The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV

[elchengue20]

The Lebron James comparison is nonsense. Ben hasnt ever be a player of that calibeer, and never will.

Hes closer to a Lamar Odom/Shawn Marion/Draymond Green tier than to a Superstar #1 like Lebron or KD or even prime Grant Hill or something like that.

Sure, he has great potential, but doesnt look like he will ever hit his ceiling. At the end of the day hes a 3rd option for a championship team or a 2 for a playoff team.

Actually i think Ben's game is a Lamar Odom/Shawn Marion hybrid.

Ben was already a 2 time all star at age 23

Lamar Odom has never been an all star in his 14 year career

Shawn Marion was only an all star 3 times in his 16 year career, and none before the age of 25

Are people intentionally deflating Ben’s value?

Hes better than them, but hes CLOSER to that calibeer of player than a #1 Superstar top 10. Just my opinion.

Actually Lamar Odom had crazy potential like Ben, was even worse at reaching it. Still in his prime he was an elite 3rd option.

[Iverson Armband]

I remember people comparing him to Lamar Odom before the draft. He’s like a better defensive version of Lamar if Lamar couldn’t shoot, which is a good player but certainly not what he’s hyped to be. The comparison is pretty apt.

[Sportfan73]

The Lebron James comparison is nonsense. Ben hasnt ever be a player of that calibeer, and never will.

Hes closer to a Lamar Odom/Shawn Marion/Draymond Green tier than to a Superstar #1 like Lebron or KD or even prime Grant Hill or something like that.

Sure, he has great potential, but doesnt look like he will ever hit his ceiling. At the end of the day hes a 3rd option for a championship team or a 2 for a playoff team.

Actually i think Ben's game is a Lamar Odom/Shawn Marion hybrid.

Ben was already a 2 time all star at age 23

Lamar Odom has never been an all star in his 14 year career

Shawn Marion was only an all star 3 times in his 16 year career, and none before the age of 25

Are people intentionally deflating Ben’s value?

Hes better than them, but hes CLOSER to that calibeer of player than a #1 Superstar top 10. Just my opinion.

Actually Lamar Odom had crazy potential like Ben, was even worse at reaching it. Still in his prime he was an elite 3rd option.

Lol so he’s younger than they were the first time they accomplished those things and already close to more decorated than their entire career, but he’s closer to them. He’s literally a 33% jump shot and 10 fta a game from a top 5 player

[Iverson Armband]

Ben was already a 2 time all star at age 23

Lamar Odom has never been an all star in his 14 year career

Shawn Marion was only an all star 3 times in his 16 year career, and none before the age of 25

Are people intentionally deflating Ben’s value?

Hes better than them, but hes CLOSER to that calibeer of player than a #1 Superstar top 10. Just my opinion.

Actually Lamar Odom had crazy potential like Ben, was even worse at reaching it. Still in his prime he was an elite 3rd option.

Lol so he’s younger than they were the first time they accomplished those things and already close to more decorated than their entire career, but he’s closer to them. He’s literally a 33% jump shot and 10 fta a game from a top 5 player

You say that like it’s easy to do Especially when you’re starting from a ZER0 base for both of those things. Not to mention, he can’t even hit FT’s at a decent rate.

Also, using all star selections (especially in different eras and conferences) is a terrible way to compare players.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I'm no pro by any means, but Ben has always reminded me of both Shawn Marion and Lamar Odom. Without getting into the conversation here, I think they are fair comparisons.

[youngcrev]

With Ben, I think his upside is simply determined with his ability to shoot.

Unless you are Giannis, you can’t just aggressively bully your way to be a scorer.

Sure, being an aggressive player would improve his points per game and freethrow rate. IN THE REGULAR SEASON.

But come playoffs, he’ll just be neutralized by the right personnel and the right defensive schemes by elite coaches.

That said.. why would I hope Ben would improve as a shooter? To what basis?

Recently I looked at MCW, we basically just gave up on him when he was 23yo with being a better shooter than Ben at that point. In terms of shooting, what sets Ben’s upside as a shooter higher than MCW’s? NONE.

Now, convince me otherwise. Believe me.. im open because im optimistic to every player that wore a sixers jersey. Whether its dalembert, Evan Turner or Okafor. I like to root for everyone on the team.

REALISTICALLY, he is a richman’s Draymond Green or a richman’s Lamar Odom or a PG version of Bam Adebayo.

Let me know when Miami puts Bam on the table for Harden.

[elchengue20]

Miami has Jimmy, they dont need Harden like we do. Doesnt make sense to trade Bam and lose their defensive anchor when they already have their go to perimeter player.

Its a complety different situation.

[76ciology]

Read on Twitter

Great analogy

[sodmoraes]

Watch on YouTube

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I was watching Lonzo highhlights , amazed how his shot changed so much in 2 years and thought about Simmons shot improvement. Lonzo shot was so broken( but he shot it atleast) and it´s completely revamped now, he´s shooting mid range off the dribble!

In comparison, Simmons( who is in the league one year more than Lonzo) had almost zero improvement in his shot( his ft % went from 0,56% to 0,62%) , you can even say it regressed, since he shot a lot of mid range jumpers in his rookie season.

I think it : a) speaks volumes about Ben´s will to improve his shot or b) it shows he will never be a decent shooter, because he doesn´t have any natural ability to be a decent( and willing shooter). In any case, we should really think about it if Ben is the kind of player you wanna build you franchise around.

[Kobblehead]

Through two games, it does not appear that Simmons has made any leap in the scoring department. Still not creating off the dribble. Still just floating offensively unwilling to attack.

[76ciology]

Through two games, it does not appear that Simmons has made any leap in the scoring department. Still not creating off the dribble. Still just floating offensively unwilling to attack.

I dont want to criticize him anymore. I think his value is declining day by day that it may reach a point where Rox may not be interested to trade for him anymore.

Morey better not think he has a lot of margin. He already miscalculated on Seth.

[Sixerscan]

Through two games, it does not appear that Simmons has made any leap in the scoring department. Still not creating off the dribble. Still just floating offensively unwilling to attack.

I dont want to criticize him anymore. I think his value is declining day by day that it may reach a point where Rox may not be interested to trade for him anymore.

Morey better not think he has a lot of margin. He already miscalculated on Seth.

Do you think the fact that you have been posting criticism of him 200 times a day may have something to do with you thinking this? If anything Ben’s trade value has increased recently with showing people he’s definitely over his injury.

[76ciology]

Through two games, it does not appear that Simmons has made any leap in the scoring department. Still not creating off the dribble. Still just floating offensively unwilling to attack.

I dont want to criticize him anymore. I think his value is declining day by day that it may reach a point where Rox may not be interested to trade for him anymore.

Morey better not think he has a lot of margin. He already miscalculated on Seth.

Do you think the fact that you have been posting criticism of him 200 times a day may have something to do with you thinking this? If anything Ben’s trade value has increased recently with showing people he’s definitely over his injury.

No. I just think at this point people know how limited he is that i dont have to tell them anymore. Most right now sounds ok to trade him for Harden. I think after almost 5 years in the league with almost no obvious improvement on offense, its a safe bet to project that he wont be anything special that would come back and bite us if we trade him for harden.

[76ciology]

Btw are u guys following him on twitter? Is his picture always just a black photo? Or did he just change it recently?

[Sixerscan]

I dont want to criticize him anymore. I think his value is declining day by day that it may reach a point where Rox may not be interested to trade for him anymore.

Morey better not think he has a lot of margin. He already miscalculated on Seth.

Do you think the fact that you have been posting criticism of him 200 times a day may have something to do with you thinking this? If anything Ben’s trade value has increased recently with showing people he’s definitely over his injury.

No. I just think at this point people know how limited he is that i dont have to tell them anymore. Most right now sounds ok to trade him for Harden. I think after almost 5 years in the league with almost no obvious improvement on offense, its a safe bet to project that he wont be anything special that would come back and bite us if we trade him for harden.

So what people need to respond to all 500 of your posts otherwise you have convinced them? You just say the same thing over and over again and eventually people get sick of responding. He played perfectly fine in those preseason games you’re clearly projecting with all of this.

[Kobblehead]

I don't think his value is declining right now. It's still unexplainably high. I do think it's a bubble waiting to burst, though. Especially with his perpetual plateaued offensive development.

[Iverson Armband]

Do you think the fact that you have been posting criticism of him 200 times a day may have something to do with you thinking this? If anything Ben’s trade value has increased recently with showing people he’s definitely over his injury.

No. I just think at this point people know how limited he is that i dont have to tell them anymore. Most right now sounds ok to trade him for Harden. I think after almost 5 years in the league with almost no obvious improvement on offense, its a safe bet to project that he wont be anything special that would come back and bite us if we trade him for harden.

So what people need to respond to all 500 of your posts otherwise you have convinced them? You just say the same thing over and over again and eventually people get sick of responding. He played perfectly fine in those preseason games you’re clearly projecting with all of this.

If you think he played perfectly fine, then there’s nothing for anyone to debate anymore. You’re cool with having a #1 overall pick and 180M man being a defensive player who’s at best a third option on offense. Cool.

[76ciology]

Do you think the fact that you have been posting criticism of him 200 times a day may have something to do with you thinking this? If anything Ben’s trade value has increased recently with showing people he’s definitely over his injury.

No. I just think at this point people know how limited he is that i dont have to tell them anymore. Most right now sounds ok to trade him for Harden. I think after almost 5 years in the league with almost no obvious improvement on offense, its a safe bet to project that he wont be anything special that would come back and bite us if we trade him for harden.

So what people need to respond to all 500 of your posts otherwise you have convinced them? You just say the same thing over and over again and eventually people get sick of responding. He played perfectly fine in those preseason games you’re clearly projecting with all of this.

Then don’t respond if you don’t feel like responding.
They can even mute or ignore me if they want to. I don’t mind.

I dont post here to get recognition or to get respect. Its all for hearing out other opinion no matter how repetitive or no matter little sense they made and having fun.

And if they say Ben has played perfectly fine, then i respect their judgement.

If i feel someone is irritating or repetitive, i dont find ways for them to stop posting their opinion.

It’s a message board. You can post your opinion as long as probably you don’t intentionally try to offend people.

[Sixerscan]

No. I just think at this point people know how limited he is that i dont have to tell them anymore. Most right now sounds ok to trade him for Harden. I think after almost 5 years in the league with almost no obvious improvement on offense, its a safe bet to project that he wont be anything special that would come back and bite us if we trade him for harden.

So what people need to respond to all 500 of your posts otherwise you have convinced them? You just say the same thing over and over again and eventually people get sick of responding. He played perfectly fine in those preseason games you’re clearly projecting with all of this.

If you think he played perfectly fine, then there’s nothing for anyone to debate anymore. You’re cool with having a #1 overall pick and 180M man being a defensive player who’s at best a third option on offense. Cool.

He’s like the 25th highest paid guy in the league. I don’t see any issue with that. Seems pretty clear that everyone in the league would gladly pay him that.

But obviously I mean that he hasn’t played in a way that’s changed his value at all. Which is why the only people saying that are the people that were already crapping on him before either of these games were played.

[Iverson Armband]

So what people need to respond to all 500 of your posts otherwise you have convinced them? You just say the same thing over and over again and eventually people get sick of responding. He played perfectly fine in those preseason games you’re clearly projecting with all of this.

If you think he played perfectly fine, then there’s nothing for anyone to debate anymore. You’re cool with having a #1 overall pick and 180M man being a defensive player who’s at best a third option on offense. Cool.

He’s like the 25th highest paid guy in the league. I don’t see any issue with that. Seems pretty clear that everyone in the league would gladly pay him that.

But obviously I mean that he hasn’t played in a way that’s changed his value at all. Which is why the only people saying that are the people that were already crapping on him before either of these games were played.

I agree, his value isn’t going to change off of two preseason games. But you know like I know Ben was given that contract largely off the potential of what he’s supposed to be. Right now, I still think teams have hopes a light will go off in his head, but If in 1-2 years he’s still playing how he’s playing (highly likely) that contract isn’t going to look so good in my opinion.