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I really don't think any player, besides maybe Payton, really likes playing with Randle. He rubs off bad energy on the ball
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The locker room is gonna be split by the end of the season if they keep Payton and Randle. It's not the first sign that Frank-RJ are at odds with them. I'm not saying these guys have beef, but the level of frustration has been mounting since last season and it will continue to increase.
I don't think Randle and Payton care much about winning basketball games to be honest. At the very least, they don't appear to be obsessed with winning, and it shows in their unwillingness to sacrifice when they're on the court.
RJ is cut from a different cloth. He has his flaws but he wants to win, there's no doubt whatsoever about that.
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Shoryuken wrote:Clyde_Style wrote:
We hadn't seen the part with RJ and Frank. Not surprising at all. Those guys must despise playing with Randle (and Payton too).
This isn't the first time I seen rj and others do the same when randle does some of his stupid antics
Randle's learning curve with the spin move is non-existent. If he removed it entirely from his game it would be a significant improvement. How hard is it to learn to never do a spin move?

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I've noticed that despite ball hogging and bad play, RJ didn't bend and start playing recklessly. He still played within himself and unselfishly. That's rare to see even with Randle doing Randle.
I think it's true that Randle didn't have a bad game. But the team did while he was doing okay. He's just not a good player where he's the guy and plays like the guy. And I don't know how much he can shrink his game to fit around good players, but he is obviously capable of good stats ... and usually that means a team will take a look.
The Rockets just got Wall coming off a big injury and never winning much, with a gigantic contract, because his stats/history is productive.
I think it's true that Randle didn't have a bad game. But the team did while he was doing okay. He's just not a good player where he's the guy and plays like the guy. And I don't know how much he can shrink his game to fit around good players, but he is obviously capable of good stats ... and usually that means a team will take a look.
The Rockets just got Wall coming off a big injury and never winning much, with a gigantic contract, because his stats/history is productive.
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stuporman wrote:Sure, the 4th quarter comeback was against the Cleveland G-league team but that is exactly what we want to see from the young guys, they absolutely destroyed that bunch of 3rd stringers by 20 points in the quarter.
exactly. like they spose ta.
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because the alternative is... they could NOT do that. it's good for them to see the fruits of effort and execution. period. make them believe they can do these things. full stop.
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Dave DaButcher wrote:?s=21
in the smallest sample size you can imagine. but word. i see it.
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Loved the energy yesterday! I feel we should break this team up into 2 groups.
Quickley/ DSj-Frank-Payton
RJ/ Rivers
Knox/ Burk
Obi/ Randle
Mitch/ Noel
Start the game with youth and preach defense and pace. Then have the vets there if pace needs to be changed. Mixing both together is not working. Allow the players who are at the same speed to cook together.
Quickley/ DSj-Frank-Payton
RJ/ Rivers
Knox/ Burk
Obi/ Randle
Mitch/ Noel
Start the game with youth and preach defense and pace. Then have the vets there if pace needs to be changed. Mixing both together is not working. Allow the players who are at the same speed to cook together.
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Iggy hasn't even played yet and he's better than Randle
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Jeff Van Gully wrote:stuporman wrote:Sure, the 4th quarter comeback was against the Cleveland G-league team but that is exactly what we want to see from the young guys, they absolutely destroyed that bunch of 3rd stringers by 20 points in the quarter.
exactly. like they spose ta.Spoiler:
because the alternative is... they could NOT do that. it's good for them to see the fruits of effort and execution. period. make them believe they can do these things. full stop.
(Sorry I quoted the wrong post.)
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Randle is jealous of Barrett. It shows on the court. Randle wants to be “The Guy” and Barrett is a threat to that. So he’ll make sure he’ll never pass to him unless he’s completely wide open. This is all about egos
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Yall know what it is fam:
https://knicksfantv.com/knicks-100-vs-cavaliers-93-recap-and-player-reviews/
A couple excerpts for the new jacks:
https://knicksfantv.com/knicks-100-vs-cavaliers-93-recap-and-player-reviews/
A couple excerpts for the new jacks:
Immanuel Quickley: Immanuel Quickley came into the game for a struggling squad and made things happen. As soon as he touched the ball, he was focused on attacking the defense and the results were there despite some shortcomings efficiency wise. He was the brightest spot on a night when a lot of young players found ways to shine.
Quickley earned 25 minutes to produce 9 points and 7 assists to 2 TO’s. He shot 3/11 from the field and 1/6 from three but just being willing to shoot in space he created a ton of gravity. Quickley drew closeouts and attacked them with nice pump fakes and strong first steps. His touch on floaters made him dangerous when he got his feet into the paint, which happened frequently. Once the shooting and inside touch drew more attention, he punished the defense with lobs to big men. In short, IQ looked like the Knicks best point guard out there.
That’s not to ignore some blemishes. The rookie forced some of his shots and also missed some open looks. He’s known for his jumper, so no one should be too worried but the three has to fall for his efficacy to continue. I have to throw in that Quickley also showed savvy when drawing reaching fouls. Twice in a row, IQ felt contact and immediately went to a shooting motion. He didn’t get the free throws, but it was another sign of intelligent guard play that even Clyde complimented.
Obi Toppin: The zone defense continued to take away some of Obi Toppin’s most effective spots on the floor, but he responded much better in his second run against it. Toppin knocked down a pretty midrange jumper early, then did his work inside with cuts and dunks. The Knicks top pick didn’t settle for waiting outside and by moving without the ball, he was able to become a lob target for teammates, ending the game with the highlight of the night.
Toppin played 31 minutes and managed 8 points and 7 boards in that time. It’s far from monster production but it was a promising showing from a brand new pro. Toppin went 4/6 from the field and 0/2 from three, everything he took inside went in. Settling for the three-point shot on fewer occasions and building his game from the inside out is exactly what I want to see from Obi.
The adjustments that we saw from Obi against the zone make me hopeful about his b-ball IQ. The last trip out was a bit of a nightmare for Toppin with struggles handling the ball and shooting. He addressed that by doing his work off the ball to receive it in better spots. While he builds on his game, that’s the type of shift in mindset that I like to see. He didn’t shrink or back down, he just found a different way to be productive. I can’t wait for the Garden to be full again when this kid dunks. It’s going to be special.
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Jeff Van Gully wrote:Dave DaButcher wrote:?s=21
in the smallest sample size you can imagine. but word. i see it.
If this continues he'll finish top 5 in MVP voting.

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prophet_of_rage wrote:Knox sucks. The.Knicks have played Detroit and the Cavs. Don't get too excited.El Poochio wrote:Lol people actually doubted Knox?
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j4remi wrote:Yall know what it is fam:
https://knicksfantv.com/knicks-100-vs-cavaliers-93-recap-and-player-reviews/
A couple excerpts for the new jacks:Immanuel Quickley: Immanuel Quickley came into the game for a struggling squad and made things happen. As soon as he touched the ball, he was focused on attacking the defense and the results were there despite some shortcomings efficiency wise. He was the brightest spot on a night when a lot of young players found ways to shine.
Quickley earned 25 minutes to produce 9 points and 7 assists to 2 TO’s. He shot 3/11 from the field and 1/6 from three but just being willing to shoot in space he created a ton of gravity. Quickley drew closeouts and attacked them with nice pump fakes and strong first steps. His touch on floaters made him dangerous when he got his feet into the paint, which happened frequently. Once the shooting and inside touch drew more attention, he punished the defense with lobs to big men. In short, IQ looked like the Knicks best point guard out there.
That’s not to ignore some blemishes. The rookie forced some of his shots and also missed some open looks. He’s known for his jumper, so no one should be too worried but the three has to fall for his efficacy to continue. I have to throw in that Quickley also showed savvy when drawing reaching fouls. Twice in a row, IQ felt contact and immediately went to a shooting motion. He didn’t get the free throws, but it was another sign of intelligent guard play that even Clyde complimented.Obi Toppin: The zone defense continued to take away some of Obi Toppin’s most effective spots on the floor, but he responded much better in his second run against it. Toppin knocked down a pretty midrange jumper early, then did his work inside with cuts and dunks. The Knicks top pick didn’t settle for waiting outside and by moving without the ball, he was able to become a lob target for teammates, ending the game with the highlight of the night.
Toppin played 31 minutes and managed 8 points and 7 boards in that time. It’s far from monster production but it was a promising showing from a brand new pro. Toppin went 4/6 from the field and 0/2 from three, everything he took inside went in. Settling for the three-point shot on fewer occasions and building his game from the inside out is exactly what I want to see from Obi.
The adjustments that we saw from Obi against the zone make me hopeful about his b-ball IQ. The last trip out was a bit of a nightmare for Toppin with struggles handling the ball and shooting. He addressed that by doing his work off the ball to receive it in better spots. While he builds on his game, that’s the type of shift in mindset that I like to see. He didn’t shrink or back down, he just found a different way to be productive. I can’t wait for the Garden to be full again when this kid dunks. It’s going to be special.
Good read...though you still shouldn't have won rookie of the year over me :-p
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If Knox and IQ thrive Kenny Payne is going to become a real mover and shaker within the Knicks org
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j4remi wrote:Yall know what it is fam:
https://knicksfantv.com/knicks-100-vs-cavaliers-93-recap-and-player-reviews/
A couple excerpts for the new jacks:Immanuel Quickley: Immanuel Quickley came into the game for a struggling squad and made things happen. As soon as he touched the ball, he was focused on attacking the defense and the results were there despite some shortcomings efficiency wise. He was the brightest spot on a night when a lot of young players found ways to shine.
Quickley earned 25 minutes to produce 9 points and 7 assists to 2 TO’s. He shot 3/11 from the field and 1/6 from three but just being willing to shoot in space he created a ton of gravity. Quickley drew closeouts and attacked them with nice pump fakes and strong first steps. His touch on floaters made him dangerous when he got his feet into the paint, which happened frequently. Once the shooting and inside touch drew more attention, he punished the defense with lobs to big men. In short, IQ looked like the Knicks best point guard out there.
That’s not to ignore some blemishes. The rookie forced some of his shots and also missed some open looks. He’s known for his jumper, so no one should be too worried but the three has to fall for his efficacy to continue. I have to throw in that Quickley also showed savvy when drawing reaching fouls. Twice in a row, IQ felt contact and immediately went to a shooting motion. He didn’t get the free throws, but it was another sign of intelligent guard play that even Clyde complimented.Obi Toppin: The zone defense continued to take away some of Obi Toppin’s most effective spots on the floor, but he responded much better in his second run against it. Toppin knocked down a pretty midrange jumper early, then did his work inside with cuts and dunks. The Knicks top pick didn’t settle for waiting outside and by moving without the ball, he was able to become a lob target for teammates, ending the game with the highlight of the night.
Toppin played 31 minutes and managed 8 points and 7 boards in that time. It’s far from monster production but it was a promising showing from a brand new pro. Toppin went 4/6 from the field and 0/2 from three, everything he took inside went in. Settling for the three-point shot on fewer occasions and building his game from the inside out is exactly what I want to see from Obi.
The adjustments that we saw from Obi against the zone make me hopeful about his b-ball IQ. The last trip out was a bit of a nightmare for Toppin with struggles handling the ball and shooting. He addressed that by doing his work off the ball to receive it in better spots. While he builds on his game, that’s the type of shift in mindset that I like to see. He didn’t shrink or back down, he just found a different way to be productive. I can’t wait for the Garden to be full again when this kid dunks. It’s going to be special.
I do believe in Obi. I think he possesses hoops IQ and is already showing a willingness to learn and adapt. I believe him and RJ are going to figure it out together
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The thing I love the most about the young guys (most of them at least) is that they play hard and they definitely want to him. That’s something that clearly jumped out to me with Quickley last night, Obi seems to be in that mold, RJ is a menace almost, Frank has shown moments like that (especially vs Dallas and other games), Mitch has shown it too, etc..
Knox shows the fire every so often too but I think he’s been pulled and pushed in so many directions he isn’t fully into it all the time which is a shame (similar to Frank in that regard). That being said watching the young guys exude the energy and excitement they did down the stretch last night was so much fun to watch. I know it was vs a horrible Cavs team (and some of their at best reserves), but they wanted to win and you could very easily see it. They played unselfishly and hard. Quickley, Obi, and RJ got Knox to even get into it.
Play the kids heavy minutes. Thibs wants the team to play hard and care about winning and losing... you aren’t going to get that with Randle and Payton. They could care less
Knox shows the fire every so often too but I think he’s been pulled and pushed in so many directions he isn’t fully into it all the time which is a shame (similar to Frank in that regard). That being said watching the young guys exude the energy and excitement they did down the stretch last night was so much fun to watch. I know it was vs a horrible Cavs team (and some of their at best reserves), but they wanted to win and you could very easily see it. They played unselfishly and hard. Quickley, Obi, and RJ got Knox to even get into it.
Play the kids heavy minutes. Thibs wants the team to play hard and care about winning and losing... you aren’t going to get that with Randle and Payton. They could care less
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KnicksGod wrote:Jeff Van Gully wrote:stuporman wrote:Sure, the 4th quarter comeback was against the Cleveland G-league team but that is exactly what we want to see from the young guys, they absolutely destroyed that bunch of 3rd stringers by 20 points in the quarter.
exactly. like they spose ta.Spoiler:
because the alternative is... they could NOT do that. it's good for them to see the fruits of effort and execution. period. make them believe they can do these things. full stop.
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