and etc. Yes you can grab guys via FA and via trade but in most cases it starts with the draft and player development.
Except for Middleton was drafted by the Pistons and Brogdon isn't on the team. Their main core outside of Giannis was all FA or trades. Their only other rotation player that they drafted is Divencenzo.
Drafting a superstar is a great start.
Yeah, I answered the mistake of labelling Middleton a Bucks draft pick after the first poster brought it up.
I didn't say Brogdon was still on the team, I said their initial core was built with those 3 players.
I don't even think Brogdon would have been in their top 3. Bledsoe was the guy who played a bigger role through their time on the Bucks and they chose to keep him over Brogdan.







