Knicks - Cavs PG

[rajajackal]

I loved the kids game.

But we have to acknowledge that they played the third team of one of the worst NBA rosters.

We beat a Cavs team of Matt Mooney, Dean Wade, Levi Randolph, Lamar Stevens and Marquese Bolden.

Sure but we also got blown out for 3 quarters by Matt Mooney, Dean Wade, Levi Randolph, Lamar Stevens, and Marquese Bolden.

why can't we proudly call it "stepping on the gas in the 4th" like lebron-led teams

[robillionaire]

I loved the kids game.

But we have to acknowledge that they played the third team of one of the worst NBA rosters.

We beat a Cavs team of Matt Mooney, Dean Wade, Levi Randolph, Lamar Stevens and Marquese Bolden.

That’s fair but at least they didn’t lose to those guys

[god shammgod]

IQ and RJ make the most sense fit wise. We will see if Thibs has the cojones to start him or play him a majority of minutes.

If say you started IQ, Burks, RJ, Obi, Mitch you would actually have some semblance of NBA shooting and spacing.

why get excited about the possibility something that will never happen ?

True but how long does thibs allow teams to just run 2-3 zone against us?

i'm pretty sure randle has played the most minutes so far, so he's never not playing major minutes. payton is gonna play a good amount of minutes too. and a bunch of those minutes will be together. could quickley replace dennis eventually ? sure. will it happen soon ? not likely.

[Richard4444]

I'd let him be the primary P&R guy, and Mitch will have to learn to adjust.
Or, hope there's a really reliable place where Obi makes jumpers, and let Mitch set the screens. Or run double screens\misdirects etc

mitch is literally the best pnr player in the league statistically. he is more likely to score as the roll man than anyone else. obi was an average pnr player in college. besides attempting to make obi look better there isn't a point to that. he has to learn to shoot the 3.

The guy barely can make FT and you want to make him a long ball threat?

He needs to improve himself as an elite rim runner first. He has to learn to defend without fouling out and to correctly set screens.

It will take years to be a fair long ball shooter.

[god shammgod]

I'd let him be the primary P&R guy, and Mitch will have to learn to adjust.
Or, hope there's a really reliable place where Obi makes jumpers, and let Mitch set the screens. Or run double screens\misdirects etc

mitch is literally the best pnr player in the league statistically. he is more likely to score as the roll man than anyone else. obi was an average pnr player in college. besides attempting to make obi look better there isn't a point to that. he has to learn to shoot the 3.

The guy barely can make FT and you want to make him a long ball threat?

He needs to improve himself as an elite rim runner first. He has to learn to defend without fouling out and to correctly set screens.

It will take years to be a fair long ball shooter.

you read it wrong. obi has to make 3s.

[thebuzzardman]

Just prioritize shooting and ball movement. It's just more pleasant to watch and it'll make them more competitive too.

Playables
RJ
Obi
Mitch
Knox
Quickley
Frank
Bullock
Burks
Maybe DSJr
Maybe Noel
Maybe Rivers

Non-Playables
Randle
Payton

I'd move Rivers up the list - probably in place of Bullock. Then again, it's my assumption Rivers can drive and score, dish a bit, and is a decent shooter. I'm not as aware about what is frustrating about watching him for 25 mpg, like if he's very streaky as a shooter.

Bullocks has too many cold nights as a shooter and isn't that skilled as a wing. He's more on the Trent Tucker/Novak side of the scale, bball player wise. He can put it on the floor a bit, but really, he's barely a guard. If he was deadly as a shooter with that, it would be fine. But he's not that knockdown.

[Jalen Bluntson]

So...the kids played well again. Fact. They beat the snot out of that scrub lineup. That means THEY PLAYED WELL AND DID WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO!!! Some of you are just too damn bitter.

That said....I would not care who starts... as long as the rotations we saw last night in the 4th continue to play together. Not spot minutes either. They may grow faster and develop more against bench units for a little while. As they build chemistry.

Thibs showed a lot more willingness to let the kids learn from their mistakes and play together than any coach we have ever had under Dolan.

[Juco24]

If we lose to a G league talent... we suck!!
If we beat a G league talent... we still suck?!?!

I don't get those discounting the performance. They did what they were SUPPOSED to do! I can recall when we would have sucked against these guys...as in like last year. Glad to see the kids performing well

just because a sucky team beats another sucky team, that doesnt make said sucky team unsucky.

So you're not the least bit optimistic? Some tend to leave out the part that we were playing with 2 rookies and also a 2nd year player along with 2 other 3rd year players.

[KnicksFan7]

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Sheesh Knox kept it real

No problem with it. Shows leadership and gives a look into the mind of what the younger guys are thinking.

[DaGawd]

So...the kids played well again. Fact. They beat the snot out of that scrub lineup. That means THEY PLAYED WELL AND DID WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO!!! Some of you are just too damn bitter.

That said....I would not care who starts... as long as the rotations we saw last night in the 4th continue to play together. Not spot minutes either. They may grow faster and develop more against bench units for a little while. As they build chemistry.

Thibs showed a lot more willingness to let the kids learn from their mistakes and play together than any coach we have ever had under Dolan.

I get your point but who starts really matters.. we can’t keep letting the starters dig these huge holes that we have to come back from because they can’t shoot for ****

[thebuzzardman]

Quickley / Frank
Barrett / Rivers
Knox / Bullock or Burks
Obi / Spellman
Mitch / Noel

Burks over Bullocks all day, every day. And I usually like defense, but Bullocks just isn't good enough, while Burks can shoot, drive, dish. He's just awful at defense.

Amazing how the lineups rationalize once you remove Randle and Elf.

Not that the team would be good or anything, just that it would make more sense and especially more sense for the development of RJ/Obi/Mitch

[mpharris36]

If we lose to a G league talent... we suck!!
If we beat a G league talent... we still suck?!?!

I don't get those discounting the performance. They did what they were SUPPOSED to do! I can recall when we would have sucked against these guys...as in like last year. Glad to see the kids performing well

I don't think anyone is discounting the performance...but people are also trying to be measured and realistic.

When CLE was playing anyone even NBA rotation worthy we were getting destroyed so its hard to look past that. But the kids stepped up late regardless of the competition. They erased a 10 pt lead with 6 minutes to go regardless of who they were playing that is impressive.

I will take any young kids playing well but also suggesting that this will carry over at all is a bit much too...60-80% of the players in the 4th qtr for the cavs wont even be on an NBA roster in a few days.

Just being honest for 3 and half qtrs this game was a disaster and comical with the way we were playing so I don't know if they were doing what they supposed to do...IQ turned the game around with his energy and playmaking props to him. Hopefully we continue to see more of those lineups with the young kids rather than Payton/Randle playing with themselves for 30 minutes.

[Richard4444]

I loved the kids game.

But we have to acknowledge that they played the third team of one of the worst NBA rosters.

We beat a Cavs team of Matt Mooney, Dean Wade, Levi Randolph, Lamar Stevens and Marquese Bolden.

Sure but we also got blown out for 3 quarters by Matt Mooney, Dean Wade, Levi Randolph, Lamar Stevens, and Marquese Bolden.

Drummond ended the game with + 17 and Garland + 20. They beat the starters.

The rest of the team was formed by G league players and some rookies.

[thebuzzardman]

Notice how Quickly just knew what to do and how to balance his aggressiveness in scoring and also knowing how to swing the ball around to the right guys at the right time without needing Thibs to hold his hand and call every play for him?

Quickly just operated on skill and instincts

He looked like a PG to me

I think he's a combo guard but he comes with a good set of skills and has a solid understanding of the game and can make nice reads and make good decisions. He can definitely be useful in two guard or three guard lineups or in one guard and multiple wings lineups.

Sounds like the kind of guard who fits decently with RJ, if not well.

Not presenting it as ideal moving forward, but best fit for now. And someone who can grow with RJ/have a role with a Cade/Suggs, either in 3 guard lineups or in a rotation off the bench but getting real minutes.

[god shammgod]

If we lose to a G league talent... we suck!!
If we beat a G league talent... we still suck?!?!

I don't get those discounting the performance. They did what they were SUPPOSED to do! I can recall when we would have sucked against these guys...as in like last year. Glad to see the kids performing well

I don't think anyone is discounting the performance...but people are also trying to be measured and realistic.

When CLE was playing anyone even NBA rotation worthy we were getting destroyed so its hard to look past that. But the kids stepped up late regardless of the competition. They erased a 10 pt lead with 6 minutes to go regardless of who they were playing that is impressive.

I will take any young kids playing well but also suggesting that this will carry over at all is a bit much too...60-80% of the players in the 4th qtr for the cavs wont even be on an NBA roster in a few days.

Just being honest for 3 and half qtrs this game was a disaster and comical with the way we were playing so I don't know if they were doing what they supposed to do...IQ turned the game around with his energy and playmaking props to him. Hopefully we continue to see more of those lineups with the young kids rather than Payton/Randle playing with themselves for 30 minutes.

they were also missing half their regular rotation

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[Reign23]

I never want to hear the "you have to earn your time" BS ever again--media, coaches, whomever--when we're talking about the future of the franchise compared to a bunch of JAGs who'll be gone next year.

but you will. vets playing game 1

[Juco24]

So...the kids played well again. Fact. They beat the snot out of that scrub lineup. That means THEY PLAYED WELL AND DID WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO!!! Some of you are just too damn bitter.

That said....I would not care who starts... as long as the rotations we saw last night in the 4th continue to play together. Not spot minutes either. They may grow faster and develop more against bench units for a little while. As they build chemistry.

Thibs showed a lot more willingness to let the kids learn from their mistakes and play together than any coach we have ever had under Dolan.

Man, it's like some literally want them to fail. I said this during one of the off-season threads. It's like some have a personal point to prove and show to this board that they were right about something. I just don't get it tbh. A game like this gives these young guys confidence and creates chemistry together. You don't get in the ring with the champ until you fight a lot of prelims. It's a process. I'd be a helluva lot more concerned had we played 'down' to the talent.

[KnicksFan7]

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LOL, RJ walks away, left his ass on the floor.

RJ looked like he was about a second away from throwing his hands up in disgust, but caught himself.

This has gotta be frustrating to watch for the young guys.

[mpharris36]

If we lose to a G league talent... we suck!!
If we beat a G league talent... we still suck?!?!

I don't get those discounting the performance. They did what they were SUPPOSED to do! I can recall when we would have sucked against these guys...as in like last year. Glad to see the kids performing well

I don't think anyone is discounting the performance...but people are also trying to be measured and realistic.

When CLE was playing anyone even NBA rotation worthy we were getting destroyed so its hard to look past that. But the kids stepped up late regardless of the competition. They erased a 10 pt lead with 6 minutes to go regardless of who they were playing that is impressive.

I will take any young kids playing well but also suggesting that this will carry over at all is a bit much too...60-80% of the players in the 4th qtr for the cavs wont even be on an NBA roster in a few days.

Just being honest for 3 and half qtrs this game was a disaster and comical with the way we were playing so I don't know if they were doing what they supposed to do...IQ turned the game around with his energy and playmaking props to him. Hopefully we continue to see more of those lineups with the young kids rather than Payton/Randle playing with themselves for 30 minutes.

they were also missing half their regular rotation

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Dante Exum didn't even play


Correct it was basically Garland, Okoro, and Drummond and they were still destroying us. It was even guys like Windler and Dean Wade where giving us the business....it wasn't until the Canton Charge lead by Matt Mooney when they basically threw in the towel.

[ezmoney707]

Quickley very well might be a starting PG in this league, it wasn’t even the assist numbers that impressed me last night , it was him directing players on the floor where to go. He had one play where the floor was crowded on one side and directed Mitch to come up to the roll position before he even had the ball back in his hands to run the pick n roll and then set up the lob to Mitch, that’s real PG play.