Knicks - Cavs PG II

[Zenzibar]

I've really liked a lot of what we've seen from Obi. Don't wanna expect him to be as good as Blake, but he really seems to have a lot of old-man-Blake elements to his game while being able to get up like young-Blake. Once things start slowing down for him he's going to look really nice; nevermind when he tightens up his handle & gets comfortable shooting NBA 3s.

Obi seems to have a BIG adjustment to make, in terms of being impactful.

He's clearly used to be the MAN in an offense, where the offense was centered around him...well, being a center. Or PF. Who set all the picks with the PG and got a lot of touches that way.

It's not to say he can't play off the ball SOME, or that he isn't a willing or smart passer - he is.

But his role and path to success, in the bigger, stronger NBA, and also as an initial 3rd/4th option, and where there's a few other guys who should be setting the pick, is going to take a bit.

I think he's going to be far less than "immediately helpful" and in fact is a bit of a project.

He'll be helpful with some excitement and dunks off the bench. Not unlike everyone expected rookie KP to come off the bench and just be a shotblocker, but he surprised. Instead, for Obi, more like it's not surprising, at least to me, that he'll come off the bench and he's a bit raw and will need half the year, at least, to get acclimated.

Leon's son might have oversold his client to his dad, a bit.

I mean, I'll say it

He's probably used to being the biggest, fastest, most athletic guy in the gym

Now that he's in the NBA, he's facing guys who can match him physically every night, and he'll need to get his skills to the point where he can be effective, when he probably hasn't had to fully use them in quite a while.

As long as obi is contributing to winning basketball he'll be fine. His defense has been solid, a HUGE wake up call to some scouts.
Toppin's passing is really really good for a big as he showed while breaking the Zone. He's. a winner, just like the others.

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I've really liked a lot of what we've seen from Obi. Don't wanna expect him to be as good as Blake, but he really seems to have a lot of old-man-Blake elements to his game while being able to get up like young-Blake. Once things start slowing down for him he's going to look really nice; nevermind when he tightens up his handle & gets comfortable shooting NBA 3s.

Obi seems to have a BIG adjustment to make, in terms of being impactful.

He's clearly used to be the MAN in an offense, where the offense was centered around him...well, being a center. Or PF. Who set all the picks with the PG and got a lot of touches that way.

It's not to say he can't play off the ball SOME, or that he isn't a willing or smart passer - he is.

But his role and path to success, in the bigger, stronger NBA, and also as an initial 3rd/4th option, and where there's a few other guys who should be setting the pick, is going to take a bit.

I think he's going to be far less than "immediately helpful" and in fact is a bit of a project.

He'll be helpful with some excitement and dunks off the bench. Not unlike everyone expected rookie KP to come off the bench and just be a shotblocker, but he surprised. Instead, for Obi, more like it's not surprising, at least to me, that he'll come off the bench and he's a bit raw and will need half the year, at least, to get acclimated.

Leon's son might have oversold his client to his dad, a bit.

I think if he can work on hitting the corner three, and works on cutting baseline and going for offensive rebounds he will be a high level role player. He moves just like Amare, but he doesn’t have any of the isolation package that Amare had. His defense isn’t as bad as advertised but he gets seemingly no blocks from what I’ve seen. I don’t see superstar in his future but he will have 20 and 10 games.

[Clyde_Style]

Obi seems to have a BIG adjustment to make, in terms of being impactful.

He's clearly used to be the MAN in an offense, where the offense was centered around him...well, being a center. Or PF. Who set all the picks with the PG and got a lot of touches that way.

It's not to say he can't play off the ball SOME, or that he isn't a willing or smart passer - he is.

But his role and path to success, in the bigger, stronger NBA, and also as an initial 3rd/4th option, and where there's a few other guys who should be setting the pick, is going to take a bit.

I think he's going to be far less than "immediately helpful" and in fact is a bit of a project.

He'll be helpful with some excitement and dunks off the bench. Not unlike everyone expected rookie KP to come off the bench and just be a shotblocker, but he surprised. Instead, for Obi, more like it's not surprising, at least to me, that he'll come off the bench and he's a bit raw and will need half the year, at least, to get acclimated.

Leon's son might have oversold his client to his dad, a bit.

You're overdoing it man. Give it some time

He definitely seems to need some time.

Hopefully it works out. He seems to want to play the right way and work hard.
I usually hate the hot takes, but again, a little worried.

He plays with intelligence. But he's definitely pressing. All of this talk about his size and muscles, it's just not relevant yet until you see how he functions when he calms down. He's a SF. People are reacting because they thought he was a bully PF and he isn't. So put on a different set of glasses. And just wait a bit.

He's going to be be a good player. And even if he does end up a role player we secured two solid rotation pieces in this draft. And if IQ is the prize then that's just how the cookie crumbles. Obi clearly feels the pressure of being # 8. IQ probably was poised regardless of draft position, but he has no pressure to prove anything due to being a lottery selection.

Again, this place pretty much is a cess pool of hot takes. Half of this board was calling RJ a bust last year and they were FOS. I was one of the people saying hold your horses just like now. So hold your horses

[dakomish23]

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I always had faith!!!!!!!

Yep he had a very promising preseason. Points rebounds FG% FT% all very solid. The 3PT shooting hopefully isn’t as abysmal

[Clyde Frazier]

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Knew it! Everyone hates foul baiting but to have that skill right out of the gate is impressive. Especially for the refs to actually call them for a rookie.

[dakomish23]

I've really liked a lot of what we've seen from Obi. Don't wanna expect him to be as good as Blake, but he really seems to have a lot of old-man-Blake elements to his game while being able to get up like young-Blake. Once things start slowing down for him he's going to look really nice; nevermind when he tightens up his handle & gets comfortable shooting NBA 3s.

Obi seems to have a BIG adjustment to make, in terms of being impactful.

He's clearly used to be the MAN in an offense, where the offense was centered around him...well, being a center. Or PF. Who set all the picks with the PG and got a lot of touches that way.

It's not to say he can't play off the ball SOME, or that he isn't a willing or smart passer - he is.

But his role and path to success, in the bigger, stronger NBA, and also as an initial 3rd/4th option, and where there's a few other guys who should be setting the pick, is going to take a bit.

I think he's going to be far less than "immediately helpful" and in fact is a bit of a project.

He'll be helpful with some excitement and dunks off the bench. Not unlike everyone expected rookie KP to come off the bench and just be a shotblocker, but he surprised. Instead, for Obi, more like it's not surprising, at least to me, that he'll come off the bench and he's a bit raw and will need half the year, at least, to get acclimated.

Leon's son might have oversold his client to his dad, a bit.

Take Randle out, put Obi in with tonight’s starters and you’d have seen a totally different game from him.

[oldshoolballer]

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[thebuzzardman]

You're overdoing it man. Give it some time

He definitely seems to need some time.

Hopefully it works out. He seems to want to play the right way and work hard.
I usually hate the hot takes, but again, a little worried.

He plays with intelligence. But he's definitely pressing. All of this talk about his size and muscles, it's just not relevant yet until you see how he functions when he calms down. He's a SF. People are reacting because they thought he was a bully PF and he isn't. So put on a different set of glasses. And just wait a bit.

He's going to be be a good player. And even if he does end up a role player we secured two solid rotation pieces in this draft. And if IQ is the prize then that's just how the cookie crumbles. Obi clearly feels the pressure of being # 8. IQ probably was poised regardless of draft position, but he has no pressure to prove anything due to being a lottery selection.

Again, this place pretty much is a cess pool of hot takes. Half of this board was calling RJ a bust last year and they were FOS. I was one of the people saying hold your horses just like now. So hold your horses

I had hopes he'd be a major contributor from the jump. He's obviously better suited for 4th/5th option stuff right now. Hopefully he'll get better. He probably will. It's going to take at least a year. People focus on that he's 22 or soon to be 23, but he's still a just graduated college sophomore.

[robillionaire]

Obi seems to have a BIG adjustment to make, in terms of being impactful.

He's clearly used to be the MAN in an offense, where the offense was centered around him...well, being a center. Or PF. Who set all the picks with the PG and got a lot of touches that way.

It's not to say he can't play off the ball SOME, or that he isn't a willing or smart passer - he is.

But his role and path to success, in the bigger, stronger NBA, and also as an initial 3rd/4th option, and where there's a few other guys who should be setting the pick, is going to take a bit.

I think he's going to be far less than "immediately helpful" and in fact is a bit of a project.

He'll be helpful with some excitement and dunks off the bench. Not unlike everyone expected rookie KP to come off the bench and just be a shotblocker, but he surprised. Instead, for Obi, more like it's not surprising, at least to me, that he'll come off the bench and he's a bit raw and will need half the year, at least, to get acclimated.

Leon's son might have oversold his client to his dad, a bit.

You're overdoing it man. Give it some time

He definitely seems to need some time.

Hopefully it works out. He seems to want to play the right way and work hard.
I usually hate the hot takes, but again, a little worried.

well that's exactly the concern. He doesn't have a lot of time. people were comparing him to amare. look at age 22 amare's game log
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/stoudam01/gamelog/2005
dude had a 50 point game at a younger age than Obi and many 40 point games, Obi doesn't even look like a starter right now. So yeah, concerning.

he's got time but that hourglass is pouring out fast, I was expecting someone close to NBA ready, nobody can objectively say based on preseason that he won a starting job over randle

[Clyde_Style]

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Knew it! Everyone hates foul baiting but to have that skill right out of the gate is impressive. Especially for the refs to actually call them for a rookie.

IQ has solid acting skills. He's already flopping like a seasoned vet. The kid is a smart player. We're blessed

[F N 11]

Obi looks fine. he passes the ball well. What’s the problem?

He’s not chucking enough

[thebuzzardman]

I've really liked a lot of what we've seen from Obi. Don't wanna expect him to be as good as Blake, but he really seems to have a lot of old-man-Blake elements to his game while being able to get up like young-Blake. Once things start slowing down for him he's going to look really nice; nevermind when he tightens up his handle & gets comfortable shooting NBA 3s.

Obi seems to have a BIG adjustment to make, in terms of being impactful.

He's clearly used to be the MAN in an offense, where the offense was centered around him...well, being a center. Or PF. Who set all the picks with the PG and got a lot of touches that way.

It's not to say he can't play off the ball SOME, or that he isn't a willing or smart passer - he is.

But his role and path to success, in the bigger, stronger NBA, and also as an initial 3rd/4th option, and where there's a few other guys who should be setting the pick, is going to take a bit.

I think he's going to be far less than "immediately helpful" and in fact is a bit of a project.

He'll be helpful with some excitement and dunks off the bench. Not unlike everyone expected rookie KP to come off the bench and just be a shotblocker, but he surprised. Instead, for Obi, more like it's not surprising, at least to me, that he'll come off the bench and he's a bit raw and will need half the year, at least, to get acclimated.

Leon's son might have oversold his client to his dad, a bit.

Take Randle out, put Obi in with tonight’s starters and you’d have seen a totally different game from him.

I've watched each game. He can look better than tonight, but I'm not basing this take on one game or this one and the last one.

It's kind of who is he is right now. He's kind of raw and role player-ish. Which is fine because he seems to want to play team ball/stay in his lane. I just don't think he'll start to have impact for a year. Big impact. He's more Knox than RJ, to put it another way. Like, splits the difference. People harp on the age and "Oh, he'll be 25 by the time he's good" but I think he'll be 24 by the time he's good and age is just a number - he was drafted as a sophomore. His bball journey is a little different and he'll still need some time like even 19\20 year olds do.

[Spree2Houston]

We’ll just pretend we took Quickley at 8 and Obi at 25.

[Clyde_Style]

He definitely seems to need some time.

Hopefully it works out. He seems to want to play the right way and work hard.
I usually hate the hot takes, but again, a little worried.

He plays with intelligence. But he's definitely pressing. All of this talk about his size and muscles, it's just not relevant yet until you see how he functions when he calms down. He's a SF. People are reacting because they thought he was a bully PF and he isn't. So put on a different set of glasses. And just wait a bit.

He's going to be be a good player. And even if he does end up a role player we secured two solid rotation pieces in this draft. And if IQ is the prize then that's just how the cookie crumbles. Obi clearly feels the pressure of being # 8. IQ probably was poised regardless of draft position, but he has no pressure to prove anything due to being a lottery selection.

Again, this place pretty much is a cess pool of hot takes. Half of this board was calling RJ a bust last year and they were FOS. I was one of the people saying hold your horses just like now. So hold your horses

I had hopes he'd be a major contributor from the jump. He's obviously better suited for 4th/5th option stuff right now. Hopefully he'll get better. He probably will. It's going to take at least a year. People focus on that he's 22 or soon to be 23, but he's still a just graduated college sophomore.

Y'all are getting wack IMO

We just solved the Payton conundrum in the last two games. And as a result, Knox got unlocked by playing with IQ.

You think perhaps oh just maybe there's another issue of playing Obi and Randle and working that out too?

Not everything falls into place in 4 pre-season games after not playing for 9 months, with almost no training camp and a new coaching staff

And you're judging everything as if it needs to click right away. We just witnessed a small miracle considering the past 20 years with what IQ just did and you want MOAR!!!! NOW!!! EVERYBODY MUST PRODUCE IMMEDIATELY OR ELSE THEY TURN INTO DORIAN GRAY! Seriously, it's such horsechit

I just can't right now. You and the rest of this board tripping over themselves to declare Obi a disappointment are the big disappointments, not Obi

[F N 11]

RJ knew it.

You have to ride this. Thibs do the right thing, idc if it’s against Brogdan..

[thebuzzardman]

You're overdoing it man. Give it some time

He definitely seems to need some time.

Hopefully it works out. He seems to want to play the right way and work hard.
I usually hate the hot takes, but again, a little worried.

well that's exactly the concern. He doesn't have a lot of time. people were comparing him to amare. look at age 22 amare's game log
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/stoudam01/gamelog/2005
dude had a 50 point game at a younger age than Obi and many 40 point games, Obi doesn't even look like a starter right now. So yeah, concerning.

he's got time but that hourglass is pouring out fast, I was expecting someone close to NBA ready, nobody can objectively say based on preseason that he won a starting job over randle

I'm just commenting on how I see him playing, regardless of age. I don't care what Amare was doing at 22, or whoever at 26.
I fell into "Obi must be really ready, he's 22!".
Well, he just played 2 years of high level college ball and that that.
And yeah, it wasn't the highest of the high.
But it's still just two years of that kind of competition. Sure, he's got some extra years to work on his game that a 20 year old doesn't, but I don't think there is a substitute to game competition.

So, I think he'll need this year and maybe part of another and he'll be 24 and then be good and that's the way it goes.

[oldshoolballer]

Obi is playing a little scared. Passing up shots and being to tentative. I think a lot of his success will be able to knock down the open shot. He also needs a counter move in the post. Playing with Quickley will help unlock him.

[Clyde_Style]

We’ll just pretend we took Quickley at 8 and Obi at 25.

That and a blankie and a pacifier and this board will be all set

[cgf]

RJ was also an "NBA ready" prospect and look how much better he looks in year two / how much better he looked in the 2nd half of his rookie season. Obi is going to be a good one.