Giannis SIGNS

[paulpressey25]

What do you see as real, win-now value for Middleton?

Don’t know. Have no idea how other teams value him. But the boat anchor contract effect awaits in a year or two I believe.

That said, if you can’t deal him for positive or equal value right now, it would tend to indicate you made a mistake not trying to split his money last year between keeping Malcolm Brogdon and offering Bojan the contract he got from Utah.

[thonnisbeastley]

It's the little stupid moves that they keep **** up that bother me. They are often the difference between a title and not a title.

- Leaking the DDV pick, and as a result missing out on getting #30 as well.
- Not getting a trade exception for Brogdon
- Botching the Bogdan deal

Those three things could be the difference between winning a title and not.

So you can ignore the fact that like 90% of his moves have been solid to good over stuff like this? And you have evidence that Horst leaked the Bogdan trade? Really?? Please share it. We know they have some serious meddling owners but bless your heart if you if you don't think they were at the center of that. And I'm very confident that they didn't get a trade exception in the Brogdon deal because they didn't want to pay the luxury tax. It was by design to duck the tax without making it obvious.

Idk, extending Bledsoe mid-season was pretty dumb. Overpaying for Middleton. Signing Brook for 4 years.
Maybe not terrible mistakes, but definitely have impacted our ability to adjust/improve the roster. Hence the Jrue overpay.

[thonnisbeastley]

What do you see as real, win-now value for Middleton?

Don’t know. Have no idea how other teams value him. But the boat anchor contract effect awaits in a year or two I believe.

That said, if you can’t deal him for positive or equal value right now, it would tend to indicate you made a mistake not trying to split his money last year between keeping Malcolm Brogdon and offering Bojan the contract he got from Utah.

Bet Hambone would be all over him. Vucevic/Ross? Then trade Brook/DDV for Bogdan.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

What do you see as real, win-now value for Middleton?

Don’t know. Have no idea how other teams value him. But the boat anchor contract effect awaits in a year or two I believe.

That said, if you can’t deal him for positive or equal value right now, it would tend to indicate you made a mistake not trying to split his money last year between keeping Malcolm Brogdon and offering Bojan the contract he got from Utah.

just curious....do you think middIeton has more vaIue than gordon hayward? or what about even jrue for that matter?

[thonnisbeastley]

What do you see as real, win-now value for Middleton?

Don’t know. Have no idea how other teams value him. But the boat anchor contract effect awaits in a year or two I believe.

That said, if you can’t deal him for positive or equal value right now, it would tend to indicate you made a mistake not trying to split his money last year between keeping Malcolm Brogdon and offering Bojan the contract he got from Utah.

just curious....do you think middIeton has more vaIue than gordon hayward? or what about even jrue for that matter?

More than Hayward. Probably pretty equal to Jrue but slightly more.

[RRyder823]

I had to look up who he was. The Ringer NBA show is in my list of pods and I listen maybe once a month or whatever. But I've been lapping up all the NBA stuff today and his stuff was the most infuriating.

Synopsis? Unable to listen atm.

It literally started with the intro, as one of his guests (either Rob Mahoney or Michael Pena) mentioned how it was a good day for small market teams and Verier **** all over that. Then spent the next hour **** on this and Giannis and the Bucks and how it actually is a bad thing for the NBA.

I'm only 20 minutes into this and holy **** I can't believe I actually just heard (very slight paraphrasing) "its amazing we're praising Giannis while AD has been sneered at for forcing his way out. Isnt that what everyone wants these guys to do. Go the Lebron route? I mean thats what everyone wants right?"

Do these guys every talk to anyone outside of LA, NY or Miami?

Edit: Didnt seem that bad in the 2nd half of the podcast. They pretty much just talked about how it affects other teams that were saving space for him and how they might pivot. Maybe I listened to the wrong podcast but there were a few scorching takes early on after the opening pleasantries

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[Sigra]

For me worst move was letting Wes go to Lakers (for 3.6 millions) while giving Pat 15 millions. For me that is worse then BogBog thing (I was never high on Bogdanovic). Now we dont have starting SG AND our main opponent got him.

We will miss Wes and Hill a lot. Guys who play defense and dont force things. We replaced them with bad defenders Augustin and Forbes. Add Portis insteed of Ersan and its clear we will not be good at defense as we used to be. And our defense is main source of our offense.

In short, I dont expect best regular season record this year. Actually, I think we will have 3th best record at East. Lets say 45-27 in 72 games season. Which means we will not have home court advantage in 2nd round of playoffs.

[paulpressey25]

If you really wanna yell at your phone, listen to Justin Verier on the Ringer's NBA Show in their latest NBA pod today.

When Simmons started the Ringer he had Verrier come in to do their generic NBA show. I tried to give it a go for a year, but came to the conclusion that Justin is at the same level as a local sports radio guy here. After awhile it became painful to listen to. Really an hour of Everyman takes. Many times his guests have to correct him on things. Simmons needs a big upgrade for that show.

[ShootingtheJ]

For me worst move was letting Wes go to Lakers (for 3.6 millions) while giving Pat 15 millions. For me that is worse then BogBog thing (I was never high on Bogdanovic). Now we dont have starting SG AND our main opponent got him.

We will miss Wes and Hill a lot. Guys who play defense and dont force things. We replaced them with bad defenders Augustin and Forbes. Add Portis insteed of Ersan and its clear we will not be good at defense as we used to be. And our defense is main source of our offense.

In short, I dont expect best regular season record this year. Actually, I think we will have 3th best record at East. Lets say 45-27 in 72 games season. Which means we will not have home court advantage in 2nd round of playoffs.

Why are people insisting that Portis is replacing Ersan? It was completely clear in the 2 preseason games that Portis is the back up center only. Portis is a massive improvement over RoLo.

I don't like Forbes, but another big improvement this team makes is increasing the minutes of DDV. Wes was way over exposed. He was a niche player, and should have been used the way it looks like Torrey Craig will be used, only when the right match up exists.

Wilson is a defensive upgrade at the 4. The offense? I can't answer that yet.

All statistical models project the Bucks and Lakers as far and away the best teams in the NBA. Expecting to be only the 3rd best team in the East will leave you pleasantly surprised, and very wrong.

[Matches Malone]

Listening/watching Colin Cowherd look down at his nose and talk crap about small markets and what's best for the NBA was hilarious to watch. He is the face of coastal elite smugness.

[MVP2110]

Fully agreed. I think me maybe take a slight step back in the regular season, specifically I think we'll get off to a pretty slow start with all the new guys we have. But come playoff time I think we'll improved.

[JimmyTheKid]

What do you see as real, win-now value for Middleton?

Don’t know. Have no idea how other teams value him. But the boat anchor contract effect awaits in a year or two I believe.

That said, if you can’t deal him for positive or equal value right now, it would tend to indicate you made a mistake not trying to split his money last year between keeping Malcolm Brogdon and offering Bojan the contract he got from Utah.

I'd probably pay good money just for the knowledge of how other teams' front offices view Khris Middleton.

And yeah, again, that All-Star selection might have near doubled his price tag. Wonder what Midds' contract looks like if 90/50/40 Brogdon or two-way Bled was the (Milwaukee's record is so good they need a 2nd All-Star) choice instead.

[JimmyTheKid]

Listening/watching Colin Cowherd look down at his nose and talk crap about small markets and what's best for the NBA was hilarious to watch. He is the face of coastal elite smugness.

Cowherd is one of my favorites. He's great at his job. But just wait. About three months from now he'll have the complete opposite take. It will be well thought out and orated with conviction. You just have to hold on to the receipts. (which won't deter him from contradicting himself again and again) Is what it is. But he's entertaining.

[chonestown]

Listening/watching Colin Cowherd look down at his nose and talk crap about small markets and what's best for the NBA was hilarious to watch. He is the face of coastal elite smugness.

Cowherd is one of my favorites. He's great at his job. But just wait. About three months from now he'll have the complete opposite take. It will be well thought out and orated with conviction. You just have to hold on to the receipts. (which won't deter him from contradicting himself again and again) Is what it is. But he's entertaining.

I was going to dump on this post because I don't like Cowherd at all. And then I thought about it for a moment and I realized Cowherd IS great at his job. However, I abhor what that job is. Trying to recall an axiom regarding the mistargeted disgust aimed at participants and not at the endeavor.

Alas. It escapes me.

[buckboy]

Listening/watching Colin Cowherd look down at his nose and talk crap about small markets and what's best for the NBA was hilarious to watch. He is the face of coastal elite smugness.

And a complete and utter moron on every topic.

[buckboy]

Listening/watching Colin Cowherd look down at his nose and talk crap about small markets and what's best for the NBA was hilarious to watch. He is the face of coastal elite smugness.

Cowherd is one of my favorites. He's great at his job. But just wait. About three months from now he'll have the complete opposite take. It will be well thought out and orated with conviction. You just have to hold on to the receipts. (which won't deter him from contradicting himself again and again) Is what it is. But he's entertaining.

He's the worst and it's not close. I truly have no idea how anyone could like him. His own mom probably hates him.

[PG Graveyard]

Yeah Cowherd did the Giannis has to leave take because Middleton isn’t good enough about 3 days before he did a Lebron is the MVP because Giannis has more help. He makes you want to punch yourself in the face but I end up listening.

[Matches Malone]

Listening/watching Colin Cowherd look down at his nose and talk crap about small markets and what's best for the NBA was hilarious to watch. He is the face of coastal elite smugness.

Cowherd is one of my favorites. He's great at his job. But just wait. About three months from now he'll have the complete opposite take. It will be well thought out and orated with conviction. You just have to hold on to the receipts. (which won't deter him from contradicting himself again and again) Is what it is. But he's entertaining.

I was going to dump on this post because I don't like Cowherd at all. And then I thought about it for a moment and I realized Cowherd IS great at his job. However, I abhor what that job is. Trying to recall an axiom regarding the mistargeted disgust aimed at participants and not at the endeavor.

Alas. It escapes me.

Yeah, I stay away from anything like first take or whatever all these talking head shows are. I just happened to see his clip come up on Twitter and had to listen. He's amazing at creating drama and anger, which is the job, so kudos to him. I don't think I could live with myself but whatever floats his boat, good for him.

[coolhandluke121]

So you can ignore the fact that like 90% of his moves have been solid to good over stuff like this? And you have evidence that Horst leaked the Bogdan trade? Really?? Please share it. We know they have some serious meddling owners but bless your heart if you if you don't think they were at the center of that. And I'm very confident that they didn't get a trade exception in the Brogdon deal because they didn't want to pay the luxury tax. It was by design to duck the tax without making it obvious.

Idk, extending Bledsoe mid-season was pretty dumb. Overpaying for Middleton. Signing Brook for 4 years.
Maybe not terrible mistakes, but definitely have impacted our ability to adjust/improve the roster. Hence the Jrue overpay.

All those guys easily produced market value, and probably some surplus value, on their contracts last season - even Bledsoe. In case you haven't noticed, NBA players just make a lot these days, even if they're not all-stars. Brogdon ended up being the most overpaid of all their free agents last year, and he's the one they let go while actually getting a little something in return. I don't understand what the hell they were supposed to do, let their second all-star as well 2019's second-best player (Bledsoe until the ECF at least) walk for nothing off a 60-win team and then pat themselves on the back for being frugal??

[paulpressey25]

So you can ignore the fact that like 90% of his moves have been solid to good over stuff like this? And you have evidence that Horst leaked the Bogdan trade? Really?? Please share it. We know they have some serious meddling owners but bless your heart if you if you don't think they were at the center of that. And I'm very confident that they didn't get a trade exception in the Brogdon deal because they didn't want to pay the luxury tax. It was by design to duck the tax without making it obvious.

Idk, extending Bledsoe mid-season was pretty dumb. Overpaying for Middleton. Signing Brook for 4 years.
Maybe not terrible mistakes, but definitely have impacted our ability to adjust/improve the roster. Hence the Jrue overpay.

All those guys easily produced market value, and probably some surplus value, on their contracts last season - even Bledsoe. In case you haven't noticed, NBA players just make a lot these days, even if they're not all-stars. Brogdon ended up being the most overpaid of all their free agents last year, and he's the one they let go while actually getting a little something in return. I don't understand what the hell they were supposed to do, let their second all-star as well 2019's second-best player (Bledsoe until the ECF at least) walk for nothing off a 60-win team and then pat themselves on the back for being frugal??

Evergreen comment. Give me Brogdon at 4/$80 and Bojan at 4/$73 than Khris at 5/$178. Was very doable.

In most cases the team with a free agent gun to their head doesn’t have an acceptable plan B. They arguably had a plan B, but it would have required some guts to implement.