Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions

crowhead76 · Post #941 » by **crowhead76** » Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:03 pm

Bucks end up with

Holiday - Augustine - Merrll
Smart -Trent Jr. - Forbes
Middleton - Craig - Pat
Giannis - Nwora
Collins - Portis

Wonka · Post #942 » by **Wonka** » Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:27 pm

Any interest in Will Barton? He is seemingly on the outs in Denver due to his unwillingness to go back to a bench role. He’s got a solid talent level but injuries have been a concern for him as of late

coolhandluke121 · Post #943 » by **coolhandluke121** » Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:37 pm

Wonka wrote:Any interest in Will Barton? He is seemingly on the outs in Denver due to his unwillingness to go back to a bench role. He’s got a solid talent level but injuries have been a concern for him as of late

He'd be on the bench here too, unless you move Khris to SG (which I have to admit could be intriguing despite his lack of quickness there). I really like him as a player. Matching salaries would be a dilemma though. Giannis is somewhat close to Brook and Pat, the obvious candidates for matching salary. DJA is crucial as their back-up PG. And even if Giannis is okay with trading Brook, who starts at center? Portis? No thank you. I also firmly believe that Giannis will never want to play center, at least not until he's like 37 and a little slow to play forward.

coolhandluke121 · Post #944 » by **coolhandluke121** » Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:40 pm

There is one obvious way to trade Brook without pissing Giannis off, and that's getting an African player at center. Ibaka is the guy that jumps out at you. Getting a good enough Euro like Vucevic would probably also work. Wasn't he once Giannis's second pick as a reserve all-star, right after Khris? I know it's just an ASG, but there's other corroborating evidence that Giannis prefers Euros to American stars.

Warriors Analyst · Post #945 » by **Warriors Analyst** » Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:40 pm

Sigra wrote:middleton+lopez+djwilson
for
DeRozan+Aldridge

works in trade machine. derozan and aldridge are in last year of contract. then we can sign Oladipo and Tucker (for example) or someone else. would have more options.

Good lord this is terrible for the Bucks. Aldridge is 35 and coming off of shoulder surgery. Really doubt he can play next to Giannis in crunch time. DeRozan can absolutely not fit next to Giannis. Spurs put him at PF in the bubble and because he's a total non-shooter, that's his best position for the foreseeable future, so in what world would you want him next to Giannis? And at the cost of Middleton? My god.

soxperry · Post #946 » by **soxperry** » Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:41 pm

crowhead76 wrote:

Bucks end up with

Holiday - Augustine - Merrll
Smart -Trent Jr. - Forbes
Middleton - Craig - Pat
Giannis - Nwora
Collins - Portis

Why on earth would boston trade their DNA guy? They dont need another shooter. They already have the right formula in boston its just a matter of how good Tatum can be.

BucksFanSD · Post #947 » by **BucksFanSD** » Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:43 pm

coolhandluke121 wrote:There is one obvious way to trade Brook without pissing Giannis off, and that's getting an African player at center.

Can you elaborate on that please? I'm not following.

Sigra · Post #948 » by **Sigra** » Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:45 pm

Warriors Analyst wrote:
Sigra wrote:middleton+lopez+djwilson
for
DeRozan+Aldridge

works in trade machine. derozan and aldridge are in last year of contract. then we can sign Oladipo and Tucker (for example) or someone else. would have more options.

Good lord this is terrible for the Bucks. Aldridge is 35 and coming off of shoulder surgery. Really doubt he can play next to Giannis in crunch time. DeRozan can absolutely not fit next to Giannis. Spurs put him at PF in the bubble and because he's a total non-shooter, that's his best position for the foreseeable future, so in what world would you want him next to Giannis? And at the cost of Middleton? My god.

mmm the point is not to get derozan and aldridge. i want to clear salary and have flexibility. derozan and aldridge just need to help one season. anyway, i do that at trade deadline if we have bad season. rather clean salaries than be locked with midleton and lopez and having team that doesnt work

Ron Swanson · Post #949 » by **Ron Swanson** » Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:47 pm

Was Dewayne Dedmon really that cooked last season? He's a former Bud guy and seems like a no-brainer for the vet minimum. Love Portis' potential as a stretch-big on offense, but defensively he leaves a lot to be desired if you're playing him at center.

crowhead76 · Post #950 » by **crowhead76** » Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:51 pm

soxperry wrote:
crowhead76 wrote:

Bucks end up with

Holiday - Augustine - Merrll
Smart -Trent Jr. - Forbes
Middleton - Craig - Pat
Giannis - Nwora
Collins - Portis

Why on earth would boston trade their DNA guy? They dont need another shooter. They already have the right formula in boston its just a matter of how good Tatum can be.

Yeah, updated it, only reason is to get bigger in the front court.

LuessiT · Post #951 » by **LuessiT** » Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:58 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Was Dewayne Dedmon really that cooked last season? He's a former Bud guy and seems like a no-brainer for the vet minimum. Love Portis' potential as a stretch-big on offense, but defensively he leaves a lot to be desired if you're playing him at center.

Yes. Also terrible from 3 (which was the reason he went from vet min to 15mil). Honestly think he should still land somewhere on the vet min but I'm not interested personally.

coolhandluke121 · Post #952 » by **coolhandluke121** » Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:59 pm

BucksFanSD wrote:
coolhandluke121 wrote:There is one obvious way to trade Brook without pissing Giannis off, and that's getting an African player at center.

Can you elaborate on that please? I'm not following.

Giannis seems to like other international players and has demonstrated this not only in the way he picks his all-star teams but also in recruiting guys like Bogdan who just aren't that good. It seems to be part of his loyalty trait. He cited Embiid's African heritage as a reason for drafting him in the ASG and I believe he did the same thing with Siakam. At the very least, he drafted Siakam way too early even though he was probably the worst player in the ASG last year.

LuessiT · Post #953 » by **LuessiT** » Thu Dec 17, 2020 6:05 pm

coolhandluke121 wrote:
BucksFanSD wrote:
coolhandluke121 wrote:There is one obvious way to trade Brook without pissing Giannis off, and that's getting an African player at center.

Can you elaborate on that please? I'm not following.

Giannis seems to like other international players and has demonstrated this not only in the way he picks his all-star teams but also in recruiting guys like Bogdan who just aren't that good. It seems to be part of his loyalty trait. He cited Embiid's African heritage as a reason for drafting him in the ASG and I believe he did the same thing with Siakam. At the very least, he drafted Siakam way too early even though he was probably the worst player in the ASG last year.

Why isn't he recruiting Cheick Diallo? :banghead:

coolhandluke121 · Post #954 » by **coolhandluke121** » Thu Dec 17, 2020 6:05 pm

crowhead76 wrote:

Bucks end up with

Holiday - Augustine - Merrll
Smart -Trent Jr. - Forbes
Middleton - Craig - Pat
Giannis - Nwora
Collins - Portis

Portland and Brooklyn give up too much, the Celtics come out a little ahead IMO, and the Bucks do really well here. So yeah, I'd love this. DJW would have to play pretty well for a few months to make this possible, and then I'm not sure I'd want to trade him.

coolhandluke121 · Post #955 » by **coolhandluke121** » Thu Dec 17, 2020 6:06 pm

LuessiT wrote:
coolhandluke121 wrote:[

Giannis seems to like other international players and has demonstrated this not only in the way he picks his all-star teams but also in recruiting guys like Bogdan who just aren't that good. It seems to be part of his loyalty trait. He cited Embiid's African heritage as a reason for drafting him in the ASG and I believe he did the same thing with Siakam. At the very least, he drafted Siakam way too early even though he was probably the worst player in the ASG last year.

Why isn't he recruiting Cheick Diallo?

Same reason he's not recruiting Biyombo or Dieng?

Just kidding, I don't really have a take on Diallo.

DingleJerry · Post #956 » by **DingleJerry** » Thu Dec 17, 2020 6:16 pm

Another name that could come up if they eventually need more shooting/offense could be Zach Lavine. I'm not big fan or anything but he is a surprisingly good shooter, and most importantly I'd assume his cost to acquire isn't much and his contract is 20ish instead of upper 20s. Should be able to reasonably replace Brook for cheap.

ABucksFan · Post #957 » by **ABucksFan** » Thu Dec 17, 2020 6:19 pm

DingleJerry wrote:Another name that could come up if they eventually need more shooting/offense could be Zach Lavine. I'm not big fan or anything but he is a surprisingly good shooter, and most importantly I'd assume his cost to acquire isn't much and his contract is 20ish instead of upper 20s. Should be able to reasonably replace Brook for cheap.

Been trying to figure out so many scenarios to get him. He'd be great on this team. I just don't think we have enough assets to get him.

ShootingtheJ · Post #958 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Thu Dec 17, 2020 6:23 pm

Sigra wrote:
Warriors Analyst wrote:
Sigra wrote:middleton+lopez+djwilson
for
DeRozan+Aldridge

works in trade machine. derozan and aldridge are in last year of contract. then we can sign Oladipo and Tucker (for example) or someone else. would have more options.

Good lord this is terrible for the Bucks. Aldridge is 35 and coming off of shoulder surgery. Really doubt he can play next to Giannis in crunch time. DeRozan can absolutely not fit next to Giannis. Spurs put him at PF in the bubble and because he's a total non-shooter, that's his best position for the foreseeable future, so in what world would you want him next to Giannis? And at the cost of Middleton? My god.

mmm the point is not to get derozan and aldridge. i want to clear salary and have flexibility. derozan and aldridge just need to help one season. anyway, i do that at trade deadline if we have bad season. rather clean salaries than be locked with midleton and lopez and having team that doesnt work

So you create a situation where we have only $12 million is cap room, but have to replace The production of Middleton and Lopez? That's a brutal trade, we should be getting 3-4 1sts.

Don't know why you'd think this team won't work, and why you don't believe in advanced stats.

ShootingtheJ · Post #959 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Thu Dec 17, 2020 6:25 pm

ABucksFan wrote:
DingleJerry wrote:Another name that could come up if they eventually need more shooting/offense could be Zach Lavine. I'm not big fan or anything but he is a surprisingly good shooter, and most importantly I'd assume his cost to acquire isn't much and his contract is 20ish instead of upper 20s. Should be able to reasonably replace Brook for cheap.

Been trying to figure out so many scenarios to get him. He'd be great on this team. I just don't think we have enough assets to get him.

The Bulls consider him a major asset and wouldn't even listen to trade offers this offseason. His price tag will be higher than his actual value.

MKE_Beers · Post #960 » by **MKE_Beers** » Thu Dec 17, 2020 6:27 pm

I just don't know how to Bucks make any significant trades this year if Giannis wants to keep Brook and Pat who, as was mentioned earlier, are important enough to be one of the few at that dinner. He and Midds are too close to ship Khris out unless it was for a superstar too. CHI reportedly has rebuffed offers for Lavine this offseason. Most teams can offer more than we can for basically any player, especially a talented young scoring machine in ZL. We might be locked into this team this year barring some type of DJW/DDV move and obviously the buyout market. It feels like we're going to need a piece or 2 from there to really get over the hump.