Giannis is gone: Mavs Next Target

[Texas Chuck]

KP’s value is so odd, who is that perimeter player? What caliber of player could he get?

Yeah I've got the same issue. I just have no idea.

[ThatBoyNick]

Oh Blazers knows Luka plays PG--but lots of people list depth charts by the position they defend.

I think this is the most accurate way to list players. It bothers me to see guys like Simmons/Harden/Doncic/LBJ listed at PG knowing there isn’t a single PG in the league that is guarding those guys on court, and vice versa for the most part.

When are we going to list Jokic at PG? Top assist man in the league, main facilitator on his team, brings the ball up the court... and Never because he’s 7ft 280. Simmons is a ball handling PF, LBJ/Luka a point forward, Harden a ball dominant 2G/SF

[Scoot McGroot]

What about Oladipo via free agency? Anyone mention him?

He's mentioned in almost all the posts on the first page of this thread

[NYG]

KP’s value is so odd, who is that perimeter player? What caliber of player could he get?

Yeah I've got the same issue. I just have no idea.

What about something crazy-ish like KP, THJ, James Johnson and Jalen Brunson for Harrison Barnes, Buddy Hield, Richaun Holmes and Nemanja Bjelica?

[Texas Chuck]

KP’s value is so odd, who is that perimeter player? What caliber of player could he get?

Yeah I've got the same issue. I just have no idea.

What about something crazy-ish like KP, THJ, James Johnson and Jalen Brunson for Harrison Barnes, Buddy Hield, Richaun Holmes and Nemanja Bjelica?

That feels really bad for Dallas. They are trading the only other guy with any star impact potential for 4 role players. I think Dallas is notably worse immediately after this trade and have far less flexibility.

[NYG]

Yeah I've got the same issue. I just have no idea.

What about something crazy-ish like KP, THJ, James Johnson and Jalen Brunson for Harrison Barnes, Buddy Hield, Richaun Holmes and Nemanja Bjelica?

That feels really bad for Dallas. They are trading the only other guy with any star impact potential for 4 role players. I think Dallas is notably worse immediately after this trade and have far less flexibility.

Kemba Walker and picks? I don't know haha, KP has such strange value to me.

[BullyKing]

Yeah I've got the same issue. I just have no idea.

What about something crazy-ish like KP, THJ, James Johnson and Jalen Brunson for Harrison Barnes, Buddy Hield, Richaun Holmes and Nemanja Bjelica?

That feels really bad for Dallas. They are trading the only other guy with any star impact potential for 4 role players. I think Dallas is notably worse immediately after this trade and have far less flexibility.

Well I agree with you but in fairness to NYG, he did say it'd be crazy.

I can't think of anyone either but that's the way the NBA works. Someone none of could conceive as being available next offseason will be available.

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[Texas Chuck]

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[NYG]

Is Andre Drummond, Collin Sexton and Top 5 Protected 2021 First Round Draft Pick (Top 1 Protected 2022, Unprotected 2023) for Kristaps Porzingis getting any warmer?

[Texas Chuck]

Kemba Walker and picks? I don't know haha, KP has such strange value to me.

Kemba is a good name. Another player with some real variance to his value plus the Celtics could use a center.

[andyhop]

If KP has a semi healthy year then I can see a situation where Gobert is signed and KP gets moved for the best possible perimeter fit

I'd prefer KP but I can see a route whereby we end up with Gobert to solve defensive frailties and KP brings back that legit second offensive option.

I think if you can get the right trade for KP you have to move him unless your medical staff can convince you that he is going to be healthy going forwards. Without working it out exactly I have scored the same number of points in 30% of the games in KP"s career as he has and that is a real problem no matter how talented he may be

[Apz]

Oh Blazers knows Luka plays PG--but lots of people list depth charts by the position they defend.

I think this is the most accurate way to list players. It bothers me to see guys like Simmons/Harden/Doncic/LBJ listed at PG knowing there isn’t a single PG in the league that is guarding those guys on court, and vice versa for the most part.

When are we going to list Jokic at PG? Top assist man in the league, main facilitator on his team, brings the ball up the court... and Never because he’s 7ft 280. Simmons is a ball handling PF, LBJ/Luka a point forward, Harden a ball dominant 2G/SF

True, but when doing depth charts u dont put a PG in it at all. Like in this case, if u dont put Luka as PG, there is no pg on the floor. Like starting Luka Richardson, THJ, DFS, KP. Then a depthchart cant have just 2nd unit players listed on PG. So if a team with no PG goes up against say hawks, Trae isnt a PG since he got no PG to guard?

I see what u guys mean but it does create a mess in these positionless times.

[jpengland]

If KP has a semi healthy year then I can see a situation where Gobert is signed and KP gets moved for the best possible perimeter fit

I'd prefer KP but I can see a route whereby we end up with Gobert to solve defensive frailties and KP brings back that legit second offensive option.

Yeah that's a logical scenario. Where you and I differ is that I would prefer that scenario--in other words given a choice between KP and whatever else Dallas could do with cap space at this point or Gobert plus whatever return Dallas could get for KP, give me the latter.

KPs value is the difficult one.

If he's healthy and playing at his best, he's the perfect Luka fit as he opens up the lane for him to work whilst also being a great rim protector. But there will always be that health worry and potential to sink Lukas best years.

If he isn't healthy then what's his trade value anyway? Although I guess you bring back somebody good but overpaid as we will be over the cap anyway.

Gobert is a great fit if KP isn't here as he anchors the D whilst he's a fantastic roll man which we all know Carlisle can absolutely work wonders with. Problem is paying him max money and how he ages against that deal. The second he signs the max he's essentially untradable IMO.

[Jkam31]

Why would they SnT Gobert for Porzingis when they could just sign him

Why even sign Gilbert when Kleber is the better fit defensively and offensively

Please do not troll the board.

It’s not trolling.

Defensively Dallas already has Porzingis who can protect the rim at an elite level and his weakness is pick and roll defense. Gobert is a run protect yes the best in the league but he’s vulnerable out on the perimeter, having two guys in the front court not that good at pick and roll defense isn’t good. On the other hand Kleber can step out and defend the pick and roll and he can defend small ball PF’s ass well as guys like AD/Kawhi/Giannis/Lebron without downgrading in size.

Offensively Gobert is just a rim runner and can’t spread the floor at all. While Kleber can roll and at 37% from 3 on 4.5 attempts is close to elite form 3 at the center position. With Kleber Dallas has 5 guys in the lineup that can all shoot that leads to elite offense and Kleber doesn’t give up much defensively.

Why pay Gobert so much money when kleber fits so well and is a good player at half the price makes no sense

[Jkam31]

Also the Kenna Walker is a good target as well the only issue being his health and teams hunt him on defense.

[jpengland]

I think my other big issue with Gobert is sequencing.

You absolutely do not want KP and Gobert on the roster together.

So either you trade KP for wing bits before Gobert signs. You have a trade lined up to action. The second he does or you lose all leverage once Gobert signs as people know Dallas are desperate to trade him.

[JD45]

Kemba Walker's knee situation seems a lot worse than KPs. Degenerative vs contact injuries. I can't see the Mavericks having any interest in Walker at this stage with his contract. They really wanted him in the past and he seemed like a great fit, but its a different situation now.

[Buzzard]

Oh Blazers knows Luka plays PG--but lots of people list depth charts by the position they defend.

I think this is the most accurate way to list players. It bothers me to see guys like Simmons/Harden/Doncic/LBJ listed at PG knowing there isn’t a single PG in the league that is guarding those guys on court, and vice versa for the most part.

When are we going to list Jokic at PG? Top assist man in the league, main facilitator on his team, brings the ball up the court... and Never because he’s 7ft 280. Simmons is a ball handling PF, LBJ/Luka a point forward, Harden a ball dominant 2G/SF

It bothers me too. The difference between Magic Johnson and all these other big play makers is Johnson actually took on the defensive challenge to guard Isiah Thomas, Gary Payton, etc.

I think Simmons is closest in that regard to Magic. But the rest would tuck their tails and run at the sight of Isiah Thomas bouncing a ball in front of them.

[Buzzard]

I like Gobert and if that fails sign a couple of good players in the 15 million a year range, Good players and reasonable contracts are always trade chips.

Who knows? As good as Doncic is he could possibly carry a team of good players to the conference finals. Get that far, one injury or player suspension away from the finals.

[Ball4life32]

Yeah not a fan of the Gobert / KP fit. I think both fit best at C.