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Re: 2020 Fantasy Basketball Thread (Dynasty/Premier/G-League) 

Post#41 » by bwgood77 » Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:44 pm

sunskerr wrote:For dynasty: We need to keep a running tally of most championships won, and imo that should be a major, if not the biggest and most celebrated measure in our league's history. As of now, if we only keep track of total points, I think many managers will remain inclined to simply sit on their guys for 10 years instead of cashing in for a win now player(s). Why go all in for a year or two when you can just sit in the top 5 for the next 10 years and not ever have to rebuild?

I think a great real life example is/was (before recent years, at least), I'm sure you all know who I'm going to bring up- The Phoenix Suns, our own team, have never won a championship. We've been celebrated as a model of consistency, but the most talked about franchises like the Warriors, Lakers, etc. have won championships and have therefore won their league (the NBA). Even a single championship, such as the Mavericks, is celebrated.

Imo to better reflect real life, the first thing that should be featured for each GM should be how many championships that GM has won. Needless to say, championships should not carry over for teams that change ownership.

This imo will also have the added benefit of driving up player movement (even though imo we already move players pretty well) and competitiveness amongst teams, especially those at the top or those looking to leapfrog other teams.


I think last year or the year before, I tried to set a tally of 16 points for a championship, 15 points for runner up, on down to 1 point for last place, with a cumulation of points.

So everyone's primary goal going into seasons was to win and not just completely rebuild for 5 years. That could work, but I doubt you with a few championships or even finish top 3 soon after trying to do that. You mostly need a core of players between 25 and 32 or so in their primes....and if you can have one of the top under 25 players thats great but there are only about 5-8 of those real difference makers there.
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Re: 2020 Fantasy Basketball Thread (Dynasty/Premier/G-League) 

Post#42 » by dmastro32 » Thu Dec 17, 2020 9:26 pm

Alright I know most of you’re already in multiple leagues but have a winner take all money league I am a few people short in. Aiming for 12 teams head2head league if interested let me know draft would be on Saturday the 19th @ 9 pm Az time if interested. Pm or reply for more information.
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Post#43 » by bwgood77 » Thu Dec 17, 2020 9:31 pm

dmastro32 wrote:Alright I know most of you’re already in multiple leagues but have a winner take all money league I am a few people short in. Aiming for 12 teams head2head league if interested let me know draft would be on Saturday the 19th @ 9 pm Az time if interested. Pm or reply for more information.


Is it at least $200 a piece?

h2h is so random though. In the fantasy football playoffs this week I had the second highest score of anyone in the playoffs but just happened to be playing the guy with the highest score. Would have beaten anyone else in the entire playoffs. I was the 4 seed and he was the 5 seed.
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Re: 2020 Fantasy Basketball Thread (Dynasty/Premier/G-League) 

Post#44 » by dmastro32 » Thu Dec 17, 2020 9:34 pm

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dmastro32 wrote:Alright I know most of you’re already in multiple leagues but have a winner take all money league I am a few people short in. Aiming for 12 teams head2head league if interested let me know draft would be on Saturday the 19th @ 9 pm Az time if interested. Pm or reply for more information.


Is it at least $200 a piece?

h2h is so random though. In the fantasy football playoffs this week I had the second highest score of anyone in the playoffs but just happened to be playing the guy with the highest score. Would have beaten anyone else in the entire playoffs. I was the 4 seed and he was the 5 seed.


No we a poor folk league only $10 per team
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Post#45 » by bwgood77 » Thu Dec 17, 2020 9:38 pm

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bwgood77 wrote:
dmastro32 wrote:Alright I know most of you’re already in multiple leagues but have a winner take all money league I am a few people short in. Aiming for 12 teams head2head league if interested let me know draft would be on Saturday the 19th @ 9 pm Az time if interested. Pm or reply for more information.


Is it at least $200 a piece?

h2h is so random though. In the fantasy football playoffs this week I had the second highest score of anyone in the playoffs but just happened to be playing the guy with the highest score. Would have beaten anyone else in the entire playoffs. I was the 4 seed and he was the 5 seed.


No we a poor folk league only $10 per team


I bet some across realgm would do it.

How do you collect the money?

Is it h2h cat or h2h winner take all? Are turnovers included?
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Re: 2020 Fantasy Basketball Thread (Dynasty/Premier/G-League) 

Post#46 » by dmastro32 » Thu Dec 17, 2020 10:31 pm

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dmastro32 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Is it at least $200 a piece?

h2h is so random though. In the fantasy football playoffs this week I had the second highest score of anyone in the playoffs but just happened to be playing the guy with the highest score. Would have beaten anyone else in the entire playoffs. I was the 4 seed and he was the 5 seed.


No we a poor folk league only $10 per team


I bet some across realgm would do it.

How do you collect the money?

Is it h2h cat or h2h winner take all? Are turnovers included?


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Re: 2020 Fantasy Basketball Thread (Dynasty/Premier/G-League) 

Post#47 » by Book1Nation » Fri Dec 18, 2020 3:09 pm

Dynasty: keepers were an easy decision. I picked up a couple injured guys last year in John Wall and Blake Griffin I am taking risks on.

I am LOADED at point guard with Lillard, Westbrook, Wall, but still couldn’t pass up Haliburton in the draft after he fell to my pick. Would be willing to trade one of these guys for a wing. Lillard obviously the hardest to get from these guys.

I also drafted solid vets like Will Barton, Marcus Morris, Dillon Brooks because I literally had no wings. I drafted Justin Holiday but have since dropped him for Terrence Ross.
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Post#48 » by bwgood77 » Fri Dec 18, 2020 6:54 pm

Has anyone played in a league this extensive? SO many scoring categories and different cats are worth more or less and you lose points for FGs attempted, 3s missed, 3s attempted, FTs attempted (I guess this is a different way to calculated FG%, but with 3s attempted you get a 3 pt FG% imputed too)...

Extra points for double doubles, triple doubles..

Minus points for fouls, flagrants, ejections (probably not worth impacting draft).

Assists worth less than steals, blocks, FGs made....and you also get 1.5 for each FGM AND 1 pt for each point so this seems to put a BIG premium on points.

https://fantasy.espn.com/basketball/league/join?leagueId=185794&inviteId=2f6877f1-03eb-490e-9190-d28143bd1d64

Who do you think would rise and drop in these leagues?
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Post#49 » by dmastro32 » Fri Dec 18, 2020 8:47 pm

bwgood77 wrote:Has anyone played in a league this extensive? SO many scoring categories and different cats are worth more or less and you lose points for FGs attempted, 3s missed, 3s attempted, FTs attempted (I guess this is a different way to calculated FG%, but with 3s attempted you get a 3 pt FG% imputed too)...

Extra points for double doubles, triple doubles..

Minus points for fouls, flagrants, ejections (probably not worth impacting draft).

Assists worth less than steals, blocks, FGs made....and you also get 1.5 for each FGM AND 1 pt for each point so this seems to put a BIG premium on points.

https://fantasy.espn.com/basketball/league/join?leagueId=185794&inviteId=2f6877f1-03eb-490e-9190-d28143bd1d64

Who do you think would rise and drop in these leagues?



Mines not quite that intricate but does include triple doubles, fg attempted , Ft attempted and a bonus for the points over 40 are worth 2
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Post#50 » by Kyler Murray » Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:53 pm

bwgood77 wrote:Has anyone played in a league this extensive? SO many scoring categories and different cats are worth more or less and you lose points for FGs attempted, 3s missed, 3s attempted, FTs attempted (I guess this is a different way to calculated FG%, but with 3s attempted you get a 3 pt FG% imputed too)...

Extra points for double doubles, triple doubles..

Minus points for fouls, flagrants, ejections (probably not worth impacting draft).

Assists worth less than steals, blocks, FGs made....and you also get 1.5 for each FGM AND 1 pt for each point so this seems to put a BIG premium on points.

https://fantasy.espn.com/basketball/league/join?leagueId=185794&inviteId=2f6877f1-03eb-490e-9190-d28143bd1d64

Who do you think would rise and drop in these leagues?


Wouldn't even bother tbh.
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Post#51 » by bwgood77 » Fri Dec 18, 2020 10:26 pm

Kyler Murray wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:Has anyone played in a league this extensive? SO many scoring categories and different cats are worth more or less and you lose points for FGs attempted, 3s missed, 3s attempted, FTs attempted (I guess this is a different way to calculated FG%, but with 3s attempted you get a 3 pt FG% imputed too)...

Extra points for double doubles, triple doubles..

Minus points for fouls, flagrants, ejections (probably not worth impacting draft).

Assists worth less than steals, blocks, FGs made....and you also get 1.5 for each FGM AND 1 pt for each point so this seems to put a BIG premium on points.

https://fantasy.espn.com/basketball/league/join?leagueId=185794&inviteId=2f6877f1-03eb-490e-9190-d28143bd1d64

Who do you think would rise and drop in these leagues?


Wouldn't even bother tbh.


Yeah, also just noticed in the playoffs the "home" team gets 20 free points.
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Post#52 » by sunskerr » Fri Dec 18, 2020 11:25 pm

I think fantasy basketball should be looking at ways to better reflect stuff along the lines of real player production (ex find a way to make guys that play good basketball but aren't box score guys into players you can actually use). Adding absurd categories like double doubles, FG attempted etc. probably isn't the best way to go about it.

That being said, the current box score-based 8 cat system works well for the first round or two when talking about real player worth (so we have superstars at the very top of the rankings, and all stars generally follow after), and the 8 cat ranking can be used very well for both H2H and roto. It falls off in accuracy after those first two rounds but in general real life productive players are still in and around the earlier rounds.
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Post#53 » by bwgood77 » Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:47 pm

Kyler Murray wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:Has anyone played in a league this extensive? SO many scoring categories and different cats are worth more or less and you lose points for FGs attempted, 3s missed, 3s attempted, FTs attempted (I guess this is a different way to calculated FG%, but with 3s attempted you get a 3 pt FG% imputed too)...

Extra points for double doubles, triple doubles..

Minus points for fouls, flagrants, ejections (probably not worth impacting draft).

Assists worth less than steals, blocks, FGs made....and you also get 1.5 for each FGM AND 1 pt for each point so this seems to put a BIG premium on points.

https://fantasy.espn.com/basketball/league/join?leagueId=185794&inviteId=2f6877f1-03eb-490e-9190-d28143bd1d64

Who do you think would rise and drop in these leagues?


Wouldn't even bother tbh.


sunskerr wrote:I think fantasy basketball should be looking at ways to better reflect stuff along the lines of real player production (ex find a way to make guys that play good basketball but aren't box score guys into players you can actually use). Adding absurd categories like double doubles, FG attempted etc. probably isn't the best way to go about it.


Looking closer at how things are scored in this H2H league (or perhaps a lot of H2H leagues now), it is all based on point accumulation for categories, so now that I realize they are not scoring individual categories against each other, like H2H usually is (or used to be), there is no FG% or FT% because you can't quantify that into points. Everything is an accumulation of points for things instead.

So the FGA and FTA being a minus and FGM and FTM being a slightly lesser plus, actually makes sense in a way to capture points for FG% and FT%.

The double double and triple double bonuses are a bit gimmicky, as well as the minuses for flagrants, techs and ejections...I guess in the latter case, sunskerr, this kind of does capture something that actually matters in real games.
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Post#54 » by WeekapaugGroove » Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:51 pm

I'm looking to break some kind of record for most moves made before any games are played. Up to 9 transactions already lol .

Picked up immanuel quickley... His best quality is he isn't elf payton, smith or french frank

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Post#55 » by bwgood77 » Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:06 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:I'm looking to break some kind of record for most moves made before any games are played. Up to 9 transactions already lol .

Picked up immanuel quickley... His best quality is he isn't elf payton, smith or french frank

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I've seen guys I want to pick up but don't because I don't want to drop anyone, though I'm talking dynasty and not premier.

Preseason really tells you little outside of rookies I think. Is Quickly a rookie? I did notice his name and stats scanning box scores last night.

The only guy I picked up was Theo Maledon after 1 game...not sure how he did in the rest. I liked Aleksej's line last night though. A raw rook pulling down 13 rebounds and getting some steals shows he puts in a ton of effort..hit a couple 3s too. He might be kind of your Isaac type at some point.
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Post#56 » by WeekapaugGroove » Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:29 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:I'm looking to break some kind of record for most moves made before any games are played. Up to 9 transactions already lol .

Picked up immanuel quickley... His best quality is he isn't elf payton, smith or french frank

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I've seen guys I want to pick up but don't because I don't want to drop anyone, though I'm talking dynasty and not premier.

Preseason really tells you little outside of rookies I think. Is Quickly a rookie? I did notice his name and stats scanning box scores last night.

The only guy I picked up was Theo Maledon after 1 game...not sure how he did in the rest. I liked Aleksej's line last night though. A raw rook pulling down 13 rebounds and getting some steals shows he puts in a ton of effort..hit a couple 3s too. He might be kind of your Isaac type at some point.
Yeah quickley is a rook, was a late 1st for the Knicks. He's a long shot but the rest of their PG is such trash it's not completely out of the question he takes that job.

My strategy is to have 2-3 lotto tickets early in the year and hopefully by a month in I can ID one or two that are worth rostering the whole season then I'll replace the others with vets.

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Post#57 » by Kerrsed » Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:46 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:I'm looking to break some kind of record for most moves made before any games are played. Up to 9 transactions already lol .

Picked up immanuel quickley... His best quality is he isn't elf payton, smith or french frank

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I was ready to drop Kira for him, but saw you snagged him like 10 minutes before i could. He has played GREAT for the Knicks and might end up as their starting PG for the season. He should be getting plenty of minutes and just like you said, he isnt one of those weak-ass PG's that they have on the roster. He is a great pick-up. Once again a Kentucky Guard who flew under the radar in college looks to make an impact in the league.
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Post#58 » by bwgood77 » Sat Dec 19, 2020 11:12 pm

Kerrsed wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:I'm looking to break some kind of record for most moves made before any games are played. Up to 9 transactions already lol .

Picked up immanuel quickley... His best quality is he isn't elf payton, smith or french frank

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I was ready to drop Kira for him, but saw you snagged him like 10 minutes before i could. He has played GREAT for the Knicks and might end up as their starting PG for the season. He should be getting plenty of minutes and just like you said, he isnt one of those weak-ass PG's that they have on the roster. He is a great pick-up. Once again a Kentucky Guard who flew under the radar in college looks to make an impact in the league.


It's funny, all those PGs were top 10 picks. Knicks fans still love French Frank. It's the weirdest thing..a long time I've seen a fanbase hang onto really liking a guy who hasn't done anything. Especially one that is usually quick to turn on guys.
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Post#59 » by sunskerr » Sat Dec 19, 2020 11:26 pm

Quickley looks solid. Was thinking about grabbing him but remembered I’m trying to compete this year. Although I think I hit a home run in Gary Trent Jr. with regards to the future.
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Post#60 » by Kerrsed » Sun Dec 20, 2020 5:18 am

bwgood77 wrote:
Kerrsed wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:I'm looking to break some kind of record for most moves made before any games are played. Up to 9 transactions already lol .

Picked up immanuel quickley... His best quality is he isn't elf payton, smith or french frank

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I was ready to drop Kira for him, but saw you snagged him like 10 minutes before i could. He has played GREAT for the Knicks and might end up as their starting PG for the season. He should be getting plenty of minutes and just like you said, he isnt one of those weak-ass PG's that they have on the roster. He is a great pick-up. Once again a Kentucky Guard who flew under the radar in college looks to make an impact in the league.


It's funny, all those PGs were top 10 picks. Knicks fans still love French Frank. It's the weirdest thing..a long time I've seen a fanbase hang onto really liking a guy who hasn't done anything. Especially one that is usually quick to turn on guys.


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