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[Juco24]

If we lose to a G league talent... we suck!!
If we beat a G league talent... we still suck?!?!

I don't get those discounting the performance. They did what they were SUPPOSED to do! I can recall when we would have sucked against these guys...as in like last year. Glad to see the kids performing well

I don't think anyone is discounting the performance...but people are also trying to be measured and realistic.

When CLE was playing anyone even NBA rotation worthy we were getting destroyed so its hard to look past that. [b]But the kids stepped up late regardless of the competition. They erased a 10 pt lead with 6 minutes to go regardless of who they were playing that is impressive.[/b]

I will take any young kids playing well but also suggesting that this will carry over at all is a bit much too...60-80% of the players in the 4th qtr for the cavs wont even be on an NBA roster in a few days.

Just being honest for 3 and half qtrs this game was a disaster and comical with the way we were playing so I don't know if they were doing what they supposed to do...IQ turned the game around with his energy and playmaking props to him. Hopefully we continue to see more of those lineups with the young kids rather than Payton/Randle playing with themselves for 30 minutes.

Not saying it is going to carry-over but you stated my point. Agreed. And to go along with Payton/Randle... I would be just fine not seeing Bullock again.

[Jalen Bluntson]

So...the kids played well again. Fact. They beat the snot out of that scrub lineup. That means THEY PLAYED WELL AND DID WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO!!! Some of you are just too damn bitter.

That said....I would not care who starts... as long as the rotations we saw last night in the 4th continue to play together. Not spot minutes either. They may grow faster and develop more against bench units for a little while. As they build chemistry.

Thibs showed a lot more willingness to let the kids learn from their mistakes and play together than any coach we have ever had under Dolan.

I get your point but who starts really matters.. we can’t keep letting the starters dig these huge holes that we have to come back from because they can’t shoot for ****

I get it..but...I don't fully agree. We need to play Randle...and he needs to play well. The rest of the vets...who cares? The kids have outplayed the vets 2 of three games so far. They played the best brand of ball we have seen. Primarily against other bench units. Almost exclusively. Let that rock for a minute and then see where it goes. They haven't proven anything yet and while I would love to throw them in the deep end... I will accept a slightly slower approach.

Randle needs to play the 5 more. Preferred off the bench. Does anyone see that happening?

IQ is the key. He may see time with RJ and the vets. That would be my guess. So as long as Thibs can work the subs in and have the kids run together like last night...I am 100% cool with that. We all know the Perrymonster roster. Players we can cut immediately. We also know that won't happen and they will get minutes for a while.

Let's see what the kids can do against better competition before we give them the starting 5 jobs.

[Richard4444]

mitch is literally the best pnr player in the league statistically. he is more likely to score as the roll man than anyone else. obi was an average pnr player in college. besides attempting to make obi look better there isn't a point to that. he has to learn to shoot the 3.

The guy barely can make FT and you want to make him a long ball threat?

He needs to improve himself as an elite rim runner first. He has to learn to defend without fouling out and to correctly set screens.

It will take years to be a fair long ball shooter.

you read it wrong. obi has to make 3s.

[Reign23]

i just finished the game and thought Quickley did pretty well. and then i saw this board. lmao. steph curry 2.0 because of a 3-11 1-6 night. thats how desperate we are.

[mpharris36]

If we lose to a G league talent... we suck!!
If we beat a G league talent... we still suck?!?!

I don't get those discounting the performance. They did what they were SUPPOSED to do! I can recall when we would have sucked against these guys...as in like last year. Glad to see the kids performing well

I don't think anyone is discounting the performance...but people are also trying to be measured and realistic.

When CLE was playing anyone even NBA rotation worthy we were getting destroyed so its hard to look past that. But the kids stepped up late regardless of the competition. They erased a 10 pt lead with 6 minutes to go regardless of who they were playing that is impressive.

I will take any young kids playing well but also suggesting that this will carry over at all is a bit much too...60-80% of the players in the 4th qtr for the cavs wont even be on an NBA roster in a few days.

Just being honest for 3 and half qtrs this game was a disaster and comical with the way we were playing so I don't know if they were doing what they supposed to do...IQ turned the game around with his energy and playmaking props to him. Hopefully we continue to see more of those lineups with the young kids rather than Payton/Randle playing with themselves for 30 minutes.

Not saying it is going to carry-over but you stated my point. Agreed. And to go along with Payton/Randle... I would be just fine not seeing Bullock again.

yeah bullock is buns as well. I think Frank will play over Bullock. Frank is a better defender and may even be a better shooter at this point.

IQ earned rotational minutes.

I just don't see them going away from Payton/Randle starting anytime soon...and we know RJ and a center will be playing to start games...so I see no way out of this hell unless Thibs pulls the plug on the Patyon/Randle situation...do you? I don't think they have the balls to do it.

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[thebuzzardman]

I just saw in a replay Knox's three quarter court outlet pass to RJ. It was very well done.

EDIT: just found a tweet of it

He boarded and passed in one motion. That's top level stuff. That takes some kind of court awareness. Maybe his hoops IQ is growing

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I'm really paraphrasing here, and I might not be remembering it accurately, but the knock on Knox (Dr Seuss) was that he had decent bball IQ but could drift a bit if he didn't touch the ball, kind of became "uninvolved" which affected his motor.

Now, fixing that is on Knox, but sometimes an organization has to understand what makes a player work

[BrownBearKing]

I loved the kids game.

But we have to acknowledge that they played the third team of one of the worst NBA rosters.

We beat a Cavs team of Matt Mooney, Dean Wade, Levi Randolph, Lamar Stevens and Marquese Bolden.

That’s fair but at least they didn’t lose to those guys

Yea, I had the mindset that, Knicks are playing bums. But decided to enjoy the young guys playing well. This is gonna be a ROUGH season. Might as well enjoy any moments of sunshine.

[robillionaire]

If they insist on starting RJ, Randle, and Noel/Mitch the fact of the matter is you need two shooting threats on the floor. And even then you’d need to hope RJ gets his shot right. Start Rivers and Burks or Quickley and Burks. You can not under any circumstance start Elfrid Payton in a lineup with those 3 players

Personally I’d go with a platoon system with vets Rivers, Burks, Bullock, Randle, Noel on one and Quickley, RJ, Knox, Toppin, Mitch on the other. Let these young players build chemistry together

DSJ and Frank as needed to fill in for Injuries, foul trouble, off nights, or situational use and cut Elfrid Payton

[god shammgod]

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because quickley is a threat to shoot, you have to play him up. if mitch sets a screen for payton you just fall back and let him shoot. it's not even really about who's better, it's about how it fits.

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[mpharris36]

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someone had to talk to mitch...those clips he was finally actually making contact with those screens and it made a world of difference.

[thebuzzardman]

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[YungKnicks]

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Ok NY kid

[YungKnicks]

Win or lose kids should be plaing the most minutes... still makes no sense to have Rivers, Payton etc.. on this team.

[god shammgod]

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[Juco24]

I don't think anyone is discounting the performance...but people are also trying to be measured and realistic.

When CLE was playing anyone even NBA rotation worthy we were getting destroyed so its hard to look past that. But the kids stepped up late regardless of the competition. They erased a 10 pt lead with 6 minutes to go regardless of who they were playing that is impressive.

I will take any young kids playing well but also suggesting that this will carry over at all is a bit much too...60-80% of the players in the 4th qtr for the cavs wont even be on an NBA roster in a few days.

Just being honest for 3 and half qtrs this game was a disaster and comical with the way we were playing so I don't know if they were doing what they supposed to do...IQ turned the game around with his energy and playmaking props to him. Hopefully we continue to see more of those lineups with the young kids rather than Payton/Randle playing with themselves for 30 minutes.

Not saying it is going to carry-over but you stated my point. Agreed. And to go along with Payton/Randle... I would be just fine not seeing Bullock again.

yeah bullock is buns as well. I think Frank will play over Bullock. Frank is a better defender and may even be a better shooter at this point.

IQ earned rotational minutes.

I just don't see them going away from Payton/Randle starting anytime soon...and we know RJ and a center will be playing to start games...so I see no way out of this hell unless Thibs pulls the plug on the Patyon/Randle situation...do you? I don't think they have the balls to do it.

And bro... THAT there is my main problem! Many will recall how I've defended Randle in the past (never liked Payton) but I saw something these past games, that guys had been trying to get me to see (yeah I'm thick-headed, but will admit when I'm wrong).

But it's not that Randle is a bad player imo but it's that when he's not centered (focal point) on the offense, he disappears. RJ needs space to operate - THAT'S A FACT. But when Randle's in the game, Randle (if he doesn't have the ball) becomes a statue. But watch when Obi is in... Obi moves without the ball and RJ can either find him or create for himself. Point is, that the defender doesn't know what to expect - but when Randle is in, the defender knows EXACTLY where Randle will be and can close the lane. And everyone except Randle realizes he's not good enough to be the #1 option.

Payton is just doo-doo to me... can't stand his play.

But to your point, I 100% agree and guarantee you that Payton & Randle will continue to start. My only hope right now is that after 5 minutes (hopefully less) Thibs replaces Randle/Payton/Bullock or Burks or Rivers with Obi/IQ & Knox

[thebuzzardman]

Did y’all release your grip of Dotson’s nutsack yet?

Deathgrip for some

[Juco24]

Win or lose kids should be plaing the most minutes... still makes no sense to have Rivers, Payton etc.. on this team.