Giannis SIGNS

[emunney]

I also think the DDV thing was nonsense. Consider the source. That dude is a liar.

[raferfenix]

Think we can say with 99.9% certainty that the Bogdan deal didn't happen because the tampering hammer would have come down hard from Silver. The timing of it all. The Woj tweet. The fact that they could have still made the money work even after waiving Ersan and signing Pat with Bird rights. Schlenk, Riley, plus a bunch of other rival team execs complained to the league office, and the league caved to the whims of the Giannis suitors who'd like to give him any reason to not stay in Milwaukee. The evidence is just too overwhelming that this was the case.

Giannis' praise of Horst makes me think this scenario is that much more likely.

I could imagine Bogdan agreeing to take the $15 mill per year we could offer post-Holiday as opposed to the $18 mill he was originally going to get --- despite Bogdan telling Giannis and bro's he didn't agree to anything.

That said, from the reporting it seems like we couldn't offer him $18 million without Bledsoe going to the Kings.

In that case, we needed Bogdan to take less to come here, and even if the tampering would have been definitive on its own, I'm sure the money situation didn't help.

[coolhandluke121]

So you can ignore the fact that like 90% of his moves have been solid to good over stuff like this? And you have evidence that Horst leaked the Bogdan trade? Really?? Please share it. We know they have some serious meddling owners but bless your heart if you if you don't think they were at the center of that. And I'm very confident that they didn't get a trade exception in the Brogdon deal because they didn't want to pay the luxury tax. It was by design to duck the tax without making it obvious.

"It's the owners fault, you can't blame the GM"

Where have I heard that before.... hmmm....


It's the GM's job to shut the **** owners up and get them on board. To explain why keeping a lid on things is important and get them to buy in. It's the GMs job to tell the owners that flexibility financially matters.

You don't have to use a trade exception if you get it, but the OPTION IS THERE.

So to be clear, you're saying the GM is responsible for making sure his attention-craving billionaire boss doesn't leak to the press?

And you're saying that the GM is responsible for pressuring his boss to make sure they get a trade exception that would put them in the luxury tax when the owner doesn't want to pay the luxury tax?

If you answer yes to either of those questions, you're not being even remotely reasonable.

[KidA24]

So you can ignore the fact that like 90% of his moves have been solid to good over stuff like this? And you have evidence that Horst leaked the Bogdan trade? Really?? Please share it. We know they have some serious meddling owners but bless your heart if you if you don't think they were at the center of that. And I'm very confident that they didn't get a trade exception in the Brogdon deal because they didn't want to pay the luxury tax. It was by design to duck the tax without making it obvious.

"It's the owners fault, you can't blame the GM"

Where have I heard that before.... hmmm....


It's the GM's job to shut the **** owners up and get them on board. To explain why keeping a lid on things is important and get them to buy in. It's the GMs job to tell the owners that flexibility financially matters.

You don't have to use a trade exception if you get it, but the OPTION IS THERE.

So to be clear, you're saying the GM is responsible for making sure his attention-craving billionaire boss doesn't leak to the press?

And you're saying that the GM is responsible for pressuring his boss to make sure they get a trade exception that would put them in the luxury tax when the owner doesn't want to pay the luxury tax?

If you answer yes to either of those questions, you're not being even remotely reasonable.

Yes, communicating is part of the GMs job. Getting ownership to buy into what is happening is part of the GMs job. Explaining to ownership the fine line between winning and not winning and what these leaks have cost the team is part of the GMs job.

[Siefer]

I'm just not confident I understand where the league was coming from with the tampering hammer. I think Giannis staying was obviously great for the NBA, and the decision to go after us was so far outside the norm. Did it really just come down to the Woj tweet? We're already seeing hints that the Bucks and other stakeholders are freezing him out, so I wonder if that's where the blame is being placed.

[ShootingtheJ]

Idk, extending Bledsoe mid-season was pretty dumb. Overpaying for Middleton. Signing Brook for 4 years.
Maybe not terrible mistakes, but definitely have impacted our ability to adjust/improve the roster. Hence the Jrue overpay.

All those guys easily produced market value, and probably some surplus value, on their contracts last season - even Bledsoe. In case you haven't noticed, NBA players just make a lot these days, even if they're not all-stars. Brogdon ended up being the most overpaid of all their free agents last year, and he's the one they let go while actually getting a little something in return. I don't understand what the hell they were supposed to do, let their second all-star as well 2019's second-best player (Bledsoe until the ECF at least) walk for nothing off a 60-win team and then pat themselves on the back for being frugal??

Evergreen comment. Give me Brogdon at 4/$80 and Bojan at 4/$73 than Khris at 5/$178. Was very doable.

In most cases the team with a free agent gun to their head doesn’t have an acceptable plan B. They arguably had a plan B, but it would have required some guts to implement.

OK, what if a offer you a 1st and 2- 2nds to take the Middleton deal? It can't be ignored that we received serious compensation for Brogdan despite him wanting out, simply because he was a RFA instead of an UFA.

Now, Middleton has been consistently more valuable than those 2 combined, without even throwing in the value of the player who plays opposite of Middleton. That should be factored in, we get 5 players on the floor.

[WRau1]

Why does the Brogdon TPE keep being brought up when it wasn't even possible unless Horst went back to Hill and Lopez to adjust their contracts? Asking a player to adjust their pay when it was already agreed upon is bad look.

[crkone]

Brogdon would be great until he misses a round or two in the playoffs because he hurt himself again.

[drdrG]

I don't know why folks are so down on Middleton's value to our team much less league wide.

All-Star caliber 3 and D wings who can score in a variety of ways and defend multiple positions are tough as hell to come by in this day and age.

He plays perfectly with Giannis and would fit any team.

We'd get a ton for him if we were to trade him. However considering the emphasis Giannis has placed on loyalty as part of extending (and that persuasive dinner with Midds + Brook + Pat) I'm not sure that is what he'd really want right now at least.

Yeah Middleton is not Scottie Pippen or peak Klay Thompson. But I'm far from convinced downgrading Middleton to the likes of Brogdon + Bojan would help us on the court or the trade market.

Rather the Brogdon decision appears to have been made when we extended Bledsoe. But even then we could have still kept him and gone into the tax, we just couldn't have signed Rolo and maybe would have needed to let Hill go (who we ultimately traded anyways).

I wish I knew this to be fact.

And yeah, its also kinda funny how we do this "Giannis loves this guy so he has to stay" (Midds/Horst) thing out of one side of our mouths but when Giannis heaps praise on Jason Kidd or its widely known he loves Pat C, resulting in a 3-year deal, its "Giannis is a bad GM." Can't have it both ways.

I don't think there is any doubt that Giannis loves Khris. But he also had Bradley Beal as an offseason target. I mean the only chance in hell we were getting Beal is if Middleton was going out for him. I just think, since Giannis arrived, there have been very few members of the Bucks organization he hasn't gotten along with. Now that he's locked in for the super max, we shouldn't be passing up opportunities to get better in fear of moving someone he likes.

He has repeatedly said great things about Thon Maker and Christian Wood when they left, wished Jabari all the best, remains friends with Tony Snell and many of the other players who have left. I think you keep his family and the players that help the team. He seems mature about the business of the NBA. I think his personality means that players brought in have to be no nonsense.

[2Fast2Gadzuric]

Evergreen comment. Give me Brogdon at 4/$80 and Bojan at 4/$73 than Khris at 5/$178. Was very doable.

In most cases the team with a free agent gun to their head doesn’t have an acceptable plan B. They arguably had a plan B, but it would have required some guts to implement.

Sure then you get Brogdan and Bojan and you see Giannis and Khris playing for other teams. You pay Khris to be able to pay Giannis.

[Ron Swanson]

Giannis loves (mostly) everyone. Keeping Khris is important because he's a Top-30 basketball player on the planet and should have nothing to do with how chummy he is with Giannis. I don't like that the Pat contract is 3-years, but paying $4-5 million for a serviceable bench wing is whatever. We had his Bird rights and he was the easier guy to retain between him and Wes.

[aboveAverage]

It’s beyond amazing that we have Giannis for the next five years. But we need to focus on improving the team. I don’t think we are quite there yet. We’re still missing a solid 3rd star/semi star. I’m not sure what moves we can make in the future because we basically went all in on this team. Do we basically need to get super lucky in the draft next season?

[jschligs]

It’s beyond amazing that we have Giannis for the next five years. But we need to focus on improving the team. I don’t think we are quite there yet. We’re still missing a solid 3rd star/semi star. I’m not sure what moves we can make in the future because we basically went all in on this team. Do we basically need to get super lucky in the draft next season?

Do you not see Midds/Jrue as a 3rd semi-star? I think it’s easily Giannis #1, Midds and Jrue 2a and 2b.

[TD75]

Please stop trying to rationalize FO decisions based on assumptions you make regarding Giannis' wishes.

Not only is it speculation, it has been disproven multiple times in the past.

The FO is responsible for all FO operations (including the leaks). If that is not the case, then they are responsible for not doing their job.

[MissKhriddleton]

It’s beyond amazing that we have Giannis for the next five years. But we need to focus on improving the team. I don’t think we are quite there yet. We’re still missing a solid 3rd star/semi star. I’m not sure what moves we can make in the future because we basically went all in on this team. Do we basically need to get super lucky in the draft next season?

Do you not see Midds/Jrue as a 3rd semi-star? I think it’s easily Giannis #1, Midds and Jrue 2a and 2b.

3a and 3b. We still need a number 2.

[Ron Swanson]

Glad that with Giannis now signing the extension, we can go back to the board's familiar safe space of constantly **** on the second best player the franchise has had since Ray Allen.

[Licensed to Il]

This board, collectively, is above average in assessing other team’s players. It also tends to love our own guys when they first come here, then obsessively pick them apart the longer they are here. I have a friend with a cute wife who took cooking classes over a summer at some fancy club in Kohler. But my buddy would taste the dinner, and complain about it being too salty. I said dude, you have a good thing going here. That is how most here treat Kris.

Top 30 player and elite shooter and competent wing defender, But if all you did was read this board, you might think he was the biggest fraud in the league.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

So you can ignore the fact that like 90% of his moves have been solid to good over stuff like this? And you have evidence that Horst leaked the Bogdan trade? Really?? Please share it. We know they have some serious meddling owners but bless your heart if you if you don't think they were at the center of that. And I'm very confident that they didn't get a trade exception in the Brogdon deal because they didn't want to pay the luxury tax. It was by design to duck the tax without making it obvious.

"It's the owners fault, you can't blame the GM"

Where have I heard that before.... hmmm....


It's the GM's job to shut the **** owners up and get them on board. To explain why keeping a lid on things is important and get them to buy in. It's the GMs job to tell the owners that flexibility financially matters.

You don't have to use a trade exception if you get it, but the OPTION IS THERE.

So to be clear, you're saying the GM is responsible for making sure his attention-craving billionaire boss doesn't leak to the press?

And you're saying that the GM is responsible for pressuring his boss to make sure they get a trade exception that would put them in the luxury tax when the owner doesn't want to pay the luxury tax?

If you answer yes to either of those questions, you're not being even remotely reasonable.

he left out the part where the gm makes the coach better and makes sure players get to bed on time and dont get hurt either

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

It’s beyond amazing that we have Giannis for the next five years. But we need to focus on improving the team. I don’t think we are quite there yet. We’re still missing a solid 3rd star/semi star. I’m not sure what moves we can make in the future because we basically went all in on this team. Do we basically need to get super lucky in the draft next season?

Do you not see Midds/Jrue as a 3rd semi-star? I think it’s easily Giannis #1, Midds and Jrue 2a and 2b.

3a and 3b. We still need a number 2.

of the top 15 guys in the league whose your target?

[SirChurros]

The **** Middleton gets from this board is just hilarious.