Fantasy Trade Thread: 2020 Offseason

[Kobblehead]

I'd rather reclaim Dennis Smith.

[Negrodamus]

Or... we should buy low on Malik Monk right now. Fresh off a suspension and he has probably been passed over at this point in Charlotte.

Why? What does he do, that Shake Milton doesn't already do...

I don't understand the question. Why is he being compared to Shake?

He's an extremely athletic shooter that excels in fast break opportunities and has some upside for drawing fouls, a trait not usually shown in three point shooter role players. He's an excellent fit with Ben, while also having the natural ability to cut off ball in halfcourt sets and also running the DHO with Embiid. He forced too much in CHA as he's not Lou Williams. A structured role in Philly would serve him well. He's more of a replacement option for Seth, who is basically a warm body on the court.

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[LloydFree]

Or... we should buy low on Malik Monk right now. Fresh off a suspension and he has probably been passed over at this point in Charlotte.

Why? What does he do, that Shake Milton doesn't already do...

I don't understand the question. Why is he being compared to Shake?

He's an extremely athletic shooter that excels in fast break opportunities and has some upside for drawing fouls, a trait not usually shown in three point shooter role players. He's an excellent fit with Ben, while also having the natural ability to cut off ball in halfcourt sets and also running the DHO with Embiid. He forced too much in CHA as he's not Lou Williams. A structured role in Philly would serve him well. He's more of a replacement option for Seth, who is basically a warm body on the court.

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Malik Monk is a waste of time. He doesn't do anything that would make me waste minutes that could be used on Maxey or shake. Regardless of the presence of Seth Curry.

[Kobblehead]

Agree that Monk would basically just be a Seth Curry replacement. A tiny shooting specialist that offers very little other than shooting the ball. The issue with Monk, though, is that he hasn't even shot well yet. He's bad at the only thing he's capable of being good at.

[Negrodamus]

Why? What does he do, that Shake Milton doesn't already do...

I don't understand the question. Why is he being compared to Shake?

He's an extremely athletic shooter that excels in fast break opportunities and has some upside for drawing fouls, a trait not usually shown in three point shooter role players. He's an excellent fit with Ben, while also having the natural ability to cut off ball in halfcourt sets and also running the DHO with Embiid. He forced too much in CHA as he's not Lou Williams. A structured role in Philly would serve him well. He's more of a replacement option for Seth, who is basically a warm body on the court.

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Malik Monk is a waste of time. He doesn't do anything that would make me waste minutes that could be used on Maxey or shake. Regardless of the presence of Seth Curry.

Well, obviously you're entitled to your opinion and I acknowledge that you don't think there's much meat on the Monk bone. I just don't see how Maxey or Shake really make a difference in this conversation as Malik is strictly a 6th man SG with the intention of adding offense, while the aforementioned Maxey and Shake have largely been playing PG roles (both of which would be able to play with Malik at the same time).

I understand that we haven't had more than 2-3 legitimate offensive contributors in the backcourt in a given year since Doug Collins was our coach, but I promise you, it's something that can occur.

[Negrodamus]

Agree that Monk would basically just be a Seth Curry replacement. A tiny shooting specialist that offers very little other than shooting the ball. The issue with Monk, though, is that he hasn't even shot well yet. He's bad at the only thing he's capable of being good at.

I don't think the three point percentage is indicative of what he's capable of shooting. Still shooting in the 80% FT. Was a 40% 3FG shooting in college on 8 attempts per game. Like I said before, I think he was given a green light and overextended himself on a mediocre team. As a shooting specialist, it was always going to be this way. Usually it's the second or third team that reaps the benefits (Joe Harris, JJ, etc).

I will say that him being a 54% 2FG on 5 attempts per game last year is noteworthy as a small scorer.

[Kobblehead]

Agree that Monk would basically just be a Seth Curry replacement. A tiny shooting specialist that offers very little other than shooting the ball. The issue with Monk, though, is that he hasn't even shot well yet. He's bad at the only thing he's capable of being good at.

I don't think the three point percentage is indicative of what he's capable of shooting. Still shooting in the 80% FT. Was a 40% 3FG shooting in college on 8 attempts per game. Like I said before, I think he was given a green light and overextended himself on a mediocre team. As a shooting specialist, it was always going to be this way. Usually it's the second or third team that reaps the benefits (Joe Harris, JJ, etc).

I will say that him being a 54% 2FG on 5 attempts per game last year is noteworthy as a small scorer.

Do you think he has upside off the dribble? If not, I don't really see the value of the addition. He's bad intangibly, he plays no defense, and his shot has been very erratic at the NBA level despite having a A shooting profile as a prospect.

Having both Monk and Curry in the rotation is tough. We'd basically be dedicating a huge chunk of nightly backcourt minutes to defensive and creation liabilities.

[Negrodamus]

Agree that Monk would basically just be a Seth Curry replacement. A tiny shooting specialist that offers very little other than shooting the ball. The issue with Monk, though, is that he hasn't even shot well yet. He's bad at the only thing he's capable of being good at.

I don't think the three point percentage is indicative of what he's capable of shooting. Still shooting in the 80% FT. Was a 40% 3FG shooting in college on 8 attempts per game. Like I said before, I think he was given a green light and overextended himself on a mediocre team. As a shooting specialist, it was always going to be this way. Usually it's the second or third team that reaps the benefits (Joe Harris, JJ, etc).

I will say that him being a 54% 2FG on 5 attempts per game last year is noteworthy as a small scorer.

Do you think he has upside off the dribble? If not, I don't really see the value of the addition. He's bad intangibly, he plays no defense, and his shot has been very erratic at the NBA level despite having a A shooting profile as a prospect.

Having both Monk and Curry in the rotation is tough. We'd basically be dedicating a huge chunk of nightly backcourt minutes to defensive and creation liabilities.

Oh no, I'm talking trade Curry for Monk.

However, he does have some dribbling chops as beating guys on the closeout is a main part of his game. I wouldn't want him hammering the ball at any point, but he is clearly a great finisher at the rim (58%). He really should be a C&S, DHO option that gets out in the fastbreak and converts Ben's assists. He couldn't be more optimized for this current system; meanwhile Curry just kinda floats around the perimeter waiting to miss his shot. I'd rather take a chance on the upside.

[Kobblehead]

Oh yeah, I'd do that swap in a heartbeat. I thought we were talking about doubling up on that archetype.

[76thBearCub]

Just saw a list of free agents for next year. Its pretty terrible. Maybe somebody will take Tobias off our hands.

[76ciology]

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All these teams may have high value on Tobi given their cap space and who are the FAs for 2021.

[Kobblehead]

Unless Tobias shows that he can create to the degree a leading scoring option is supposed to be able to, nobody is going to want him on that deal.

[Kobblehead]

OMG, could you imagine a deadline swap of Harris for DeRozan? That would be a dream come true.

[51X3RF4N]

To HOU:
Simmons
Harris
Bradley
Korkmaz

To Cleveland:
Gordon

To PHI:
Harden
Tucker
Love
House

Add picks whenever value isn't there.

Why for Houston? Getting Simmons and Harris together for 5 years with Wall is a big 3 of a sort. Shipping out Gordon is a win. Giving up an unhappy Tucker is a win. Having to include House hurts but it's the cost of getting Ben, the best player realistically available for Harden.

Why for Cleland? Trading a bad contract for a smaller bad contract. They might get picks to make it work. Or shuffle Bradley or Korkmaz over that way.

Why for Philly? Love's contract lines up with Embiid and Harden. 3 years left. If Harden declines his $47M player option then you can move on from an expiring Love and resign Joel and rebuild around him with a fresh salary situation. Gets rid of Harris. Love is a better offensive fit.

Embiid/Howard/Poirier
Love/Tucker/Scott
Green/House/Ferguson
Harden/Thybulle/Joe
Curry/Shake/Maxey

Now you also have Shake, Maxey, Thybulle all fighting for minutes and potentially available to be moved for other pieces. And an incredibly deep bench with 3 starter level players on it.

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[76ciology]

Rockets:
Ben Simmons
Tobias Harris
8m trade exemption
7M expiring (ferguson and poirer)
- Rockets got Ben Simmons and got 14M of cap relief, this should make Fertita happy.

Knicks:
John Wall
- Knicks dont have a PG and finally get a big ticket player.
- Knicks have cap space so absorbing Wall’s contract won’t hurt

Bulls:
Julius Randle
- Randle is 10M cheaper than Porter, who plays on the bench after they drafted Williams.
- Porter is one year service. Bulls gets 2 year service with Randle and also fills a need.

Bulls 5:
Coby White
Lavine
Patrick Williams
Randle
Wendell Carter

Sixers:
Harden
Otto Porter
- Sixers want more for Harden and they got it

[Black Mage]

Just curious, but if the GSW are in contention this year, but need another piece for a serious run at the title. Do you think they'd ever consider moving Klay and if so, could we fashion a deal around Tobias?

I know it's not likely, but maybe GSW would consider it to get a healthy player than risk Klay not returning to form.

[76ciology]

Just curious, but if the GSW are in contention this year, but need another piece for a serious run at the title. Do you think they'd ever consider moving Klay and if so, could we fashion a deal around Tobias?

I know it's not likely, but maybe GSW would consider it to get a healthy player than risk Klay not returning to form.

No GM is going to risk trading for Klay.

[76ciology]

If you can turn back the clock to 2020 offseason.

Would you do..

Sixers:
Wall
Beal

Wizards
Ben
Tobias

Wall-Beal-Biid trio would be very good

Wizard didnt have to trade a first dispose Wall

[the_process]

Just curious, but if the GSW are in contention this year, but need another piece for a serious run at the title. Do you think they'd ever consider moving Klay and if so, could we fashion a deal around Tobias?

I know it's not likely, but maybe GSW would consider it to get a healthy player than risk Klay not returning to form.

No GM is going to risk trading for Klay.

For Tobias straight up? You take the risk. If they ask for picks is when the hesitation starts.

[76ciology]

Just curious, but if the GSW are in contention this year, but need another piece for a serious run at the title. Do you think they'd ever consider moving Klay and if so, could we fashion a deal around Tobias?

I know it's not likely, but maybe GSW would consider it to get a healthy player than risk Klay not returning to form.

No GM is going to risk trading for Klay.

For Tobias straight up? You take the risk. If they ask for picks is when the hesitation starts.

Easy for us to say because we dont have skin in the game.