Fantasy Trade Thread: 2020 Offseason

[76ciology]

Not now, his value is higher than ever. This is under the impression that the Bulls are once again spinning their wheels and trending towards another high lottery pick - like last year when he said this

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Him and Coby should score a tonne of points though this year.

Yup. I think Bulls value Lavine highly right now. Endowment effect.

[phillynative]

Lets say Tobias becomes an allstar for the first time and shake milton has a breakout season. Hypothetically what do you think that package could fetch us ?

[76ciology]

Lets say Tobias becomes an allstar for the first time and shake milton has a breakout season. Hypothetically what do you think that package could fetch us ?

Let me tell you why. Think about what is the third star we need to compliment Ben and Biid.

A superstar to first tier star perimeter scorer right?

Those kind of guys are usually the top players of teams. Like beal, booker, lavine or harden.

Why would teams give up their top player for... depth?

This is why personally I find it very difficult to build around Embiid and Ben. Not only both guys doesnt really compliment one another. But I find neither to be the archetype of a franchise player in today’s basketball.

In an ideal world, Embiid should be the second best player on the team. While Ben should be a glue guy like a rich man’s Draymond Green. But we don’t have that superstar perimeter scorer, so Embiid shift to become our team’s top player. Ben has to be our team’s 2nd best player. Then because both Biid and specially Ben lacks scoring, we have to overpay for natural scorers that can shoot and not complicate Biid and Ben, with Tobias.

So sorry but the package you’re likely going to get will just get you a player a little above the tier of Tobi like Middleton or Jaylen Brown.

[Negrodamus]

Lets say Tobias becomes an allstar for the first time and shake milton has a breakout season. Hypothetically what do you think that package could fetch us ?

If Tobias is playing at a legitimate all-star level and Shake makes the leap, we might as well roll with it at that point, imo.

[76ciology]

P.S.

If Tobias is an allstar and Milton breaksout, wouldn’t that be better than the Nets offer?

[youngcrev]

Yeah, if Tobias is an All Star and Milton is a breakout player, you're probably talking about the best (or 2nd best) team in the East, and likely not looking to break that up.

[76ciology]

Yeah, if Tobias is an All Star and Milton is a breakout player, you're probably talking about the best (or 2nd best) team in the East, and likely not looking to break that up.

If Tobi is an allstar, that’s basically Khris Middleton.

[youngcrev]

Yeah, if Tobias is an All Star and Milton is a breakout player, you're probably talking about the best (or 2nd best) team in the East, and likely not looking to break that up.

If Tobi is an allstar, that’s basically Khris Middleton.

Ok?

The point is that the team will have to be playing awesome basketball if he ends up being an all star moreso than the what he is.

[76ciology]

Yeah, if Tobias is an All Star and Milton is a breakout player, you're probably talking about the best (or 2nd best) team in the East, and likely not looking to break that up.

If Tobi is an allstar, that’s basically Khris Middleton.

Ok?

The point is that the team will have to be playing awesome basketball if he ends up being an all star moreso than the what he is.

I think he can make allstar if he shoots 40% from 3. He’s not that far from making it

[Negrodamus]

If Tobi is an allstar, that’s basically Khris Middleton.

Ok?

The point is that the team will have to be playing awesome basketball if he ends up being an all star moreso than the what he is.

I think he can make allstar if he shoots 40% from 3. He’s not that far from making it

The idea that we're going to take a team that has presumably three all stars (Tobi, Ben, and Embiid) and Shake who will "break out" and improve greatly from being a 12ppg, 4apg, and 3rpg and decide to trade Tobi and Shake for ¯\_(ツ)_/¯, is confusing to me. Continuity is arguably as important as talent when you look at NBA history.

If it's Harden for Tobi and Shake, well ok, that makes sense. But he, like Kawhi was for the Raptors, is an exception.

[76ciology]

Ok?

The point is that the team will have to be playing awesome basketball if he ends up being an all star moreso than the what he is.

I think he can make allstar if he shoots 40% from 3. He’s not that far from making it

The idea that we're going to take a team that has presumably three all stars (Tobi, Ben, and Embiid) and Shake who will "break out" and improve greatly from being a 12ppg, 4apg, and 3rpg and decide to trade Tobi and Shake for ¯\_(ツ)_/¯, is confusing to me. Continuity is arguably as important as talent when you look at NBA history.

If it's Harden for Tobi and Shake, well ok, that makes sense. But he, like Kawhi was for the Raptors, is an exception.

If you really think about it, it’s hard to get upgrades with Tobi. Like sure you can, but it’s not like it’s gonna move the needle and make you one of the top teams in the league.

Like you can trade him for CJ McCullom and I dont think it will make us that much better.

While the guy we really need are really hard to get because most of these guys are franchise players, given that the best player to build around are those superstar or first star perimeter scorers.

[Negrodamus]

I think he can make allstar if he shoots 40% from 3. He’s not that far from making it

The idea that we're going to take a team that has presumably three all stars (Tobi, Ben, and Embiid) and Shake who will "break out" and improve greatly from being a 12ppg, 4apg, and 3rpg and decide to trade Tobi and Shake for ¯\_(ツ)_/¯, is confusing to me. Continuity is arguably as important as talent when you look at NBA history.

If it's Harden for Tobi and Shake, well ok, that makes sense. But he, like Kawhi was for the Raptors, is an exception.

If you really think about it, it’s hard to get upgrades with Tobi. Like sure you can, but it’s not like it’s gonna move the needle and make you one of the top teams in the league.

Like you can trade him for CJ McCullom and I dont think it will make us that much better.

While the guy we really need are really hard to get because most of these guys are franchise players, given that the best player to build around are those superstar or first star perimeter scorers.

I suppose, but in this hypothetical scenario, we are one of the best teams in the NBA. Tobias playing at an allstar level and Shake at a MIL Brogdon level is adding more than stuffing McCollum into the lineup and letting him take the reins. Those types of moves need to be made during the draft or before training camp, not right now. That's just my opinion though.

I'm a huge Tobias critic and find his game to be an endless nuisance to me, but he would have to conform his game to the needs of the team and play good defense (much like Middleton does) to make the all star team. That would mean Embiid and Simmons are also thriving in this utopian scenario. In this scenario, I like Tobias and he's playing up to his absurd contract.

[stormi]

Ben/Matisse/Seth/Ferg (no draft capital) for Harden/Mclemore/Tucker

Harden/Maxey
Milton/Mclemore
Green/Korkmaz
Harris/Tucker
Embiid/Howard

b2b championships before Harden completes his snorlax transformation, and embiid's body withers away

[Kobblehead]

I think he can make allstar if he shoots 40% from 3. He’s not that far from making it

The idea that we're going to take a team that has presumably three all stars (Tobi, Ben, and Embiid) and Shake who will "break out" and improve greatly from being a 12ppg, 4apg, and 3rpg and decide to trade Tobi and Shake for ¯\_(ツ)_/¯, is confusing to me. Continuity is arguably as important as talent when you look at NBA history.

If it's Harden for Tobi and Shake, well ok, that makes sense. But he, like Kawhi was for the Raptors, is an exception.

If you really think about it, it’s hard to get upgrades with Tobi. Like sure you can, but it’s not like it’s gonna move the needle and make you one of the top teams in the league.

Like you can trade him for CJ McCullom and I dont think it will make us that much better.

While the guy we really need are really hard to get because most of these guys are franchise players, given that the best player to build around are those superstar or first star perimeter scorers.

I think McCollom would move the needle pretty significantly.

He might not score more than the 18+ ppg for us that Harris gives us, but the way he'd get those points would be far more valuable than the way Tobias does.

McCollum is a better off-ball shooter than Harris. And he's obviously a far better on-ball creator. McCollum borders on being an ace shotcreator.

[Negrodamus]

Since Tobias is basically unmovable at this point (and I don't see that changing), I believe the focus should be what to do with Seth Curry. We can't do two bad starters for the whole year if we have title aspirations. If we're sticking with Ben moving forward, he simply cannot be playing meaningful minutes, however if we get Harden, he's the type of playmaker that benefits stationary three point shooters (a la Doncic last year).

Although cruel, I think finding a way to trade him to the Clippers for Lou would benefit us greatly. In terms of on court fit, Kawhi and George would likely maximize his value as a shooter. Off the court... lol.

[Kobblehead]

Morey foolishly paid a pretty decent price to acquire Curry. I think he's going to want to see this one out to try to validate his irrational transaction.

[76ciology]

The idea that we're going to take a team that has presumably three all stars (Tobi, Ben, and Embiid) and Shake who will "break out" and improve greatly from being a 12ppg, 4apg, and 3rpg and decide to trade Tobi and Shake for ¯\_(ツ)_/¯, is confusing to me. Continuity is arguably as important as talent when you look at NBA history.

If it's Harden for Tobi and Shake, well ok, that makes sense. But he, like Kawhi was for the Raptors, is an exception.

If you really think about it, it’s hard to get upgrades with Tobi. Like sure you can, but it’s not like it’s gonna move the needle and make you one of the top teams in the league.

Like you can trade him for CJ McCullom and I dont think it will make us that much better.

While the guy we really need are really hard to get because most of these guys are franchise players, given that the best player to build around are those superstar or first star perimeter scorers.

I think McCollom would move the needle pretty significantly.

He might not score more than the 18+ ppg for us that Harris gives us, but the way he'd get those points would be far more valuable than the way Tobias does.

McCollum is a better off-ball shooter than Harris. And he's obviously a far better on-ball creator. McCollum borders on being an ace shotcreator.

Well yeah, cj can NOW probably play that JJ role.

But why would the Blazers do it?

[Kobblehead]

Ef the J.J, role, McCcollum can run the whole offensive show and be our Kyrie/Dame/Kemba approximation.

It's hard to find reasons why the Blazers would do it. I guess we could just hope that they decide to try something different after years of the backcourt not getting the job done and want to add more size around Dame. Especially since Simons is already in place and could likely offer at least 60% of what McCollum provides.

[Negrodamus]

Or... we should buy low on Malik Monk right now. Fresh off a suspension and he has probably been passed over at this point in Charlotte.

[LloydFree]

Or... we should buy low on Malik Monk right now. Fresh off a suspension and he has probably been passed over at this point in Charlotte.

Why? What does he do, that Shake Milton doesn't already do...