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[drone3]

I know people are pointing at Brook and Donte, but those guys have a pretty good chance of working out. Forbes and Craig are the guys I'm not sure about, they obviously need more play time to gel, but Merrill and Nwora just seem better in multiple ways.

[Daver]

I know people are pointing at Brook and Donte, but those guys have a pretty good chance of working out. Forbes and Craig are the guys I'm not sure about, they obviously need more play time to gel, but Merrill and Nwora just seem better in multiple ways.

You are going to need much more from donte than what he has showed in these first 2 games.
He hasnt done crap shot still not there bad passing need much more than that from your starting SG than 5 points a game JMO

[trublu]

If we're still looking for 3 pt shooting, the 76ers have waived Ryan Broekhoff. Great shooter and will give you 110%, 100% of the time.

[coolhandluke121]

I know people are pointing at Brook and Donte, but those guys have a pretty good chance of working out. Forbes and Craig are the guys I'm not sure about, they obviously need more play time to gel, but Merrill and Nwora just seem better in multiple ways.

Since the pandemic began, DDV has had more bad games each week than he had in almost the entire season before the bubble. Not sure what that's about (theories: wasn't in shape during the bubble, plays better as a "follower" on good teams but struggles when the team struggles) but it is certainly too early to call him a bad player.

The reasons I'd be okay with trading him at this point are because I see a bad fit in the starting lineup, I think they can get away with playing specialists like Forbes, Merrill, and Craig, I worry about more growing pains while they're trying to compete for titles, and I think DDV + Brook could be the key to having salary and assets to get one more really good player. DDV could become one and Brook was one, but right now I'd feel a lot better with an upgrade at one of those spots.

I wonder how far off Brook + DDV would be for Vucevic? I think it would be a little too much to give up for Myles Turner, who I think is much better in highlights and workouts than actual games, but I wouldn't hate it.

[GoldenAntlers]

For the 2nd straight year our starting SG is going to be very mediocre. Just a feeling.

For the 20th* straight year

[Chad34]

I know people are pointing at Brook and Donte, but those guys have a pretty good chance of working out. Forbes and Craig are the guys I'm not sure about, they obviously need more play time to gel, but Merrill and Nwora just seem better in multiple ways.

Since the pandemic began, DDV has had more bad games each week than he had in almost the entire season before the bubble. Not sure what that's about (theories: wasn't in shape during the bubble, plays better as a "follower" on good teams but struggles when the team struggles) but it is certainly too early to call him a bad player.

The reasons I'd be okay with trading him at this point are because I see a bad fit in the starting lineup, I think they can get away with playing specialists like Forbes, Merrill, and Craig, I worry about more growing pains while they're trying to compete for titles, and I think DDV + Brook could be the key to having salary and assets to get one more really good player. DDV could become one and Brook was one, but right now I'd feel a lot better with an upgrade at one of those spots.

I wonder how far off Brook + DDV would be for Vucevic? I think it would be a little too much to give up for Myles Turner, who I think is much better in highlights and workouts than actual games, but I wouldn't hate it.

That would be a major upgrade if they could figure that out!! Come on hammond wheeler dealer. Would the magic consider this?

[Chad34]

what's the pro's and cons of someone like stauskas compared to ddv. In his interview he's seems pretty confident he can contribute to this team.

[WRau1]

For the 2nd straight year our starting SG is going to be very mediocre. Just a feeling.

For the 20th* straight year

More like 9 and a 1/2.

[WRau1]

Who are we shipping to IND for Oladipo in a S&T next year?

[mattg]

I think the key right away is moving Brook and DDV. Donte just isn't that good. Right now he still has perceived potential but I think it becomes clear very quickly to the rest of the league that he's just awful on offense. He flat out cannot gather the ball off the dribble which makes his athleticism pretty much nonfunctional and limits his entire offensive game since I don't see any way he ever becomes a solid off the bounce guy, both as a finisher at the rim or shooter. You're basically hoping if every break goes his way that he can be a reliable 3+D catch and shoot guy...who also has never really excelled shooting off the catch. His shot itself looks decent form wise, but to me he looks like he lacks touch on it and aims it too much. Also, I think he jumps WAYYYYY too high when he shoots and off the top of my head he likely shoots at the top of his motion when he needs to be releasing on the way up. He's an actual asset now whereas at the trade deadline or offseason you could be looking at a dude with literally zero value. He's pretty much our only cheap avenue to include to improve the team. I love the idea of Donte, and his defensive footwork/hustle/energy are big time winning traits, but I worry that that isn't enough, and we unfortunately don't have the luxury to take that chance now IMO.

Brook I think just is a liability vs good teams. Drop coverage is fine for the course of the season, but it is absolutely not an option vs top teams in the playoffs. It will get burned nonstop which we have already seen multiple occasions. And Lopez ropes you into playing that scheme because otherwise he can't be on the court. I just don't see the value in him whatsoever when you could platoon dudes to do the exact same **** he does except they make a fraction of his salary and don't make you feel obligated to play a scheme that is a decade out of date. Lopez spacing is overrated because teams don't even guard him out there so it's not like he's actually pulling a help defender away from the paint for Giannis. He's one of those guys that on paper the theory of Lopez sounds much better than reality. Bud and his staff are sitting there with a dumb grin rubbing their hands together like "ha we are forcing these teams to take all these mid range shots that are so bad analytically" not realizing that all the other top tier teams acquired key players with skillsets specifically designed to absolutely eviscerate drop coverage. Us having a better macro team shot profile goes out the window when other teams are "forced" to take 8 "bad" shots which in reality end up as completely wide open floaters that opponents have been well practiced in since middle school.

We need someone to play center though because Giannis isn't that guy, he doesn't want that cuz he gets beat up banging with true bigs and doesn't view himself in that way so he doesn't do any fundamental big man things that a team needs (awful screener, not great off ball as someone who threatens the rim because of his magnetism towards the ball.

[coolhandluke121]

I wonder how far off Brook + DDV would be for Vucevic? I think it would be a little too much to give up for Myles Turner, who I think is much better in highlights and workouts than actual games, but I wouldn't hate it.

That would be a major upgrade if they could figure that out!! Come on hammond wheeler dealer. Would the magic consider this?

Doubt it, but at least Hammond might be able to say he brought a title to the Bucks after all these years.

I think Indy loves a Brook + DDV for Myles deal. I think outside fans like Myles but the Pacers and their fans who see him every game know he's not actually that good. I think there's a reason they're ready to move on. But I don't think Brook is that good either, and at least Myles is younger.

[bigdog34]

Are we still thinking something could happen before this season starts?

[coolhandluke121]

I think the key right away is moving Brook and DDV. Donte just isn't that good. Right now he still has perceived potential but I think it becomes clear very quickly to the rest of the league that he's just awful on offense. He flat out cannot gather the ball off the dribble which makes his athleticism pretty much nonfunctional and limits his entire offensive game since I don't see any way he ever becomes a solid off the bounce guy, both as a finisher at the rim or shooter. You're basically hoping if every break goes his way that he can be a reliable 3+D catch and shoot guy...who also has never really excelled shooting off the catch. His shot itself looks decent form wise, but to me he looks like he lacks touch on it and aims it too much. Also, I think he jumps WAYYYYY too high when he shoots and off the top of my head he likely shoots at the top of his motion when he needs to be releasing on the way up. He's an actual asset now whereas at the trade deadline or offseason you could be looking at a dude with literally zero value. He's pretty much our only cheap avenue to include to improve the team. I love the idea of Donte, and his defensive footwork/hustle/energy are big time winning traits, but I worry that that isn't enough, and we unfortunately don't have the luxury to take that chance now IMO.

Brook I think just is a liability vs good teams. Drop coverage is fine for the course of the season, but it is absolutely not an option vs top teams in the playoffs. It will get burned nonstop which we have already seen multiple occasions. And Lopez ropes you into playing that scheme because otherwise he can't be on the court. I just don't see the value in him whatsoever when you could platoon dudes to do the exact same **** he does except they make a fraction of his salary and don't make you feel obligated to play a scheme that is a decade out of date. Lopez spacing is overrated because teams don't even guard him out there so it's not like he's actually pulling a help defender away from the paint for Giannis. He's one of those guys that on paper the theory of Lopez sounds much better than reality. Bud and his staff are sitting there with a dumb grin rubbing their hands together like "ha we are forcing these teams to take all these mid range shots that are so bad analytically" not realizing that all the other top tier teams acquired key players with skillsets specifically designed to absolutely eviscerate drop coverage. Us having a better macro team shot profile goes out the window when other teams are "forced" to take 8 "bad" shots which in reality end up as completely wide open floaters that opponents have been well practiced in since middle school.

We need someone to play center though because Giannis isn't that guy, he doesn't want that cuz he gets beat up banging with true bigs and doesn't view himself in that way so he doesn't do any fundamental big man things that a team needs (awful screener, not great off ball as someone who threatens the rim because of his magnetism towards the ball.

I agree 100% about every single thing here except DDV potentially losing all value. He's essentially played just one full season so far and he was good for most of it. I think he tried to take on a bigger role on offense in the bubble because so many other guys were struggling, and it was predictably a disaster. I saw him forcing a lot of stuff in the preseason games as well, which he didn't do before the pandemic. I don't know if that's permanent or if he'll go back to being a great complementary piece when the team starts clicking again, but I'll still have hopes for him at this stage. I'm fine with trading him because they can't afford any more growing pains in the playoffs though.

But what's out there for Brook + DDV? In theory it's a great package for getting an upgrade somewhere, but I'm not sure the right player with matching salary is on the market right now.

[mattg]

I agree 100% about every single thing here except DDV potentially losing all value. He's essentially played just one full season so far and he was good for most of it. I think he tried to take on a bigger role on offense in the bubble because so many other guys were struggling, and it was predictably a disaster. I saw him forcing a lot of stuff in the preseason games as well, which he didn't do before the pandemic. I don't know if that's permanent or if he'll go back to being a great complementary piece when the team starts clicking again, but I'll still have hopes for him at this stage. I'm fine with trading him because they can't afford any more growing pains in the playoffs though.

But what's out there for Brook + DDV? In theory it's a great package for getting an upgrade somewhere, but I'm not sure the right player with matching salary is on the market right now.

I'm not sure what's out there.

I don't hate the deal someone mentioned with Charlotte for Devonte Graham, Zeller, Carey Jr as I think Devonte would really shore up our backcourt.

Obviously I'm down for some crazy Lopez/Khris/DDV/Wilson for Harden/Tucker pipe dream.

I like the idea of getting a big that can play the Lopez role in more limited minutes while we simultaneously pick up another wing or guard that compliments our lineup in a sizeable role.

[mke_design]

Gotta believe Bud is on the hot seat.

[LittleRooster]

I agree with the above that Bud needs to adjust. We all know how that goes though.

Also, I just have the feeling we may look at Forbes and Craig and wish they were meshed into one player


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[coolhandluke121]

But what's out there for Brook + DDV? In theory it's a great package for getting an upgrade somewhere, but I'm not sure the right player with matching salary is on the market right now.

I'm not sure what's out there.

I don't hate the deal someone mentioned with Charlotte for Devonte Graham, Zeller, Carey Jr as I think Devonte would really shore up our backcourt.

Obviously I'm down for some crazy Lopez/Khris/DDV/Wilson for Harden/Tucker pipe dream.

The Charlotte deal would be fine with me but I wonder if it's good enough to justify potentially pissing Giannis off. I am 100% sure you are right about Giannis not wanting to play center, and I've been saying the same thing for a while. I don't think he wants Brook gone.

I'd legit try to keep Wilson in the Harden deal if salaries would still work. Don't care who laughs at me. I would think Giannis would understand that one, if not the Charlotte deal.

[ShootingtheJ]

what's the pro's and cons of someone like stauskas compared to ddv. In his interview he's seems pretty confident he can contribute to this team.

The con would be that Stauskas isn't even a good European player.

[JimmyTheKid]

I agree with the above that Bud needs to adjust. We all know how that goes though.

Also, I just have the feeling we may look at Forbes and Craig and wish they were meshed into one player


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Yup. We will most definitely miss Wes and George more than most realize right now. I’m nervous about this second unit. Hope there is another deal to be made.

[ShootingtheJ]

Who are we shipping to IND for Oladipo in a S&T next year?

I like the idea, even though I don't like the target, but a sign and trade triggers the hard cap, and it would be super difficult to get under the apron.