The Washington Football Team Thread

[Ruzious]

Yeah, if they can get a mid-round pick or two for Haskins, I'd do it. Our 2021 QB is not on this roster.

I'm already looking at the scouting reports for non first-round QB's. Big Kyle Trask of Florida sounds really solid, but is his upside too low? It seems like those big pocket QBs do better in the playoffs than QBs who like to run a lot. For example, ordinary Joe Flacco has a great playoffs record while Lamar Jackson's been disappointing. And Nick Foles shocked the world with Philly.

[tontoz]

A year after Bruce Allen got fired they are already looking like a legit team.

[Dark Faze]

Yeah, if they can get a mid-round pick or two for Haskins, I'd do it. Our 2021 QB is not on this roster.

I'm already looking at the scouting reports for non first-round QB's. Big Kyle Trask of Florida sounds really solid, but is his upside too low? It seems like those big pocket QBs do better in the playoffs than QBs who like to run a lot. For example, ordinary Joe Flacco has a great playoffs record while Lamar Jackson's been disappointing. And Nick Foles shocked the world with Philly.

I like Trask. I think he'll be a first rounder though.

[LyricalRico]

A year after Bruce Allen got fired they are already looking like a legit team.

I'm having flashbacks to the one year of Marty where they started slow and then caught fire the second half of the season because of the defense. This team has even more playmakers on defense, and a one-legged Alex Smith is still better than Tony Banks lol.

Of course Snyder sabotaged that because he couldn't control his fantasy football impulses, but I don't think that happens this time. Rivera will have gone a long way to change the culture this year, and will get multiple years to build on it.

[Kanyewest]

Yeah, if they can get a mid-round pick or two for Haskins, I'd do it. Our 2021 QB is not on this roster.

I'm already looking at the scouting reports for non first-round QB's. Big Kyle Trask of Florida sounds really solid, but is his upside too low? It seems like those big pocket QBs do better in the playoffs than QBs who like to run a lot. For example, ordinary Joe Flacco has a great playoffs record while Lamar Jackson's been disappointing. And Nick Foles shocked the world with Philly.

Foles is pretty mobile

Watch on YouTube

;ab_channel=budleewiser

[TGW]

I would probably stay away from retreads, but I do like Matthew Stafford as a possible option if he doesn't cost more than a 3rd.

[Ruzious]

Yeah, if they can get a mid-round pick or two for Haskins, I'd do it. Our 2021 QB is not on this roster.

I'm already looking at the scouting reports for non first-round QB's. Big Kyle Trask of Florida sounds really solid, but is his upside too low? It seems like those big pocket QBs do better in the playoffs than QBs who like to run a lot. For example, ordinary Joe Flacco has a great playoffs record while Lamar Jackson's been disappointing. And Nick Foles shocked the world with Philly.

Foles is pretty mobile

Watch on YouTube

;ab_channel=budleewiser

Nah, anyone off the street could have scored on that. Foles' 40 time at his combine was 5.14 - that's lineman type speed. He's rushed for under 50 yards total in the last 5 years.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

I haven’t actually watched the Jets play in the past couple of years.

Is Darnold a total bust?

It seems clear he’ll be available, probably for a mid round pick.

He’s young and was really good in college.

Remember when the Chargers sold low on Drew Brees after his rookie year? That worked out pretty well for the Saints.

Serious question though. What do you all think of Darnold?

[Ruzious]

I haven’t actually watched the Jets play in the past couple of years.

Is Darnold a total bust?

It seems clear he’ll be available, probably for a mid round pick.

He’s young and was really good in college.

Remember when the Chargers sold low on Drew Brees after his rookie year? That worked out pretty well for the Saints.

Serious question though. What do you all think of Darnold?

I think it's too soon to give up on Darnold, but I also think the same of Haskins. They were born just about a month apart. I think it's a pretty good idea for the the Skins go for Darnold, but they'd have to answer what they see in Darnold that they didn't in Haskins.

[Kanyewest]

I'm already looking at the scouting reports for non first-round QB's. Big Kyle Trask of Florida sounds really solid, but is his upside too low? It seems like those big pocket QBs do better in the playoffs than QBs who like to run a lot. For example, ordinary Joe Flacco has a great playoffs record while Lamar Jackson's been disappointing. And Nick Foles shocked the world with Philly.

Foles is pretty mobile

Watch on YouTube

;ab_channel=budleewiser

Nah, anyone off the street could have scored on that. Foles' 40 time at his combine was 5.14 - that's lineman type speed. He's rushed for under 50 yards total in the last 5 years.

I should have put green font.

[LyricalRico]

I haven’t actually watched the Jets play in the past couple of years.

Is Darnold a total bust?

It seems clear he’ll be available, probably for a mid round pick.

He’s young and was really good in college.

Remember when the Chargers sold low on Drew Brees after his rookie year? That worked out pretty well for the Saints.

Serious question though. What do you all think of Darnold?

I think it's too soon to give up on Darnold, but I also think the same of Haskins. They were born just about a month apart. I think it's a pretty good idea for the the Skins go for Darnold, but they'd have to answer what they see in Darnold that they didn't in Haskins.

What about Kyle Allen? Too early to give up on him? At least Rivera seems to believe in Allen, which makes a huge difference. Even if Haskins still has potential, he won't realize it on a team where the HC isn't a fan. It's not always about talent, fit matters (which I guess could be an argument to give someone like Darnold a look-see.)

Either way, whatever developmental QB they keep/obtain over the offseason, they'd be doing a disservice to this defense to start them next season. We will still need a veteran starting QB for at least one more season IMO.

[LyricalRico]

I would probably stay away from retreads, but I do like Matthew Stafford as a possible option if he doesn't cost more than a 3rd.

I could go for that. If Philip Rivers has shown us anything, it's that a strong-armed QB with a change of scenery can be pretty good. But I'd be very curious to understand the cap implications and what would be left to build the rest of the team. Would Stafford with the same line/receivers really be better than, say, Alex Smith returning but with a solidified line and more weapons?

[Ruzious]

I haven’t actually watched the Jets play in the past couple of years.

Is Darnold a total bust?

It seems clear he’ll be available, probably for a mid round pick.

He’s young and was really good in college.

Remember when the Chargers sold low on Drew Brees after his rookie year? That worked out pretty well for the Saints.

Serious question though. What do you all think of Darnold?

I think it's too soon to give up on Darnold, but I also think the same of Haskins. They were born just about a month apart. I think it's a pretty good idea for the the Skins go for Darnold, but they'd have to answer what they see in Darnold that they didn't in Haskins.

What about Kyle Allen? Too early to give up on him? At least Rivera seems to believe in Allen, which makes a huge difference. Even if Haskins still has potential, he won't realize it on a team where the HC isn't a fan. It's not always about talent, fit matters (which I guess could be an argument to give someone like Darnold a look-see.)

Either way, whatever developmental QB they keep/obtain over the offseason, they'd be doing a disservice to this defense to start them next season. We will still need a veteran starting QB for at least one more season IMO.

Kyle Allen's a possibility. Ironically, he and Darnold are close friends. Allen's an exclusive rights free agent, so the WFT can keep him if they want. I'd say no to Stafford. Not only would we have to give up probably a high pick to get him, he's also a free agent after next season - so you know the Skins would end up giving him a ridiculously high contract extension - afraid that he'd otherwise be a 1 year rental. Stafford's a great talent with nice numbers, but... his teams have always disappointed. It's not all his fault, but he can't seem to raise the level of his team. Cam Newton's a free agent after this season, but he's having a bad year.

[TGW]

I would probably stay away from retreads, but I do like Matthew Stafford as a possible option if he doesn't cost more than a 3rd.

I could go for that. If Philip Rivers has shown us anything, it's that a strong-armed QB with a change of scenery can be pretty good. But I'd be very curious to understand the cap implications and what would be left to build the rest of the team. Would Stafford with the same line/receivers really be better than, say, Alex Smith returning but with a solidified line and more weapons?

Valid question. I've personally never had much faith in Alex Smith--I think his arm talent and mobility are below average at this point in his career, but he makes up for it with high IQ/low risk throws. As for Stafford, he's in my opinion, Smith with a much stronger arm. If you look at their respective careers, they are identical in QBR and comp% (however, Stafford blows Smith out in total numbers).

I agree that Stafford's cap number is problematic. They'd have to restructure that thing.

[Halcyon]

I'm in the camp of getting an established QB right now. Most of the d-line is on rookie contracts, and with an upgraded offense, this team can probably contend. Get Stafford, trade/cut Haskins, spend draft capital on offense.

[Endless Loop]

Is it even possible that after their two best personnel offseasons in the last 20 years, the WFT would actually be thinking of not making Kyle Smith the GM?

IDK what to say...

[Dark Faze]

I'm in the camp of getting an established QB right now. Most of the d-line is on rookie contracts, and with an upgraded offense, this team can probably contend. Get Stafford, trade/cut Haskins, spend draft capital on offense.

I'd rather stick to the fairly paid mercenary group (Foles, Ryan Fitzpatrick) than the overpaid group (Stafford, Cousins). The latter will get you better regular season results and gaudier stats, but offer only a slight upgrade in terms of playoff performance while costing 2x/3x as much.

I'd like a guy like Ryan Fitzpatrick. Pay him 8 million for the season and load up the rest of the team like you said. I don't want to pay double for a minor upgrade.

[Ruzious]

I'm in the camp of getting an established QB right now. Most of the d-line is on rookie contracts, and with an upgraded offense, this team can probably contend. Get Stafford, trade/cut Haskins, spend draft capital on offense.

I'd rather stick to the fairly paid mercenary group (Foles, Ryan Fitzpatrick) than the overpaid group (Stafford, Cousins). The latter will get you better regular season results and gaudier stats, but offer only a slight upgrade in terms of playoff performance while costing 2x/3x as much.

I'd like a guy like Ryan Fitzpatrick. Pay him 8 million for the season and load up the rest of the team like you said. I don't want to pay double for a minor upgrade.

One more that could potentially be in the mix: Marcus Mariota - who played in relief of Derek Carr last night. He's signed for a non-guaranteed 10.6 million next year. With the NFL cap going down next season, my guess is they don't want to pay Mariota that kind of money to be their backup. He looked great in 2016 but then fall off a cliff in 2017 and hasn't gotten back to that 2016 level. But he's just 27. He's a lot like a young Alex Smith - not a great arm but good mobility and accuracy. And very popular with his teammates. Former 2nd pick in the draft.

Ian Rappaport said Alex Smith will not play against Seattle.

[Dark Faze]

I'm good with Mariota or any of those guys at around 10 mil a season.

Haskins is going to flame out obviously/unfortunately. Hopefully they open up the playbook and let him air it out a little. Protecting him with slants all day isn't going to do anyone any favors.

[likwitdesi]

Mariota? Foles? Really??? Of the Tier 3 QBs, the only feasible option for this team is Fitzpatrick and that is because you hope that he can get hot come playoff time and take over.

Now that we aren't going to get one of the top 4 QBs without giving up a lot of draft capital, your targets are Stafford, Carr and Ryan, depending on who wants to move on from their respective QB. Stafford would be a massive upgrade over Smith with his ability to move the ball with chunk plays and consistently lead teams from behind to win games. You guys are forgetting that the Lions would have to eat his signing bonus if they trade him so we would just be taking on base salaries + roster bonuses + workout bonuses + other incentives. It is more likely that Stafford ends up costing the same money that Alex Smith is costing us and we have that number for 2 more seasons.

Trade a 2nd/3rd + Settle for Stafford so you can keep 3 picks in the top 100 to pick up 3 more impact impact players for 2021, including a TE and LB. If the Lions hire Riddick, you have a potential home for Haskins so maybe you can get away with moving a 2nd + Haskins and either keep Settle another a year or flip him for something else.