Knicks - Cavs PG

[Spree2Houston]

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Backhanded shade at the vets. It’s probably a shared sentiment amongst the young kids

[K_ick_God]

If he’s that tall and can pass and play D, plus he’s fast, and you know he will start knocking down shots, then he can make this team go.

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Frank who?

[ibraheim718]

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Aha.. well enjoy it you've got one more game of it before the team goes back to trying to get their moneys worth.

[thebuzzardman]

Knox is such a little mama's boy p*ssy with ADD from too many video games, but when he takes his Adderall (and Marcus Morris doesn't make him his b*tch) he's a fantastic offensive player. Shades of young Barkley when he goes coast-to-coast, incredible flush on the alley-oop, low key excellent vision, and just a beautiful rainbow stroke from deep. Skeptical he has the mental game to make it in the League, but the flashes of potential are impressive.

That ish is mind boggling.. you got every random scrub in the league chucking and trying to show out every second they're on the court and this fool is thinking he's in game 7 of the NBA finals. Frank is the same way. Guys it's okay to have some damn fun out there and fly around and get shots up and stay loose. I really hope the team employs a mental skills coach because at least 4 of these guys can use one for various reasons.

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[Black and Blue]

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Man this made me laugh way too hard.

[Guano]

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Backhanded shade at the vets. It’s probably a shared sentiment amongst the young kids

the ball moves and the spacing is solid. knox has an actual chance to flourish with them.

[K_ick_God]

Elf 2-12 smh.

[Clyde_Style]

Randle was great

if you don't get the f*ck outta here

Please help them. You're their only hope Obi Shamwobie

[ibraheim718]

Disagree

a good PG makes Randle better, Randle is only bad when he has the ball in his hands, if he’s getting set up properly, you maximize his value

Show me an example of that? Julius Randle has been the same effing airhead he's always been. His problem is he can have a good game statistically but if the team he's on should find themselves in a close game Randle will eventually either dribble the ball off his foot, throw the ball away, or barrel into a crowd and get called for a charge. He could be playing with Magic Johnson it doesn't matter. He's played with good point guards before.. it doesn't matter. His brand of basketball leads to losses, period.

Lakers fans **** love the guy, they were heartbroken when the team let him go

But It’s just common sense to me... if he doesn’t have to make decisions and doesn’t have the power to wave off the point guards you get the best of him without all the turnovers, bad decisions and selfishness

The only surefire way to ensure the bold happens is to not have him on the floor. If you can't trust the guy you're paying all that dough to to make the right decisions in crunch time and you have plans on winning as many basketball games as possible you get rid of him just like La and New Orleans both did.

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[sims]

Knox is such a little mama's boy p*ssy with ADD from too many video games, but when he takes his Adderall (and Marcus Morris doesn't make him his b*tch) he's a fantastic offensive player. Shades of young Barkley when he goes coast-to-coast, incredible flush on the alley-oop, low key excellent vision, and just a beautiful rainbow stroke from deep. Skeptical he has the mental game to make it in the League, but the flashes of potential are impressive.

i still don't see an nba player in knox in spite of the flashes tonight. too physically immature and unathletic to compete with men, and a coddled mental midget snowflake who belongs in a safe space. i hope i'm wrong but his issues seem permanent, not fixable.

i'm also not convinced that quickley has the body or the athleticism to handle big minutes at guard. it's pretty obvious to me why he was a projected 2RP. it's really unconscionable the amount of real guard talent we've passed up over the years, like the players who could actually help us aren't even on our radar. truly bizarre.

[justin12140]

My thoughts:

Quickley: Didn't shoot the ball well, but played with noticeably infectious energy. Made some good decisions on the offensive end that got the team into a groove

DSJ: Horrific first half. He's straight up not a point guard. He was really pesky on defense though(especially in the second half). Props to him for not letting his offense affect his defense. His decision making remains suspect though. Dude makes ONE 3 and heat checks a 3 from the same spot the very next possession. Honestly all of his terrible play this season has been when he's the lone ball handler on the court. He should never be on the floor without Quickley or Frank (he's played his best around both of them so far).

RJ: Struggled to get anything going with the zone, but he is a smart player and makes good decisions. Even when he doesn't have the ball, he somehow is always right at the rim in a timely manner for a dump off. He shouldn't not be playing with lineups with both Payton and Randle. I'd like to see him next to Quickley, Frank, Knox more

Knox: Was an entirely different player in the 4th quarter from the rest of the game. You could just see the confidence when he rose up for the j. Need more of that guy. We need a big body that can attack close outs and make 3s in the worst way. Would be great if he could be that guy

Mitch: Props to Mitch for being able to stay on the floor after being in foul trouble 2 straight games. He was a terror in the interior towards the end. Seriously though, he really really really needs to make better decisions on defense. He takes some of the dumbest fouls I've ever seen. He's figures out the fouling and he's starting over Noel no question.

Obi: Played ok. More than the defense he really needs to work on his defensive rebounding. We gave up a lot of open 3s because he couldn't corral the rebound. He should be gobbling up the boards with that athletiscm he has.

Payton: Just really struggled to score when the Cavs went to the zone. Worst shooter on the team so not very surprising. He played ok for most of the first half though.

Randle: Played his best ball this season in the first half. Was making quick decisions and didn't let the ball stick (although he still had some usual lapses). 3rd quarter he wasn't good. Was pressing a lot trying to figure things out by himself. I said this last year, but he should honestly be put on a 2 dribble limit in all face-up situations. Once he exceeds that, or goes to his spin move, its like a guaranteed turnover

Bullock: Might be washed after last seasons neck injury. 2 straight games of terrible shooting

Spellman: He's not in shape. Cut him lol

All in all I want Quickley and Frank to take all of DSJ and Bullock's minutes respectively. Hopefully Randle gets traded to open up more minutes at the 4 for Knox, which in turn opens up minutes for Frank at the 3 (which would also open up minutes for Rivers when he gets healthy).

[Clyde_Style]

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If you listen closely, you can hear the sound of DSJ's minutes flying out the window

Shame, really. We traded for him, put the pressure of being the centerpiece of a deal for our All Star, then never properly developed or supported him.

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[NYKat]

Show me an example of that? Julius Randle has been the same effing airhead he's always been. His problem is he can have a good game statistically but if the team he's on should find themselves in a close game Randle will eventually either dribble the ball off his foot, throw the ball away, or barrel into a crowd and get called for a charge. He could be playing with Magic Johnson it doesn't matter. He's played with good point guards before.. it doesn't matter. His brand of basketball leads to losses, period.

Lakers fans **** love the guy, they were heartbroken when the team let him go

But It’s just common sense to me... if he doesn’t have to make decisions and doesn’t have the power to wave off the point guards you get the best of him without all the turnovers, bad decisions and selfishness

The only surefire way to ensure the bold happens is to not have him on the floor. If you can't trust the guy you're paying all that dough to to make the right decisions in crunch time and you have plans on winning as many basketball games as possible you get rid of him just like La and New Orleans both did.

No doubt we’re trying to get rid of him...

But if you look at his minutes the guy is the best player on our team bar none

[Knicksfan1992]

it's not even that quickley is that great, it's that he's an actual threat from deep so he balances the lineup.

It was actually his facilitation that changed the game way more than him stretching the defense as a three point threat

Yes but everything is predicated from the fact teams have to guard him out on the perimeter. They can't play zone with quickley on the floor so it opens up P&R opportunities that people sagging off you wouldn't allow.

Just the threat opens things up

Yeah its pretty clear if you're going to start RJ, Julius and one of Mitch or Noel you cant start Elf with them. Its not even Elfs fault because i dont think hes actually the sole reason we're bad hes just an awful fit there and hes the easiest to replace.

You specifically will hate me for this but Rivers should start with that group and Burks lol. Hes a good enough threat from deep to bust a zone. Either that or Quickley but id rather Quickley run with the rest of the young guys on the 2nd unit.

[Dantares]

Fiz and Mike Miller did not understand RJ plays best with 3 shooters and a rim runner. maybe Thibs is going to be the one that figures it out.

[thebuzzardman]

It was actually his facilitation that changed the game way more than him stretching the defense as a three point threat

Yes but everything is predicated from the fact teams have to guard him out on the perimeter. They can't play zone with quickley on the floor so it opens up P&R opportunities that people sagging off you wouldn't allow.

Just the threat opens things up

Yeah its pretty clear if you're going to start RJ, Julius and one of Mitch or Noel you cant start Elf with them. Its not even Elfs fault because i dont think hes actually the sole reason we're bad hes just an awful fit there and hes the easiest to replace.

You specifically will hate me for this but Rivers should start with that group and Burks lol. Hes a good enough threat from deep to bust a zone. Either that or Quickley but id rather Quickley run with the rest of the young guys on the 2nd unit.

Knicks lineup is like that Fox, Chicken, Bag of feed and the canoe riddle. It's hard to work out the combinations but they are there.
Can't have RJ & Randle
Can't have Randle & Payton
Randle & Obi isn't the best idea
And so on

Just getting rid of Randle solves a lot of issues, even if he is technically the team's "best player"
And Payton might arguably be the "best PG" and he causes issues as well, because of the issues of the other players with his, as you stated

[Clyde_Style]

Yes but everything is predicated from the fact teams have to guard him out on the perimeter. They can't play zone with quickley on the floor so it opens up P&R opportunities that people sagging off you wouldn't allow.

Just the threat opens things up

Yeah its pretty clear if you're going to start RJ, Julius and one of Mitch or Noel you cant start Elf with them. Its not even Elfs fault because i dont think hes actually the sole reason we're bad hes just an awful fit there and hes the easiest to replace.

You specifically will hate me for this but Rivers should start with that group and Burks lol. Hes a good enough threat from deep to bust a zone. Either that or Quickley but id rather Quickley run with the rest of the young guys on the 2nd unit.

Knicks lineup is like that Fox, Chicken, Bag of feed and the canoe riddle. It's hard to work out the combinations but they are there.
Can't have RJ & Randle
Can't have Randle & Payton
Randle & Obi isn't the best idea
And so on

Just getting rid of Randle solves a lot of issues, even if he is technically the team's "best player"
And Payton might arguably be the "best PG" and he causes issues as well, because of the issues of the other players with his, as you stated

Payton is just not a good enough shooter to start. Need your PG able to make defenses that sag pay for their insolence

[cgmw]

It was actually his facilitation that changed the game way more than him stretching the defense as a three point threat

Yes but everything is predicated from the fact teams have to guard him out on the perimeter. They can't play zone with quickley on the floor so it opens up P&R opportunities that people sagging off you wouldn't allow.

Just the threat opens things up

Yeah its pretty clear if you're going to start RJ, Julius and one of Mitch or Noel you cant start Elf with them. Its not even Elfs fault because i dont think hes actually the sole reason we're bad hes just an awful fit there and hes the easiest to replace.

You specifically will hate me for this but Rivers should start with that group and Burks lol. Hes a good enough threat from deep to bust a zone. Either that or Quickley but id rather Quickley run with the rest of the young guys on the 2nd unit.

If Rivers is the one to put Elf on the shelf, you won't hear any complaints from New Yorkers.

Mitch | Noel | (Randle)
Randle | Obi
Burks | Knox
RJ | Frank
Rivers | Quickley

Trade Randle at the deadline and I'd be happy.

[thebuzzardman]

Yes but everything is predicated from the fact teams have to guard him out on the perimeter. They can't play zone with quickley on the floor so it opens up P&R opportunities that people sagging off you wouldn't allow.

Just the threat opens things up

Yeah its pretty clear if you're going to start RJ, Julius and one of Mitch or Noel you cant start Elf with them. Its not even Elfs fault because i dont think hes actually the sole reason we're bad hes just an awful fit there and hes the easiest to replace.

You specifically will hate me for this but Rivers should start with that group and Burks lol. Hes a good enough threat from deep to bust a zone. Either that or Quickley but id rather Quickley run with the rest of the young guys on the 2nd unit.

If Rivers is the one to put Elf on the shelf, you won't hear any complaints from New Yorkers.

Mitch | Noel | (Randle)
Randle | Obi
Burks | Knox
RJ | Frank
Rivers | Quickley

Trade Randle at the deadline and I'd be happy.

Good lineup. I had something like it but unrealistically put Quickley in the starting lineup.
This one makes sense.