Knicks - Cavs PG

[Jeff Van Gully]

Hope we can see some of this with Quickley and Obi.

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everything about that combo is perfect "on offense." love quickley... tall, tall order to be the kind of passer or shooter steve nash was. all-time great at both. and an underrated element of stoudemire's game was brilliant picks and slips. you were dead to rights whichever one he executed. i never thought i'd see a better p/r game than stockton and malone... but there it is.

[Oscirus]

Looking at this play again, it was just bad defense and a somewhat quick eye by rj. Toppins man comes off him when rjs is double teamed with no clear path to the basket and the only man open being across the court. No reason to lean off him like that

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[Jeff Van Gully]

There is nothing at all that would require one to guard Elfrid outside of 5 feet. You give him that shot all day every day.

and the baskets he does get are really off of cuts or the defense being absolutely spread thin where the best choice was to kind of give him the lane. he is pretty solid at attacking when the opportunity presents itself. that's to say, in full agreement, no reason to defend this man other than to watch for what he's trying to create... but can't crate because his scoring threat does not match his court vision.

[Strick]

Nothing major but one funny thing I’ve noticed that will likely be a regular every game occurrence with Obi is him doing something weird and freakishly athletic that most guys don’t/can’t do because his motor and leaping ability. We’ve already seen a couple saves where I thought for sure it was going OB but Obi (I couldn’t help myself) made a wild save for it and kept playing like nothing happened. There will be a lot of nonchalant freak plays making us say WTF from him even if they won’t really have a huge impact on a game

[DOT]

There is nothing at all that would require one to guard Elfrid outside of 5 feet. You give him that shot all day every day.

and the baskets he does get are really off of cuts or the defense being absolutely spread thin where the best choice was to kind of give him the lane. he is pretty solid at attacking when the opportunity presents itself. that's to say, in full agreement, no reason to defend this man other than to watch for what he's trying to create... but can't crate because his scoring threat does not match his court vision.

There's also the fact that he really can't finish around the rim either

Like, with most non-shooters, they can at least score around the basket, but Elf is bad at that too

Mudiay with us shot 56% within 3 feet of the rim and we all meme'd on his inability to finish

Elf shoots 59% within 3 feet for his career and 57% last year with us. He's not only one of the worst shooting PGs in the NBA, he's also a Mudiay level finisher and complete sieve on defense except for like 1 or 2 times a game he reads a pass right and gets a steal.

[Oscirus]

There is nothing at all that would require one to guard Elfrid outside of 5 feet. You give him that shot all day every day.

and the baskets he does get are really off of cuts or the defense being absolutely spread thin where the best choice was to kind of give him the lane. he is pretty solid at attacking when the opportunity presents itself. that's to say, in full agreement, no reason to defend this man other than to watch for what he's trying to create... but can't crate because his scoring threat does not match his court vision.

There's also the fact that he really can't finish around the rim either

Like, with most non-shooters, they can at least score around the basket, but Elf is bad at that too

Mudiay with us shot 56% within 3 feet of the rim and we all meme'd on his inability to finish

Elf shoots 59% within 3 feet for his career and 57% last year with us. He's not only one of the worst shooting PGs in the NBA, he's also a Mudiay level finisher and complete sieve on defense except for like 1 or 2 times a game he reads a pass right and gets a steal.

if elf is this bad, how was he getting triple doubles? Nowadays even his rebounding is ****.

[RHODEY]

There is nothing at all that would require one to guard Elfrid outside of 5 feet. You give him that shot all day every day.

and the baskets he does get are really off of cuts or the defense being absolutely spread thin where the best choice was to kind of give him the lane. he is pretty solid at attacking when the opportunity presents itself. that's to say, in full agreement, no reason to defend this man other than to watch for what he's trying to create... but can't crate because his scoring threat does not match his court vision.

His court vision is Randle/Randle

[Chanel Bomber]

Looking at this play again, it was just bad defense and a somewhat quick eye by rj. Toppins man comes off him when rjs is double teamed with no clear path to the basket and the only man open being across the court. No reason to lean off him like that

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That play was amazing.

I love the fact that Obi's moving without the ball. It shows that he's engaged.

What I loved the most was the complete lack of ego from the young line-up.

It's also one of the things that I think will make RJ such a culture changer and a leader for the Knicks, as long as the Knicks give him the keys. He never resented Zion's popularity at Duke, even though he was hyped as the best college prospect at first before losing that spot to Zion. He never appeared to be jealous. On the court, he was not afraid to accept the responsibility of making plays, the burden of being accountable for winning and losing.

There was a stretch where Quickley was making plays in the 4th and RJ barely touched the ball but he was hyped because it was not about ego. By contrast, he was obviously frustrated with Randle and Payton because they make it all about ego.

I'm just glad that our young players seem like high-character kids. They're easy to root for.

[K_ick_God]

It wasn't eye popping or flashing huge talent but I really liked what it showed when Quickley got in the paint, kept his pivot foot and drew the foul instead of taking it in all the way against bigs or doing something panicky. Showed presence. He was looking to pass, to make the right play then decided his only move was to go strong from a few feet away on a little post turn and it worked for 2 FTs. He's got the physical tools to do it too with his length. ... I'm so used to watching young players either fly to the hoop or try to make something happen too fast.

[stuporman]

What made the Nash-Stat P&R so effective was not Amar'e's screens or picks... it's was Nash's dribble and pass. Nash had a rare ability to float in a pocket of space created with a paced dribble and then find the tightest of seams to pass the ball through.

This isn't just a matter of performing one of the oldest plays in basketball like everyone else does, Nash was a master of it and Amar'e was a master of the power finish but his slip screen wasn't any special skill that made it work, it was Nash's skills that made it go.

[Capn'O]

HEY KNICKS BRASS AND PEOPLE WITH ACCESS TO THEM

See how excited your fans get with just a glimmer of hope that the young kids might be leading the future?

[RHODEY]

It wasn't eye popping or flashing huge talent but I really liked what it showed when Quickley got in the paint, kept his pivot foot and drew the foul instead of taking it in all the way against bigs or doing something panicky. Showed presence. He was looking to pass, to make the right play then decided his only move was to go strong from a few feet away on a little post turn and it worked for 2 FTs. He's got the physical tools to do it too with his length. ... I'm so used to watching young players either fly to the hoop or try to make something happen too fast.

Yep I'd call it POISE...he has it in abundance. And you're right, in a vacuum it's not eye popping....But on this team, particularly @ the PG position, it stands out like a Pink Elephant on the 2 train....

[DOT]

HEY KNICKS BRASS AND PEOPLE WITH ACCESS TO THEM

See how excited your fans get with just a glimmer of hope that the young kids might be leading the future?

FO be like:

"Do not, my friends, become addicted to young players

They will take hold of you, and you will resent their absence"

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[Oscirus]

Looking at this play again, it was just bad defense and a somewhat quick eye by rj. Toppins man comes off him when rjs is double teamed with no clear path to the basket and the only man open being across the court. No reason to lean off him like that

Read on Twitter

That play was amazing.

I love the fact that Obi's moving without the ball. It shows that he's engaged.

What I loved the most was the complete lack of ego from the young line-up.

It's also one of the things that I think will make RJ such a culture changer and a leader for the Knicks, as long as the Knicks give him the keys. He never resented Zion's popularity at Duke, even though he was hyped as the best college prospect at first before losing that spot to Zion. He never appeared to be jealous. On the court, he was not afraid to accept the responsibility of making plays, the burden of being accountable for winning and losing.

There was a stretch where Quickley was making plays in the 4th and RJ barely touched the ball but he was hyped because it was not about ego. By contrast, he was obviously frustrated with Randle and Payton because they make it all about ego.

I'm just glad that our young players seem like high-character kids. They're easy to root for.

I love that he had to have the ball in his hands and love that he didnt try to go hero ball as has been the knicks thing since forevs.

The rj and zion thing is weird. He got none of the credit for that duke team and was practically blame for all of zions shortcomings. He wont say it publically, but I get the feeling that he remembers all that and is planning on giving receipts eventually.

It really is weird that we're in this middle ground where we should be handing him the keys to see what he can do, but we cant cuz we keep signing on mercs who dont benefit from anything but getting their numbers. I still remember last year for that final summer league game where perry and mills wanted him to sit out , and he basically said, naah, im good and then Knox and Robinson followed shortly after.

[K_ick_God]

HEY KNICKS BRASS AND PEOPLE WITH ACCESS TO THEM

See how excited your fans get with just a glimmer of hope that the young kids might be leading the future?

FO be like:

"Do not, my friends, become addicted to young players

They will take hold of you, and you will resent their absence"

Watch on YouTube

Devil whispering "A little Randle and Payton for 30 mpg in January will take care of this hope thing."

[cgf]

"What he’s doing right now is preparing to do it...."

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[K_ick_God]

I think Thibs is now going out of his way to be complimentary to Mitch. He must be happier with his effort, wary of hurting his development, etc. Maybe Thibs didn't like the chatter that his curious first-day comments caused about whether he likes Mitch.

I'm projecting maybe but I'd have to guess he likes Mitch a LOT and would be very opposed to trading him. Give that man an extension. Elite rim protection in a big like that -- very much doubt that Thibs wants to throw such a fish back in the water.

[cgf]

HEY KNICKS BRASS AND PEOPLE WITH ACCESS TO THEM

See how excited your fans get with just a glimmer of hope that the young kids might be leading the future?

Found a clip of Dolan discussing his philosophy:

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(starts 35 seconds in)

[god shammgod]

The Frank vs. DSJ debate seems to have resolved Quickley this year.

you need to leave

[Capn'O]

The Frank vs. DSJ debate seems to have resolved Quickley this year.

you need to leave

Oh no. I'll be here all night.