All known blocked shot data of Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain:

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Re: All known blocked shot data of Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain: 

Post#141 » by mstat13shuh » Sat Dec 12, 2020 9:46 am

penbeast0 wrote:So it's just Wilt? More Harvey Pollack data from games in Philly? He had some great stuff years/decades before anyone else. I remember the NBA prohibiting him from publishing his numbers he used to do on how much refs favored the home team (except for Mendy Rudolph who went the other way slightly, every other ref called more fouls on the away team in the year I saw, some by big percentages).
May I inquire as to whether you may have witnessed some '60s games in person, or on TV?
And if so, any recollections?

I read he kept other unofficial stats for players before the league began recording them, not just Wilt's blocks, but also Russell's.
Whether or not the sportswriters chose to publish them in their stories the next day was an entirely different matter.

1 thing I CAN tell you is that Harvey's son, Ron, if I'm still correct, is still with the 76ers, emailed me a couple years ago and told me that sometime in the '80s, for whatever reason, Sixers management discarded ALL of the notebooks that Harvey kept Wilt's block totals in.

This still aggravates me to this very day when I think about it.

WHY DIDN'T MANAGEMENT JUST COMPUTERIZE IT? THERE WERE COMPUTERS AVAILABLE BACK THEN!

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Re: All known blocked shot data of Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain: 

Post#142 » by penbeast0 » Sat Dec 12, 2020 2:59 pm

mstat13shuh wrote:
penbeast0 wrote:So it's just Wilt? More Harvey Pollack data from games in Philly? He had some great stuff years/decades before anyone else. I remember the NBA prohibiting him from publishing his numbers he used to do on how much refs favored the home team (except for Mendy Rudolph who went the other way slightly, every other ref called more fouls on the away team in the year I saw, some by big percentages).
May I inquire as to whether you may have witnessed some '60s games in person, or on TV?
And if so, any recollections?

I read he kept other unofficial stats for players before the league began recording them, not just Wilt's blocks, but also Russell's.
Whether or not the sportswriters chose to publish them in their stories the next day was an entirely different matter.

1 thing I CAN tell you is that Harvey's son, Ron, if I'm still correct, is still with the 76ers, emailed me a couple years ago and told me that sometime in the '80s, for whatever reason, Sixers management discarded ALL of the notebooks that Harvey kept Wilt's block totals in.

This still aggravates me to this very day when I think about it.

WHY DIDN'T MANAGEMENT JUST COMPUTERIZE IT? THERE WERE COMPUTERS AVAILABLE BACK THEN!

smfh....


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Re: All known blocked shot data of Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain: 

Post#143 » by mstat13shuh » Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:29 am

Interesting recollections. Thank you.

Do you remember Ira Harge?
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Post#144 » by mstat13shuh » Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:55 am

As if the Russell 40 block game may not have been enough for some of you,
here is AT least 1 Wilt game which tops that(although Wilt played almost the whole game):

Boston American
Nov. 6, 1960

"Naturally, Wilt(Big Dipper)Chamberlain, who can do no wrong- did no wrong as he
collected 32 points, grabbed 26 rebounds and must have blocked 50 shots
(a dozen of them goaltending but only one called.)"

This accomplishment is even more biblically(to me)significant when you consider
the previous night vs same team, in Philly:

Wilt posted 44pts 39reb & unofficially 22blk

All the above being said, you're probably pondering if anybody else has even APPROACHED accomplishing this.

Here's my conclusion:

Do I believe Bill Russell had back-to-back 20 block games at least once? Certainly.
Do I believe Wilt did it more than once? Absolutely.
Do I believe Russ or anyone else could've had consecutive 32-26-22blk games like Wilt if necessary? I highly doubt it.
Do I believe Russ ever had 72 blocks over a 2 game span at least once? Possibly, but even I'm not 100% certain he would've
had BOTH strength & endurance to do so like Wilt did. But I could be wrong.
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Re: All known blocked shot data of Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain: 

Post#145 » by 70sFan » Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:26 am

I don't see Russell or Wilt blocking 40 or 50 shots in one game. I've seen enough early 1960s games to know that basketball wasn't nearly as mediocre as some believe. These are pro players after all, 40 blocks would mean a block in most possessions which is simply impossible.

We have 4 different full early 1960s games and in none of them teams had much higher blocks numbers than in the 1970s:

1959/60 Lakers vs Royals
Lakers: 4 blocks
Royals: 2 blocks

1961/62 Knicks vs Packers
Knicks: 3 blocks
Pacers: 4 blocks

1961/62 Knicks vs Nationals
Knicks: 4 blocks
Nationals: 5 blocks

1962/63 Lakers vs Celtics
Lakers: 3 blocks
Celtics: 9 blocks

Over 20 blocks is a different matter. The pace was much higher and Russell/Wilt played a lot of minutes. I still don't think it happened often though - here are all Russell games available:

1962 Finals Game 7 (25%): 1 block
1963 Finals Game 6: 7 blocks
1964 Finals Game 4 (50%): 2 blocks
1965 Finals Game 1 (25%): 0 blocks
1966 Game 4 vs Royals (50%): 4 blocks
1967 ECF Game 4 (50%): 4 blocks
1969 ECF Game 1: 2 blocks
1969 Finals Game 7 (25%): 2 blocks
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Re: All known blocked shot data of Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain: 

Post#146 » by DQuinn1575 » Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:58 pm

70sFan wrote:I don't see Russell or Wilt blocking 40 or 50 shots in one game. I've seen enough early 1960s games to know that basketball wasn't nearly as mediocre as some believe. These are pro players after all, 40 blocks would mean a block in most possessions which is simply impossible.

We have 4 different full early 1960s games and in none of them teams had much higher blocks numbers than in the 1970s:

1959/60 Lakers vs Royals
Lakers: 4 blocks
Royals: 2 blocks

1961/62 Knicks vs Packers
Knicks: 3 blocks
Pacers: 4 blocks

1961/62 Knicks vs Nationals
Knicks: 4 blocks
Nationals: 5 blocks

1962/63 Lakers vs Celtics
Lakers: 3 blocks
Celtics: 9 blocks

Over 20 blocks is a different matter. The pace was much higher and Russell/Wilt played a lot of minutes. I still don't think it happened often though - here are all Russell games available:

1962 Finals Game 7 (25%): 1 block
1963 Finals Game 6: 7 blocks
1964 Finals Game 4 (50%): 2 blocks
1965 Finals Game 1 (25%): 0 blocks
1966 Game 4 vs Royals (50%): 4 blocks
1967 ECF Game 4 (50%): 4 blocks
1969 ECF Game 1: 2 blocks
1969 Finals Game 7 (25%): 2 blocks


So I posted what Wilt did in college, which was like 7 a game. Colleges have been keep the stat officially since the mid 80s, and Gilmore and Sampson's teams kept them while they played. David Robinson and Artis were great shotblockers, and played Non Power 5 schedules - so would have been more dominant in their setting than Wilt and Russell in theirs.
In all the research I have done, high school, college, and pro, which includes all of the high school all-staters in Illinois, virtually all the high school all-americans, and all the college teams since 1948, I'm pretty sure I've never seen someone attributed with an average of 10 blocks a game. And sometimes ahem, coaches in high schools fudged some stats.
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Post#147 » by mstat13shuh » Tue Dec 15, 2020 4:22 am

70sFan wrote:I don't see Russell or Wilt blocking 40 or 50 shots in one game. I've seen enough early 1960s games to know that basketball wasn't nearly as mediocre as some believe. These are pro players after all, 40 blocks would mean a block in most possessions which is simply impossible.

We have 4 different full early 1960s games and in none of them teams had much higher blocks numbers than in the 1970s:

1959/60 Lakers vs Royals
Lakers: 4 blocks
Royals: 2 blocks

1961/62 Knicks vs Packers
Knicks: 3 blocks
Pacers: 4 blocks

1961/62 Knicks vs Nationals
Knicks: 4 blocks
Nationals: 5 blocks

1962/63 Lakers vs Celtics
Lakers: 3 blocks
Celtics: 9 blocks

Over 20 blocks is a different matter. The pace was much higher and Russell/Wilt played a lot of minutes. I still don't think it happened often though - here are all Russell games available:

1962 Finals Game 7 (25%): 1 block
1963 Finals Game 6: 7 blocks
1964 Finals Game 4 (50%): 2 blocks
1965 Finals Game 1 (25%): 0 blocks
1966 Game 4 vs Royals (50%): 4 blocks
1967 ECF Game 4 (50%): 4 blocks
1969 ECF Game 1: 2 blocks
1969 Finals Game 7 (25%): 2 blocks
First of all, maybe I'm wrong here, but game 4 of the '64 finals is only partial(unless the whole game is available on your site.)
Second of all, game 4 of '66 CIN BOS series is also 2nd half only(unless the whole game is also available on your site).
Third of all, game 4 of the '67 PHI BOS game is also 2nd half only(unless the whole game is also available on your site).
Fourth, my apologies, I haven't gone onto your site lately because of a payment issue about 3 months ago, but I'll be back on soon.
Fifth, while I do sincerely appreciate your efforts in acquiring the full-game footage that I've witnessed you upload on your site, and will continue to upload whenever you're able to acquire new footage, unfortunately, you and most everyone still have not yet acquired the data that I've posted here whenever I feel necessary to do so. This doesn't make me a better person & it doesn't make you a worse person, it simply means that I've been blessed to gather certain data from various sources that most others cannot even approach touching.
Sixth, for someone like yourself who uploads what you're blessed to upload, quite frankly I'm a trifle disappointed that you don't believe Russ or Wilt having a 40 or 50 block game even once is possible, even in the early '60s, but then again, I guess you don't know what I know here. I'll still stand firm in my convictions though, as I've not only constantly & relentlessly studied available complete box scores from this era, but also communicated with youtube subscribers who, fortunately, were able to remember certain games & performances from that era to convince me that my beliefs about this data were, and are, true.
Seventh, and lastly: I'm not on this site merely to publish the data that I've been blessed to procure from my sources. I'm also here to inquire of & discover new insight and recollections from the remaining members who might have some memories of certain games that I'm still unaware of(after all, I myself grew up in the '80 & early '90s and only became truly interested when I became aware of Kareem's impending retirement). All that being said, if nobody else on this site believes the higher shot-blocking totals that I post, even with newspaper evidence; fine, my life will still go on & I'll still continue to post new stuff that I deem necessary at any given time.
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Post#148 » by 70sFan » Tue Dec 15, 2020 8:26 am

I mentioned that these games were only partially available (that's why I mentioned "50%" in my post).

Don't worry, we may disagree on that point and I hope that one day we'll be able to find a game when one of them had over 20 blocks.

Keep posting in this thread by the way, all your posts are highly valuable ;)
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Post#149 » by coastalmarker99 » Tue Dec 15, 2020 2:13 pm

penbeast0 wrote:So it's just Wilt? More Harvey Pollack data from games in Philly? He had some great stuff years/decades before anyone else. I remember the NBA prohibiting him from publishing his numbers he used to do on how much refs favored the home team (except for Mendy Rudolph who went the other way slightly, every other ref called more fouls on the away team in the year I saw, some by big percentages).



I have been reading some things written by Wilt and others like Ike's Rich's man son's book Wilt Ike and me.


The night Ike Richman died from a heart attack at the Boston Garden in 1965


Wilt's stats were 28 points,30 rebounds and 9 blocked shots as the 76ers blew the Celtics out by 16 on the road.


In-game 5 against the Royals in the 1965 playoffs, first round in a winner take all game

Wilt's stats were 38 points,26 rebounds and 10 blocked shots not bad for an elimination game you think







I have learned many things from that book that David Richman wrote I learned that many of the 76ers and Celtics games were on national television including that famous game 7 so the Nba most likely has the full game in their archives.




In the 1965-1966 season, the 76ers smashed the Lakers on national television in La and they also had some others on national television that year against the Celtics if I can remember.




So, therefore, there is a ton of Wilt 76er footage just sitting there in the Nba archives which is a massive shame and I hope one day it can be released through me and others like 70's fan and also the WCA. As all we need at the moment to get the rare footage of Wilt is to get in contact with Wilt's family and gain their permission to get his footage of the Nba archives.
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Re: All known blocked shot data of Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain: 

Post#150 » by DQuinn1575 » Tue Dec 15, 2020 10:35 pm

mstat13shuh wrote:
70sFan wrote:I don't see Russell or Wilt blocking 40 or 50 shots in one game. I've seen enough early 1960s games to know that basketball wasn't nearly as mediocre as some believe. These are pro players after all, 40 blocks would mean a block in most possessions which is simply impossible.

We have 4 different full early 1960s games and in none of them teams had much higher blocks numbers than in the 1970s:

1959/60 Lakers vs Royals
Lakers: 4 blocks
Royals: 2 blocks

1961/62 Knicks vs Packers
Knicks: 3 blocks
Pacers: 4 blocks

1961/62 Knicks vs Nationals
Knicks: 4 blocks
Nationals: 5 blocks

1962/63 Lakers vs Celtics
Lakers: 3 blocks
Celtics: 9 blocks

Over 20 blocks is a different matter. The pace was much higher and Russell/Wilt played a lot of minutes. I still don't think it happened often though - here are all Russell games available:

1962 Finals Game 7 (25%): 1 block
1963 Finals Game 6: 7 blocks
1964 Finals Game 4 (50%): 2 blocks
1965 Finals Game 1 (25%): 0 blocks
1966 Game 4 vs Royals (50%): 4 blocks
1967 ECF Game 4 (50%): 4 blocks
1969 ECF Game 1: 2 blocks
1969 Finals Game 7 (25%): 2 blocks
First of all, maybe I'm wrong here, but game 4 of the '64 finals is only partial(unless the whole game is available on your site.)
Second of all, game 4 of '66 CIN BOS series is also 2nd half only(unless the whole game is also available on your site).
Third of all, game 4 of the '67 PHI BOS game is also 2nd half only(unless the whole game is also available on your site).
Fourth, my apologies, I haven't gone onto your site lately because of a payment issue about 3 months ago, but I'll be back on soon.
Fifth, while I do sincerely appreciate your efforts in acquiring the full-game footage that I've witnessed you upload on your site, and will continue to upload whenever you're able to acquire new footage, unfortunately, you and most everyone still have not yet acquired the data that I've posted here whenever I feel necessary to do so. This doesn't make me a better person & it doesn't make you a worse person, it simply means that I've been blessed to gather certain data from various sources that most others cannot even approach touching.
Sixth, for someone like yourself who uploads what you're blessed to upload, quite frankly I'm a trifle disappointed that you don't believe Russ or Wilt having a 40 or 50 block game even once is possible, even in the early '60s, but then again, I guess you don't know what I know here. I'll still stand firm in my convictions though, as I've not only constantly & relentlessly studied available complete box scores from this era, but also communicated with youtube subscribers who, fortunately, were able to remember certain games & performances from that era to convince me that my beliefs about this data were, and are, true.
Seventh, and lastly: I'm not on this site merely to publish the data that I've been blessed to procure from my sources. I'm also here to inquire of & discover new insight and recollections from the remaining members who might have some memories of certain games that I'm still unaware of(after all, I myself grew up in the '80 & early '90s and only became truly interested when I became aware of Kareem's impending retirement). All that being said, if nobody else on this site believes the higher shot-blocking totals that I post, even with newspaper evidence; fine, my life will still go on & I'll still continue to post new stuff that I deem necessary at any given time.



Can you point to a game where you think Wilt or Russell blocked as many as 40 shots? I'd like to see if I can find any game accounts or look at the box score to see if there is anything that would show this.
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Re: All known blocked shot data of Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain: 

Post#151 » by mstat13shuh » Wed Dec 16, 2020 10:12 am

70sFan wrote:I mentioned that these games were only partially available (that's why I mentioned "50%" in my post).

Don't worry, we may disagree on that point and I hope that one day we'll be able to find a game when one of them had over 20 blocks.

Keep posting in this thread by the way, all your posts are highly valuable ;)
My sincerest apologies about the unfortunate misunderstanding. I must've overlooked the 50% portion. My mistake.

Smh, I guess we will have to disagree on the 40 block Russell & 50 block Wilt games until you're(I only say you're because you're the one on this list that I know of who has immediate access to the games)able to procure a 20 block game by either one. I'm certain the league archive department has them.
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Post#152 » by mstat13shuh » Wed Dec 16, 2020 10:26 am

"Can you point to a game where you think Wilt or Russell blocked as many as 40 shots? I'd like to see if I can find any game accounts or look at the box score to see if there is anything that would show this."

Russell 40 block game: #137
Wilt 50 block game: #144

I challenge anyone PERIOD, not just on here, but PERIOD, to locate another game as such.

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Post#153 » by mstat13shuh » Wed Dec 16, 2020 10:34 am

70sFan wrote:I mentioned that these games were only partially available (that's why I mentioned "50%" in my post).

Don't worry, we may disagree on that point and I hope that one day we'll be able to find a game when one of them had over 20 blocks.

Keep posting in this thread by the way, all your posts are highly valuable ;)

Also, thanks for the compliment, I do appreciate it.

About the Russ-Wilt 20 block games, the last time I'm pretty certain it occurred:

Russ: Jan. 10, 1969 vs Lakers
Wilt: Dec. 13, 1972 at Philly

See if the league office has these games available IN FULL. PLEASE.
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Post#154 » by coastalmarker99 » Wed Dec 16, 2020 10:50 am

mstat13shuh wrote:
70sFan wrote:I mentioned that these games were only partially available (that's why I mentioned "50%" in my post).

Don't worry, we may disagree on that point and I hope that one day we'll be able to find a game when one of them had over 20 blocks.

Keep posting in this thread by the way, all your posts are highly valuable ;)

Also, thanks for the compliment, I do appreciate it.

About the Russ-Wilt 20 block games, the last time I'm pretty certain it occurred:

Russ: Jan. 10, 1969 vs Lakers
Wilt: Dec. 13, 1972 at Philly

See if the league office has these games available IN FULL. PLEASE.

There is no way Russell had 20 blocks against the big three Lakers just no way especially in his last season I don't believe that for one second.
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Post#155 » by mstat13shuh » Wed Dec 16, 2020 10:58 am

coastalmarker99 wrote:
penbeast0 wrote:So it's just Wilt? More Harvey Pollack data from games in Philly? He had some great stuff years/decades before anyone else. I remember the NBA prohibiting him from publishing his numbers he used to do on how much refs favored the home team (except for Mendy Rudolph who went the other way slightly, every other ref called more fouls on the away team in the year I saw, some by big percentages).



I have been reading some things written by Wilt and others like Ike's Rich's man son's book Wilt Ike and me.


The night Ike Richman died from a heart attack at the Boston Garden in 1965


Wilt's stats were 28 points,30 rebounds and 9 blocked shots as the 76ers blew the Celtics out by 16 on the road.


In-game 5 against the Royals in the 1965 playoffs, first round in a winner take all game

Wilt's stats were 38 points,26 rebounds and 10 blocked shots not bad for an elimination game you think







I have learned many things from that book that David Richman wrote I learned that many of the 76ers and Celtics games were on national television including that famous game 7 so the Nba most likely has the full game in their archives.




In the 1965-1966 season, the 76ers smashed the Lakers on national television in La and they also had some others on national television that year against the Celtics if I can remember.




So, therefore, there is a ton of Wilt 76er footage just sitting there in the Nba archives which is a massive shame and I hope one day it can be released through me and others like 70's fan and also the WCA. As all we need at the moment to get the rare footage of Wilt is to get in contact with Wilt's family and gain their permission to get his footage of the Nba archives.
Hey, I like you already based upon this post. Looks like you did your homework pretty well here. Hats off to you sir, good job & keep it up.

I wasn't aware of the David Richman book until you mentioned it just now. Does it have some additional blocks games in there besides the games you just listed(even though I was already aware of most of them), or was that all the book had?

Second: do you know if there's any way to contact David Richman for this & other related data?
Third: I think the 65-66 game where the Sixers throttled the Lakers on national TV in LA was Dec. 15, 1965. I can't find Wilt's minutes for this game. I know Philly was up by 31 in the 1st half, but none of the game articles I've found mention anything about Wilt coming out at any point. What do you recall about that?
Fourth: would you know if David would have access to the box scores that the scorekeepers kept throughout the game? I'd bet they'd have the minutes for the players.
Fifth & lastly: I know there was a nationally televised Dec. 26, 1965 game between Philly & San Francisco. Most of the papers have Wilt with 16 blocks, but the late great Jack Kiser(I call him great because, toe me, he seemed to identify blocks during portions of the game when most other writers did not)of the Phily Daily News felt that Wilt seemed to have blocked many more. My estimate for this game is around 30, until further notice. What's your recollection about this game, if anything?


Thanks again for your post.
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Post#156 » by mstat13shuh » Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:06 am

coastalmarker99 wrote:
mstat13shuh wrote:
70sFan wrote:I mentioned that these games were only partially available (that's why I mentioned "50%" in my post).

Don't worry, we may disagree on that point and I hope that one day we'll be able to find a game when one of them had over 20 blocks.

Keep posting in this thread by the way, all your posts are highly valuable ;)

Also, thanks for the compliment, I do appreciate it.

About the Russ-Wilt 20 block games, the last time I'm pretty certain it occurred:

Russ: Jan. 10, 1969 vs Lakers
Wilt: Dec. 13, 1972 at Philly

See if the league office has these games available IN FULL. PLEASE.

There is no way Russell had 20 blocks against the big three Lakers just no way especially in his last season I don't believe that for one second.
I'm sorry you don't believe it sir, but it DID happen. I'm not saying all the 20 blocks were ONLY vs Lakers big 3, I'm certain a number of others were vs other Lakers as well. Either way, the 20 block total is courtesy of the Boston Globe.
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Post#157 » by coastalmarker99 » Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:37 am

mstat13shuh wrote:
coastalmarker99 wrote:
mstat13shuh wrote:Also, thanks for the compliment, I do appreciate it.

About the Russ-Wilt 20 block games, the last time I'm pretty certain it occurred:

Russ: Jan. 10, 1969 vs Lakers
Wilt: Dec. 13, 1972 at Philly

See if the league office has these games available IN FULL. PLEASE.

There is no way Russell had 20 blocks against the big three Lakers just no way especially in his last season I don't believe that for one second.
I'm sorry you don't believe it sir, but it DID happen. I'm not saying all the 20 blocks were ONLY vs Lakers big 3, I'm certain a number of others were vs other Lakers as well. Either way, the 20 block total is courtesy of the Boston Globe.


Maybe it did happen and that's just crazy if it actually did I know that some of the Celtics vs Laker games were on national television that season as I through some digging know the Nba archives has Wilt scoring 35 against them in a loss and also the Lakers blowing them out 108 to 73 in another game in March.
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Post#158 » by coastalmarker99 » Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:53 am

mstat13shuh wrote:
coastalmarker99 wrote:
penbeast0 wrote:So it's just Wilt? More Harvey Pollack data from games in Philly? He had some great stuff years/decades before anyone else. I remember the NBA prohibiting him from publishing his numbers he used to do on how much refs favored the home team (except for Mendy Rudolph who went the other way slightly, every other ref called more fouls on the away team in the year I saw, some by big percentages).



I have been reading some things written by Wilt and others like Ike's Rich's man son's book Wilt Ike and me.


The night Ike Richman died from a heart attack at the Boston Garden in 1965


Wilt's stats were 28 points,30 rebounds and 9 blocked shots as the 76ers blew the Celtics out by 16 on the road.


In-game 5 against the Royals in the 1965 playoffs, first round in a winner take all game

Wilt's stats were 38 points,26 rebounds and 10 blocked shots not bad for an elimination game you think







I have learned many things from that book that David Richman wrote I learned that many of the 76ers and Celtics games were on national television including that famous game 7 so the Nba most likely has the full game in their archives.




In the 1965-1966 season, the 76ers smashed the Lakers on national television in La and they also had some others on national television that year against the Celtics if I can remember.




So, therefore, there is a ton of Wilt 76er footage just sitting there in the Nba archives which is a massive shame and I hope one day it can be released through me and others like 70's fan and also the WCA. As all we need at the moment to get the rare footage of Wilt is to get in contact with Wilt's family and gain their permission to get his footage of the Nba archives.
Hey, I like you already based upon this post. Looks like you did your homework pretty well here. Hats off to you sir, good job & keep it up.

I wasn't aware of the David Richman book until you mentioned it just now. Does it have some additional blocks games in there besides the games you just listed(even though I was already aware of most of them), or was that all the book had?

Second: do you know if there's any way to contact David Richman for this & other related data?
Third: I think the 65-66 game where the Sixers throttled the Lakers on national TV in LA was Dec. 15, 1965. I can't find Wilt's minutes for this game. I know Philly was up by 31 in the 1st half, but none of the game articles I've found mention anything about Wilt coming out at any point. What do you recall about that?
Fourth: would you know if David would have access to the box scores that the scorekeepers kept throughout the game? I'd bet they'd have the minutes for the players.
Fifth & lastly: I know there was a nationally televised Dec. 26, 1965 game between Philly & San Francisco. Most of the papers have Wilt with 16 blocks, but the late great Jack Kiser(I call him great because, toe me, he seemed to identify blocks during portions of the game when most other writers did not)of the Phily Daily News felt that Wilt seemed to have blocked many more. My estimate for this game is around 30, until further notice. What's your recollection about this game, if anything?


Thanks again for your post.






I am not sure there is a way to contact David Richman but I will try to see if I can I have also been trying for most of this year to get a hold of Wilt's family so that i can hopefully get their permission. as the Nba archives, people have said that they will allow me to get ahold of all of the footage that they have of Wilt in their archives if I have Wilt's family's permission to do so.


Wilt played 48 minutes against the Lakers that night and didn't come out the funny thing about Wilt usually as a 76er was that his highest block games were always usually against the Royal's Lakers and pistons for some strange reason.








Wilt disliked the Warriors after they traded him as a result of him having a heart attack In the 1964 offseason plus they were dealing with some money issues at the time as well . And usually the times he would play them afterwards he would go nuts I can remember that he blocked 15 shots in the first game of the 1967 finals and just flat out made sure to block everything Nate put up at the rim.










As for that 1965 game against them, I would agree with Wilt blocking over 20 shots as the Warriors that night could not get anything at the rim with him there blocking everything they missed almost 100 shots that game and they took a hell of a lot more then the 76ers did it was 33 more shots they took that night and despite that they still lost by 14.
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Re: All known blocked shot data of Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain: 

Post#159 » by 70sFan » Wed Dec 16, 2020 12:00 pm

I just hope you coastalmaker to succeed with NBA Archives. It would give us so much more information...
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Re: All known blocked shot data of Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain: 

Post#160 » by coastalmarker99 » Wed Dec 16, 2020 12:19 pm

70sFan wrote:I just hope you coastalmaker to succeed with NBA Archives. It would give us so much more information...




I do have a very long list of very rare regular-season and playoff games that the Nba archives have told me they have of Wilt.


For Wilt's rookie year they have his debut game where he scored 42 points and 30 rebounds plus 15 blocked shots and also his post-game interview outside of the garden where he stood talking to the media and fans for almost an hour afterwards.


They also have his first game ever against Russell where I was told Russell blocked some shots of Wilt's and generally frustrated him throughout the game and held him to 12 out of 38 from the floor through Wilt still did grab 28 rebounds and blocked 5 or 6 shots that game.


They also have his first game ever against the Lakers and Baylor which was held on November 14, 1959, and both Baylor and Wilt shot horribly from the floor that game Wilt missed 25 shots and shot 10 out of 25 and Baylor also shot 6 out of 26 from the floor.


Wilt's first game against the Hawks they also do have and that was a great game which the Hawks won by one point through once again Wilt struggled mightily from the floor as he struggled to handle the Hawks physically that game he shot 9 out of 28 from the floor ouch.




They also have some more games of Wilt vs Russell that same season and in those two games that about to show you the fun fact was that it was a back to back against each other

Wilt in both games crushed Russell

For the first game of the back to against the Celtics Wilt scored 45 points and also had 35 rebounds plus 7 blocked shots as the Warriors won by 10 points 123 to 113.




The second game of the back to back saw Wilt score 49 points on Russell and grab 33 rebounds and also block 13 shots the game was so bad for Russell that according to Heinsohn Russell vowed to never let himself be that embarrassed by Wilt again.


Through on January 2, 1960 Wilt once again crushed Russell with 47 points 36 rebounds and he also blocked once again 10 plus shots this was a great game from Wilt from the free-throw line shooting 11 out of 14 there.




Another game 2 weeks later through Russell finally got back Wilt and shut down to 12 out of 38 shooting from the floor as the Celtics blew the Warriors out by 12 points Wilt once again to his credit scored 40 plus points on Russell and also grabbed 42 rebounds.



Two days later Wilt once again scored 40 plus points on Russell and grabbed 26 rebounds plus 6 blocked shots as the Warriors lost a tight one 123 to 129.


For the fourth time, that same month Wilt once again scored 40 points on Russell and grabbed 39 rebounds and plus 8 blocked shots as the Warriors won 124 to 116.



On the February 23, 1960 Wilt would once again score big on Russell's head this time scoring 53 points along with 29 rebounds plus 7 blocked shots Red and the Celtics seemed this season to have no clue how to stop the big dipper on dominating so hard on both ends of the court against them.



The last two games of that season heading into the playoffs the Celtics finally seemed to figure out ways to stop Chamberlain through Chamberlain scored 39 points in the two last games he faced against them before the playoffs arrived the Celtics would still win setting the tone for what was to come later in the Ecf that same season.
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