Lauri:' I can make the comeback'

[GoBlue72391]

Funny how people trash Lauri's 35-36% career for 3, when Coby new Lillard according to many as pg have same precentages for 3. Carter made like 20 threes in his whole career with 10% and people are ok with that and pushing him to continues bricking every single shoot. Lavine as sg and best shooter shooting like 3% bettet for three. We dont have evidence of PWill becoming great 3 point shooter, even if i would like him to become. Thad Young as other pf made Sears tower from bricks he shoots last season with green light like he was prime Reggie Miller. Lauri is never gonna become anything close to Dirk, and that is fine. But at 23 yo he still at least be player in mode of Van Horn,Galinari,Leattner,Bertans. And they were coveted in this years fa, players with that type of skill set and production. At his worst last season, with injuries he was 15 ppg, 6 rpg player. Even if he is Ryan Anderson, that guy netted near max deal and was 3 or 4 scorer on contending team.Leave Markkanen to play this season and then judge him. He is still rfa, if he is not on future plans you always can s/t him, there will always be someone who is interested. At his absolutely worst he is still rotational player in Nba. At his best he is still player who could made all star team. Reality is most likley in midlle 3 option on playoff team with maybe one or two asg at best and that is worth keeping imo.

There's a massive difference in the degree of difficulty between the kind of 3s Lauri takes and the kind of 3s Zach and Coby take. If Zach only took the 3s Lauri takes he would probably shoot 45% from 3.

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[coldfish]

Funny how people trash Lauri's 35-36% career for 3, when Coby new Lillard according to many as pg have same precentages for 3. Carter made like 20 threes in his whole career with 10% and people are ok with that and pushing him to continues bricking every single shoot. Lavine as sg and best shooter shooting like 3% bettet for three. We dont have evidence of PWill becoming great 3 point shooter, even if i would like him to become. Thad Young as other pf made Sears tower from bricks he shoots last season with green light like he was prime Reggie Miller. Lauri is never gonna become anything close to Dirk, and that is fine. But at 23 yo he still at least be player in mode of Van Horn,Galinari,Leattner,Bertans. And they were coveted in this years fa, players with that type of skill set and production. At his worst last season, with injuries he was 15 ppg, 6 rpg player. Even if he is Ryan Anderson, that guy netted near max deal and was 3 or 4 scorer on contending team.Leave Markkanen to play this season and then judge him. He is still rfa, if he is not on future plans you always can s/t him, there will always be someone who is interested. At his absolutely worst he is still rotational player in Nba. At his best he is still player who could made all star team. Reality is most likley in midlle 3 option on playoff team with maybe one or two asg at best and that is worth keeping imo.

I don't think anyone is trashing him for his 35% 3p. Its not like its a bad number. The problem is that is his skill. Its all he brings on most nights so if you are rather mediocre at your primary contribution, you probably aren't very good.

If Lauri brought some combination of good defense, rebounding or playmaking (post or drive and kick) on top of the 35% 3p, then it would be a different discussion.

Ryan Anderson peaked with a 21.2 PER in his 4th year. I don't think anyone would be too upset if Lauri got to that or better.

In general, its really too bad about Lauri. Some very small tweaks to his game and he would fit perfectly with the current group and would be a very valuable contributor on a reasonable contract. He just has to learn to help more on defense and pass more on offense. Be less selfish and more of a team player.

[thedarkstark]

Funny how people trash Lauri's 35-36% career for 3, when Coby new Lillard according to many as pg have same precentages for 3. Carter made like 20 threes in his whole career with 10% and people are ok with that and pushing him to continues bricking every single shoot. Lavine as sg and best shooter shooting like 3% bettet for three. We dont have evidence of PWill becoming great 3 point shooter, even if i would like him to become. Thad Young as other pf made Sears tower from bricks he shoots last season with green light like he was prime Reggie Miller. Lauri is never gonna become anything close to Dirk, and that is fine. But at 23 yo he still at least be player in mode of Van Horn,Galinari,Leattner,Bertans. And they were coveted in this years fa, players with that type of skill set and production. At his worst last season, with injuries he was 15 ppg, 6 rpg player. Even if he is Ryan Anderson, that guy netted near max deal and was 3 or 4 scorer on contending team.Leave Markkanen to play this season and then judge him. He is still rfa, if he is not on future plans you always can s/t him, there will always be someone who is interested. At his absolutely worst he is still rotational player in Nba. At his best he is still player who could made all star team. Reality is most likley in midlle 3 option on playoff team with maybe one or two asg at best and that is worth keeping imo.

I don't think anyone is trashing him for his 35% 3p. Its not like its a bad number. The problem is that is his skill. Its all he brings on most nights so if you are rather mediocre at your primary contribution, you probably aren't very good.

If Lauri brought some combination of good defense, rebounding or playmaking (post or drive and kick) on top of the 35% 3p, then it would be a different discussion.

Ryan Anderson peaked with a 21.2 PER in his 4th year. I don't think anyone would be too upset if Lauri got to that or better.

In general, its really too bad about Lauri. Some very small tweaks to his game and he would fit perfectly with the current group and would be a very valuable contributor on a reasonable contract. He just has to learn to help more on defense and pass more on offense. Be less selfish and more of a team player.

When you're getting the type of wide-open spot up looks that Lauri gets on 90% of his 3's it is bad, it's below league average in fact. As you pointed out though that wouldn't be a huge issue IF he brought something else to the table, but he doesn't.

Also I'd much rather have a guy who shoots 33% year round than a guy who shots 25% for 2-3 months and then lights it up for a month, then goes back to being ice cold.

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It's just a feeling but I think an extension gets done, I just hope it's not awful.

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It's just a feeling but I think an extension gets done, I just hope it's not awful.

60 mil over 4 years. Calling it now.

[Phu317]

I am not sure if I have much faith in him turning into the player that we are hoping. This is his 4th year. Lets see what he has next year before offering anything.

[sco]

It's just a feeling but I think an extension gets done, I just hope it's not awful.

60 mil over 4 years. Calling it now.

That seems like a reasonable place to settle, but I'd rather wait. I'm not sure on how extensions work, but I'd feel better doing a 4/$80M with a team option after year 2.

[Kukoc-Lauri]

Yeah Lauri dont bring much other than shooting, but honesty what other than scoring Lavine and White bringing on table. They are not great playmakers for others, not great passers, not great defenders, rebounders. In their best days they are average in every other arrea of bball. They dont bring winns with their scoring. Our vets dont bring stability, scoring and leadership. They complain about roles, they are injured or washed. I agree with lot of critiscism towards Lauri, but no one of this roster should be off the table, because excatly nobody acomplished nothing in terms of Nba, and nobody seems to be franchise cornerstone worth building arround.

[dougthonus]

It's just a feeling but I think an extension gets done, I just hope it's not awful.

60 mil over 4 years. Calling it now.

That seems like a reasonable place to settle, but I'd rather wait. I'm not sure on how extensions work, but I'd feel better doing a 4/$80M with a team option after year 2.

I believe option years have to be in the final year of the contract, but maybe not.

[Dieselbound&Down]

Lauri's an interesting case. He was raw physically when he came in. Then he got too big it seems. In between he had some random, maybe fluky type injuries that took away a lot of consistent time on the court. Then COVID took away 1/2 season last year.

He's not going to be a star. He's very unlikely to be an all star at any point unless something clicks.

However, I could easily see him bouncing around a bit but learning consistency and becoming a really nice role player for a contender at some point down the road. In typing this, I guess I still buy in that he can still improve a fair amount and end up with a nice career. He could be a modern Toni Kukoc with the right vets around him and some more confidence in his ability to score.

[Loclown]

He has like double the stat average of Bertans and that guy just got massively overpaid. I'm afraid Lauri either gets that kind of money or leaves. Either way I'm sad.

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He has like double the stat average of Bertans and that guy just got massively overpaid. I'm afraid Lauri either gets that kind of money or leaves. Either way I'm sad.

If I'm Lauri's agent, I'm making your argument. I think that the right thing for both sides to do is to help Lauri be as successful as possible this year and, if he performs, pay the man. If he pulls a Jimmy Butler this season, I'm fine. I'd much rather fully pay a great player than pay less and lockup a mediocre player on the hopes he improves.

[Kukoc-Lauri]

Modern day Toni Kukoc??? You know Toni was Mvp of world championship, 5 time best European player officially and Fiba Hall of fame member, 3 time champion and 6 man of the year. Toni stats suffer from playing in 90 era and with Jordan. Modern day Toni is combo between Luka and Porzingis. People to much randomly throwing names like new Dirk,Kawhi etc. If Lauri gonna have Galinari type career that would be great. By the way Toni had as 33 years old injury plagued player 23/7/6 stat line as member of Atlanta Hawks in 2001-02.

[greenl]

Shots didn't fall. What will change when 9 months rust will fall from shoulders? Shots will fall.

I hope you're correct. But, we're now heading into year 4 of his career and the shots haven't been falling- aside from one outlier month. When do we acknowledge Lauri is a mediocre shooter?

Lauri shot .362 from 3 as a rookie, .361 in 2018-19, and. 344 last year in what was a down year, for a career percentage of .356 on 6.2 attempts per game. That percentage isn't as high as we would like, nor is it as high as we were expecting when he was drafted, but it is remarkably consistent, especially for a young, streaky player like Lauri.

Ironically, that "one hot month" you're referring to he actually shot worse than his career percentage from 3 at .348 and still managed to put up an efficient 26 and 12. So that's actually working against the point you're trying to make.

His best game as a pro, when he dropped 35 and 17 against the Hornets in last season's opener, he shot only 1 of 7 from 3. He's proven that he can impact the game at a high level even when he's only shooting at an average to below average rate from 3.

We should be optimistic over the fact that he looks more aggressive, confident, quicker, and more engaged defensively and on the boards, because one he starts making his 3s he'll be the player we've been hoping he can be. There's no reason to panic over Lauri missing his 3s during the preseason, and there is nothing to suggest he'll keep shooting this poorly for any notable length of time.

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I'm arguing Lauri is a mediocre shooter- which you capably supported by listing his 3pt shooting percentages over three years- each of which was about league average. Which proves the point I am making- he is a thoroughly mediocre 3pt shooter. Sometimes his performance will be above average- sometimes below. But his mean seems to be about league average when it comes to 3 pt shooting. I'm not putting any stock in his pre-season performance- simply stating there is enough evidence at hand to stop giving him the benefit of the doubt that his shots will "start falling" as you suggested.

[ThisGuyFawkes]

Didn't Lauri say that he was changing his shot to make it quicker? I think it was on a Finnish podcast or something. Has anyone noticed a change in his shot lately? That could help explain his slow start. I feel like he used to get more arc on his 3's and it seems more straight-line this season.

[thedarkstark]

Didn't Lauri say that he was changing his shot to make it quicker? I think it was on a Finnish podcast or something. Has anyone noticed a change in his shot lately? That could help explain his slow start. I feel like he used to get more arc on his 3's and it seems more straight-line this season.

The only thing I've noticed about his shot thus far this season is his balance has been bad, he's been leaning back/fading slightly even when there's no defenders anywhere close.

[PaKii94]

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What does this stat even mean lol

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What does this stat even mean lol

Not sure about math, but clearly speaking Finnish must represent about 50% of it.

[Jiipee84]

Yeah Lauri dont bring much other than shooting, but honesty what other than scoring Lavine and White bringing on table. They are not great playmakers for others, not great passers, not great defenders, rebounders. In their best days they are average in every other arrea of bball. They dont bring winns with their scoring. Our vets dont bring stability, scoring and leadership. They complain about roles, they are injured or washed. I agree with lot of critiscism towards Lauri, but no one of this roster should be off the table, because excatly nobody acomplished nothing in terms of Nba, and nobody seems to be franchise cornerstone worth building arround.

Finally something what makes sense and i can agree with 250%.
This roster and it's so called core ( Zach, Coby, Lauri, Sato, WCJ etc ) is made by GarPax
the worst management duo ever in NBA's entire history.

Karnisovas and Eversley are brought for Chicago to clean-up and fix this goddamn mess
because those two stooges ( Gar and Pax ) who were in charge earlier didn't have any clue of that what a hell they were doing.

If Bulls won't make playoffs this coming season ( 2020-2021 )
then it's better to blowup small pieces that whole goddamn roster next off season and start again and go full rebuild.

And what comes to Lauri's extension he has talked how he wants to stay in Chicago.
But if really wants that then better make him earn it and if he can't show any serious progress then don't pay nothing.

Some peoples here in Finland are pissed on that Lauri didn't got his name to Finland's athlete of the year candidate list.
But how in the hell he can get that honor if he plays as miserably like he did last season.
If Lauri really wants to be athlete of the year in Finland someday then better to start achieve something in NBA.