Trade Talk (Part Five)

[Klomp]

Interesting. I wonder how many total minutes he put in at center in Denver.

Not a lot, but he hasn't played a lot of minutes in general. 115 total minutes in his career.

[KGdaBom]

Interesting. I wonder how many total minutes he put in at center in Denver.

Not a lot, but he hasn't played a lot of minutes in general. 115 total minutes in his career.

I would bet on him exceeding that this year alone.

[TheZachAttack]

I don't care if Vanderbilt is a 10 or 20 in this system. He's a good player from all indications. I don't see him as KAT's backup. I could see him as a starter if he's as good as all the praise management is lavishing on him.

We will see, he would have to develop quite a bit, especially his jump shot--but by all means I hope he does. It's possible that he could get some of Culver's minutes (or Okogie's) if one of them doesn't take a step forward this year. His most direct path to immediate playing time is definitively Davis's minutes at the backup 5 and based on his game now and the Wolves system that's also the most natural position for him given his skillset.

As Layman said, there's no real difference between the 3/4 in this system aka "wing" spots. Vanderbilt is much more of a big than a wing.

As far as I know Vanderbilt has never played Center in his life. Maybe in HS.

Again, I might not even play Vanderbilt at the C if I was creating a roster...but we root for a team that has a GM and Coach that from the moment they started have clearly communicated the way that they want to construct a roster and what types of players and player skillsets fit in different positions on the roster.

Vanderbilt is 6'9 with a 7'1 wingspan, which means Ryan would tell you he has an effective height of roughly 6'11. In addition, he's extremely athletic. I think that's pretty much the exact kind of "big" the Wolves want in this system. And again, obviously you'd rather have someone who is even more traditionally center sized and just as athletic and mobile as Vanderbilt--but that doesn't often happen.

[Chello1]

When a Harden trade goes down.... gotta hunch we are gonna be a part of the side-show aka as the 3-4th team.

This is what I've kind of hung onto as a little hope yet...in maybe 1 more chance to clean up the positional balance side of the roster. And that maybe explains the delay in the JMac deal....I get his maybe not star worthy...but definitely a piece & just seems crazy quiet on this front...maybe something has been agreed to...if patient & waiting this out? PJ Tucker rumors were real...can't see how he'd want to remain there if Harden is dealt? Culver back to TX...as something HOU can cling to from a PR side?

I feel for them...as we took our turn...but it won't end well for them. It will be interesting to see how much longer they're comfortable with it being uncomfortable (Harden...definitely took that quote as a challenge).

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Would those 4 first round picks look pretty good now if we had done that trade

[Norseman79]

Looks like Reddish has not been getting much run through two preseason games. Perhaps a player to keep an eye on. Not sure what a Collins and Reddish trade would look like, but sure am warming up to the thought.

[old school 34]

Looks like Reddish has not been getting much run through two preseason games. Perhaps a player to keep an eye on. Not sure what a Collins and Reddish trade would look like, but sure am warming up to the thought.

I'd be very interested in either of these guys if they become available....been kind of paying close attention to the extension talks for JC...another guy that might not provide as much D as we'd hope....but would give us significant size & rebounding @ the pf. JC & Reddish for Culver, Okogie, & Bolmaro or a future FRP...enough?

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[old school 34]

How twisted would guys get or feel it's too short sighted....if we went--

Culver & Okogie for PJ Tucker & a future pick?

I know we haven't looked great in 2 preseason games, but....getting 10 or being extremely competitive for that spot may go a really long ways in convincing KAT we're going somewhere at least being more competitive?

Sign JMac for that 15th spot...convert the CBJ or Cook to the other 2-way....think we'd be stronger defensively & bigger....may not have a true POA defender...but I think I'd roll the dice on something like this & if it goes horribly wrong...I should be able to move Ed & PJ @ deadline as vet expirings?

Something like:

PG--DLo/Rubio/JMac
SG--Beasley/Antman/Nowell
SF--RHJ/Layman/JMac2
PF--PJ/Juancho/Vanderbilt
C--KAT/Davis/Naz

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[theGreatRC]

I think only one time those whole preseason, I thought "Good play for an easy hoop" which was an ATO play where Edwards cut and Juancho hit him cutting...

Ryan Saunders seems a little too buddy buddy as a coach and I hope he's ready to lead these young locker room and on the sidelines and not try to be cool with them.

[old school 34]

How twisted would guys get or feel it's too short sighted....if we went--

Culver & Okogie for PJ Tucker & a future pick?

I know we haven't looked great in 2 preseason games, but....getting 10 or being extremely competitive for that spot may go a really long ways in convincing KAT we're going somewhere at least being more competitive?

Sign JMac for that 15th spot...convert the CBJ or Cook to the other 2-way....think we'd be stronger defensively & bigger....may not have a true POA defender...but I think I'd roll the dice on something like this & if it goes horribly wrong...I should be able to move Ed & PJ @ deadline as vet expirings?

Something like:

PG--DLo/Rubio/JMac
SG--Beasley/Antman/Nowell
SF--RHJ/Layman/JMac2
PF--PJ/Juancho/Vanderbilt
C--KAT/Davis/Naz

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Maybe the best way to get a future pick out of it....you add NY to it...where they throw HOU DSJ & get Okogie instead....Thibs probably would give up the DAL pick for that & HOU would get two young guys for their expiring?

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[Ripgomez46]

Long time reader don't post much. I've read a few people complaining about the Wiggins trade. I'm watching this warriors kings game I'm so happy he is gone. Just thought I would throw that out there.

[minimus]

Long time reader don't post much. I've read a few people complaining about the Wiggins trade. I'm watching this warriors kings game I'm so happy he is gone. Just thought I would throw that out there.

Some poster will spread negativity next few months, until this roster will gain some chemistry, and players start to play well together. Nothing new.

[Mamba4Goat]

The Wolves could give up the 4th overall pick, renew the GS dynasty, Wiggs could become MIP/an All Star and I’d still do that trade 100 times out of 100.

[Merc_Porto]

Is confirmed that this is a Timberwolves board.

The level of loser mentalities has reach a new other level with the last few posts lol. But tbh the last one is the funniest i ever seen in a while.

And1's for everybody!

[King Malta]

Is confirmed that this is a Timberwolves board.

The level of loser mentalities has reach a new other level with the last few posts lol. But tbh the last one is the funniest i ever seen in a while.

And1's for everybody!

Not sure why you're being such a snide **** at the moment. You can be a quality poster when you feel like it, so it's disappointing.

Either engage productively or go take a break dude, the bitchiness is unbecoming.

[Merc_Porto]

Is confirmed that this is a Timberwolves board.

The level of loser mentalities has reach a new other level with the last few posts lol. But tbh the last one is the funniest i ever seen in a while.

And1's for everybody!

Not sure why you're being such a snide **** at the moment. You can be a quality poster when you feel like it, so it's disappointing.

Either engage productively or go take a break dude, the bitchiness is unbecoming.

Come on man. The guy just said if we end up giving the 4th overrall pick to GSW and Wiggins ends up being the MIP it was still a good trade. This is getting ridiculuos.

Even if Wiggins doesn't improve at all, hell, he could be worst player in the NBA. Giving the 4th overrall pick would mean that we made the trade for nothing in the first place. While giving a high pick. You have to at least understand that.

Dissapointing is for you to and1 something like that.

[King Malta]

Is confirmed that this is a Timberwolves board.

The level of loser mentalities has reach a new other level with the last few posts lol. But tbh the last one is the funniest i ever seen in a while.

And1's for everybody!

Not sure why you're being such a snide **** at the moment. You can be a quality poster when you feel like it, so it's disappointing.

Either engage productively or go take a break dude, the bitchiness is unbecoming.

Come on man. The guy just said if we end up giving the 4th overrall pick to GSW and Wiggins ends up being the MIP it was still a good trade. This is getting ridiculuos.

Even if Wiggins doesn't improve at all, hell, he could be worst player in the NBA. Giving the 4th overrall pick would mean that we made the trade for nothing in the first place. While giving a high pick. You have to at least understand that.

Dissapointing is for you to and1 something like that.

It's not just this reply, you've reeled off a couple of snidey ones basically asserting that people who don't view things your way are homers/idiots in the last day or so, you're better than that and it's getting tiresome.

I And-1'd it because I don't care what happens after the fact, I would've made that trade 100 times out of 100 with the knowledge that any of those outcomes Mamba stated were a possibility. Also, I found the post relatively humorous and got a a laugh out of it to be honest.

Disappointing is people that take elitist or snide attitudes with other posters, not people who And-1 something or have a particular opinion that differs from yours. This forum gets hard to read when people (and there's more than a few, I don't mean to seem to pick on you) just start making sneaky personal attacks and getting antsy over disagreements rather than engaging fairly and reasonably, especially when they're generally of the quality of contributor to be able to do so.

[Battletrigger]

Is confirmed that this is a Timberwolves board.

The level of loser mentalities has reach a new other level with the last few posts lol. But tbh the last one is the funniest i ever seen in a while.

And1's for everybody!

Man, lately you are so disrespectful and a real crybaby.

Man, this is only a sport, what a sad life if it's so important to you, or just try to quit the d__ck in your ass.

[Merc_Porto]

Not sure why you're being such a snide **** at the moment. You can be a quality poster when you feel like it, so it's disappointing.

Either engage productively or go take a break dude, the bitchiness is unbecoming.

Come on man. The guy just said if we end up giving the 4th overrall pick to GSW and Wiggins ends up being the MIP it was still a good trade. This is getting ridiculuos.

Even if Wiggins doesn't improve at all, hell, he could be worst player in the NBA. Giving the 4th overrall pick would mean that we made the trade for nothing in the first place. While giving a high pick. You have to at least understand that.

Dissapointing is for you to and1 something like that.

It's not just this reply, you've reeled off a couple of snidey ones basically asserting that people who don't view things your way are homers/idiots in the last day or so, you're better than that and it's getting tiresome.

I And-1'd it because I don't care what happens after the fact, I would've made that trade 100 times out of 100 with the knowledge that any of those outcomes Mamba stated were a possibility. Also, I found the post relatively humorous and got a a laugh out of it to be honest.

Disappointing is people that take elitist or snide attitudes with other posters, not people who And-1 something or have a particular opinion that differs from yours. This forum gets hard to read when people (and there's more than a few, so I'm not picking on you) just start making sneaky personal attacks and getting antsy over disagreements rather than engaging fairly and reasonably, especially when they're generally of the quality of contributor to be able to do so.

I'm an easy target right now on this board.
And that makes me laugh honestly.

I'm sorry for not going with the trend that everything Rosas made so far is so positive, so brilliant. I actually don't think anything he did so far since he's in charge was good. Even the only move i thought was a good one so far he ruined with the moves he made after the Rubio trade.

I even just got "attack" for saying that Edwards has a similiar game to Donovan Mitchell but he doesn't look 6'6 lol while others already called him a bust after 2 preseason games. Whatever...

Back to the point and let's focus on that for a minute...

He's not the first to say that he would still made that trade even if we give a top-10 pick to GSW in 2021 without a reasonable explanation.

This is getting personal with the Wiggins vs Russell talk because let's be real. The discussion is not about Wiggins vs Russell, we know who wins every time

But there's also no logic in a scenario and with the knowledge that any of those outcomes where having...

Russell
Bad record (no improvement)
No pick

Is better than...

Wiggins
Still bad record (no improvement)
Having a top-10 pick

If you chose the first option over the second because of the antics againt Wiggins or any particular user on this board (not you in specific) you have a loser mentality for sure.

Side note:
King Malta you are one of the greatest here.

[Merc_Porto]

Is confirmed that this is a Timberwolves board.

The level of loser mentalities has reach a new other level with the last few posts lol. But tbh the last one is the funniest i ever seen in a while.

And1's for everybody!

Man, lately you are so disrespectful and a real crybaby.

I know... Sorry for not following the trend on this board.

I will improve from now on.

[King Malta]

Come on man. The guy just said if we end up giving the 4th overrall pick to GSW and Wiggins ends up being the MIP it was still a good trade. This is getting ridiculuos.

Even if Wiggins doesn't improve at all, hell, he could be worst player in the NBA. Giving the 4th overrall pick would mean that we made the trade for nothing in the first place. While giving a high pick. You have to at least understand that.

Dissapointing is for you to and1 something like that.

It's not just this reply, you've reeled off a couple of snidey ones basically asserting that people who don't view things your way are homers/idiots in the last day or so, you're better than that and it's getting tiresome.

I And-1'd it because I don't care what happens after the fact, I would've made that trade 100 times out of 100 with the knowledge that any of those outcomes Mamba stated were a possibility. Also, I found the post relatively humorous and got a a laugh out of it to be honest.

Disappointing is people that take elitist or snide attitudes with other posters, not people who And-1 something or have a particular opinion that differs from yours. This forum gets hard to read when people (and there's more than a few, so I'm not picking on you) just start making sneaky personal attacks and getting antsy over disagreements rather than engaging fairly and reasonably, especially when they're generally of the quality of contributor to be able to do so.

I'm an easy target right now on this board.
And that makes me laugh honestly.

I'm sorry for not going with the trend that everything Rosas made so far is so positive, so brilliant. I actually don't think anything he did so far since he's in charge was good. Even the only move i thought was a good one so far he ruined with the moves he made after the Rubio trade.

I even just got "attack" for saying that Edwards has a similiar game to Donovan Mitchell but he doesn't look 6'6 lol while others already called him a bust after 2 preseason games. Whatever...

Back to the point and let's focus on that for a minute...

He's not the first to say that he would still made that trade even if we give a top-10 pick to GSW in 2021 without a reasonable explanation.

This is getting personal with the Wiggins vs Russell talk because let's be real. The discussion is not about Wiggins vs Russell, we know who wins every time

But there's also no logic in a scenario and with the knowledge that any of those outcomes where having...

Russell
Bad record (no improvement)
No pick

Is better than...

Wiggins
Still bad record (no improvement)
Having a top-10 pick

If you chose the first option over the second because of the antics againt Wiggins or any particular user on this board (not you in specific) you have a loser mentality for sure.

Side note:
King Malta you are one of the greatest here.

I don't want to get into a big back and forth about the trade again because we've done it to death on here, but I still think you're viewing this through a prism specific to your perspective and ignoring where the opposing views are coming from, to a degree.

Most the posters, myself included, were desperate to get off the Wiggins deal. He's a bad player on a max contract and just absolutely coasted along every game, weighing us down and making it impossible to increase our record or competitiveness. Whether or not the trade ends up panning out down the line, getting off the Wiggins contract and bringing in a guy who is a better player and has a more competitive personality was worth trading the pick with the protections that were attached in my view.

You don't have to agree and that's fine, that's the point of having these discussions, but it's not because people have loser mentalities or don't want to win, they just view the outlay and the risk as being worth it.

But those are the sorts of comments I'm referring to, writing people off as having loser mentalities is unfair and immediately moves the conversation into personal insults and away from reasonable discussion. That's why people are getting stuck into you mate. Maybe you don't mean it to come across that way and it's just your style of typing/writing (I know English isn't your first language, so fair enough), but it does come across as dismissive and passive aggressive.

Right back at you mate, you're OG Wolves RealGM, I know it