Who do you think was a better "Robin": Kevin Durant or Anthony Davis?

[oaktownwarriors87]

The difference is that Durand is still really good for the whole game and isn’t falling apart at the end of games. Curry has just not really been better than even harden after the end of close playoff games against great teams.

What the hell are you talking about? He's literally 2nd all time in points per 4th quarter in a Finals with a 70% TS%, and he's consistently one of the top performers in the "clutch" statistics.

Curry literally has the 3rd highest eFG% in "clutch" minutes (last 5 minutes, game within 6 points) in the playoffs.

Shaq is #1 in both those stats.

Stop making **** up. You're embarrassing yourself.

Hes played in the finals against The cavs in 2015, why wouldnt he be awesome? Had durant to play off of, why wouldnt he be awesome? I dont think there is an argument to be made he was great in 2016 unless are going to try that, and he was quite pedestrian in 2019 other than the 47 point game which didnt really matter because he was in the position of being overwhelmed by the other teams talent and still lost by over 30, and he even cut it to ten with 8 minutes left and didnt get another field goal. He had a chance to force a game 7 failed. he had a chance to win in 2016 to win and couldnt get 1 out of three games.

he has solid stats but hes been 5-3 in elimination games. hasnt made a go ahead basket in the playoffs?

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I cant call someone clutch that cant give game winners. he struggles to even get the shot off. Im not saying hes trash in the 4th quarter. What I am saying is that he cant create good shots for himself against good defense when it matters.

If you put out a team with good switch defenders, or they cant get a switch teams can force the ball either out of his hands or make him pass. That makes him no different than harden, no different than lillard.

His best finals performances are with durant.

I was well aware of all those numbers you gave and I still said that. Its not an uniformed opinion. Im merely holding him to the standard of Lebron James, Michael Jordan, Shaq and all time greats, because I believe he is one. I just again... dont think he creates shots well enough on his own to see he is one of the most clutch performers of all time.

So let's ignore the fact that he's the 3rd most efficient scorer in the clutch in the playoffs and the 2nd all time leader in 4tg quarter scoring in a Finals.

Let's ignore when he played with Durant and ignore when he played the Cavs without Irving. I'll entertain you.

In 2016 he ISO'd 4.5 times per game in the playoffs, 18% of all his possessions. Almost the exact same as KD. He averaged 1.14 PPP, the 2nd most efficient in the NBA. KD averaged 0.75, near the bottom 3rd in efficiency.

All of your opinions are easily proven as factually incorrect.

[Doctor MJ]

Both KD (GSW) and AD (Lakers) were amazing & delivered great stats.

However, most people consider LeBron & Steph Curry were by far the most impactful player in their respective team.

Which is just an another way of say LeBron & Curry were de-facto the better player.

As the title says, who do you think was a better "Robin": KD (GSW) or AD (Lakers)?

The implication of being a Robin is that you're fitting in around Batman.

AD was a great Robin last year fitting around LeBron's Batman.

In GS, Curry was both Batman (the more valuable player) and Robin (the one who adjusted to help Durant).

Hence, while you can argue Durant > AD, Durant really doesn't qualify as a Robin for me.

[Lockdown504090]

What the hell are you talking about? He's literally 2nd all time in points per 4th quarter in a Finals with a 70% TS%, and he's consistently one of the top performers in the "clutch" statistics.

Curry literally has the 3rd highest eFG% in "clutch" minutes (last 5 minutes, game within 6 points) in the playoffs.

Shaq is #1 in both those stats.

Stop making **** up. You're embarrassing yourself.

Hes played in the finals against The cavs in 2015, why wouldnt he be awesome? Had durant to play off of, why wouldnt he be awesome? I dont think there is an argument to be made he was great in 2016 unless are going to try that, and he was quite pedestrian in 2019 other than the 47 point game which didnt really matter because he was in the position of being overwhelmed by the other teams talent and still lost by over 30, and he even cut it to ten with 8 minutes left and didnt get another field goal. He had a chance to force a game 7 failed. he had a chance to win in 2016 to win and couldnt get 1 out of three games.

he has solid stats but hes been 5-3 in elimination games. hasnt made a go ahead basket in the playoffs?

Watch on YouTube

;ab_channel=ESPN
I cant call someone clutch that cant give game winners. he struggles to even get the shot off. Im not saying hes trash in the 4th quarter. What I am saying is that he cant create good shots for himself against good defense when it matters.

If you put out a team with good switch defenders, or they cant get a switch teams can force the ball either out of his hands or make him pass. That makes him no different than harden, no different than lillard.

His best finals performances are with durant.

I was well aware of all those numbers you gave and I still said that. Its not an uniformed opinion. Im merely holding him to the standard of Lebron James, Michael Jordan, Shaq and all time greats, because I believe he is one. I just again... dont think he creates shots well enough on his own to see he is one of the most clutch performers of all time.

So let's ignore the fact that he's the 3rd most efficient scorer in the clutch in the playoffs and the 2nd all time leader in 4tg quarter scoring in a Finals.

Let's ignore when he played with Durant and ignore when he played the Cavs without Irving. I'll entertain you.

In 2016 he ISO'd 4.5 times per game in the playoffs, 18% of all his possessions. Almost the exact same as KD. He averaged 1.14 PPP, the 2nd most efficient in the NBA. KD averaged 0.75, near the bottom 3rd in efficiency.

All of your opinions are easily proven as factually incorrect.

They didnt play against a top five defense in that post season. The team they lost to ran a train on two top five defenses. but I was very proud of how he played in that series. I wish they didn't get Durant because I feel like I missed out on seeing him play like that more often, because he was very dominant in that series.

[ninjamilk23]

Durant is definitely better than Curry that's why him surrendering and joining him is what made him weak. He could've stayed in OKC or joined another team. If I remember correctly Clippers, Spurs, and Boston were all in good position to acquire KD. Any of the three would've still given him a great chance at winning but instead he decided to join the team that eliminated him.

[Frozzy]

Steph and KD were 1A & 1B. Not Batman and Robin.

[andrewww]

Both KD (GSW) and AD (Lakers) were amazing & delivered great stats.

However, most people consider LeBron & Steph Curry were by far the most impactful player in their respective team.

Which is just an another way of say LeBron & Curry were de-facto the better player.

As the title says, who do you think was a better "Robin": KD (GSW) or AD (Lakers)?

The implication of being a Robin is that you're fitting in around Batman.

AD was a great Robin last year fitting around LeBron's Batman.

In GS, Curry was both Batman (the more valuable player) and Robin (the one who adjusted to help Durant).

Hence, while you can argue Durant > AD, Durant really doesn't qualify as a Robin for me.

I don't think AD qualifies as a Robin either. We can debate all we want but the reality is that all 4 of these players are go-to guys capable of being the lead star on a championship team.

And if I recall correctly you are also in agreement that AD would've gotten your vote as 2020 FMVP? Given the ridiculous shooting splits, big shots, key defensive stops..and once the Lakers put AD on Jimmy and played AD at the 5, Miami (without healthy Dragic) had no answer for them.

[oaktownwarriors87]

Hes played in the finals against The cavs in 2015, why wouldnt he be awesome? Had durant to play off of, why wouldnt he be awesome? I dont think there is an argument to be made he was great in 2016 unless are going to try that, and he was quite pedestrian in 2019 other than the 47 point game which didnt really matter because he was in the position of being overwhelmed by the other teams talent and still lost by over 30, and he even cut it to ten with 8 minutes left and didnt get another field goal. He had a chance to force a game 7 failed. he had a chance to win in 2016 to win and couldnt get 1 out of three games.

he has solid stats but hes been 5-3 in elimination games. hasnt made a go ahead basket in the playoffs?

Watch on YouTube

;ab_channel=ESPN
I cant call someone clutch that cant give game winners. he struggles to even get the shot off. Im not saying hes trash in the 4th quarter. What I am saying is that he cant create good shots for himself against good defense when it matters.

If you put out a team with good switch defenders, or they cant get a switch teams can force the ball either out of his hands or make him pass. That makes him no different than harden, no different than lillard.

His best finals performances are with durant.

I was well aware of all those numbers you gave and I still said that. Its not an uniformed opinion. Im merely holding him to the standard of Lebron James, Michael Jordan, Shaq and all time greats, because I believe he is one. I just again... dont think he creates shots well enough on his own to see he is one of the most clutch performers of all time.

So let's ignore the fact that he's the 3rd most efficient scorer in the clutch in the playoffs and the 2nd all time leader in 4tg quarter scoring in a Finals.

Let's ignore when he played with Durant and ignore when he played the Cavs without Irving. I'll entertain you.

In 2016 he ISO'd 4.5 times per game in the playoffs, 18% of all his possessions. Almost the exact same as KD. He averaged 1.14 PPP, the 2nd most efficient in the NBA. KD averaged 0.75, near the bottom 3rd in efficiency.

All of your opinions are easily proven as factually incorrect.

They didnt play against a top five defense in that post season. The team they lost to ran a train on two top five defenses. but I was very proud of how he played in that series. I wish they didn't get Durant because I feel like I missed out on seeing him play like that more often, because he was very dominant in that series.

So Stephen Curry being arguably the best ISO scorer in the playoffs doesn't count because he didn't play The Atlanta Hawks, Boston Celtics, Indiana Pacers or the San Antonio Spurs? You have to be **** joking.

To think that a team rolling out Russel Westbrook, Andre Roberson, Kevin Durant, Serge Ibaka and Steven Adams isn't enough of a challenge defensively is an absolute JOKE. You're done. All the numbers show that Stephen Curry is one of the greatest playoff performers of all time. Your lame excuses don't stick.

Stick to talking about how tall Durant is and Stephen A Smith quotes. The numbers favor Curry, heavily.

[Jadoogar]

Kevin Durant was never the Robin, Steph was.

Statistically, the team was always better with Steph

[oaktownwarriors87]

Kevin Durant was never the Robin, Steph was.

Statistically, the team was always better with Steph

Because Curry draws double teams and the majority of Durants shots are assisted.

Durant needs a playmaker. Curry needs a ball.

[Doctor MJ]

Both KD (GSW) and AD (Lakers) were amazing & delivered great stats.

However, most people consider LeBron & Steph Curry were by far the most impactful player in their respective team.

Which is just an another way of say LeBron & Curry were de-facto the better player.

As the title says, who do you think was a better "Robin": KD (GSW) or AD (Lakers)?

The implication of being a Robin is that you're fitting in around Batman.

AD was a great Robin last year fitting around LeBron's Batman.

In GS, Curry was both Batman (the more valuable player) and Robin (the one who adjusted to help Durant).

Hence, while you can argue Durant > AD, Durant really doesn't qualify as a Robin for me.

I don't think AD qualifies as a Robin either. We can debate all we want but the reality is that all 4 of these players are go-to guys capable of being the lead star on a championship team.

And if I recall correctly you are also in agreement that AD would've gotten your vote as 2020 FMVP? Given the ridiculous shooting splits, big shots, key defensive stops..and once the Lakers put AD on Jimmy and played AD at the 5, Miami (without healthy Dragic) had no answer for them.

That's true, I did have AD as my Finals MVP.

Here's the key thing: I had him as my Finals MVP because of his defense. The Batman/Robin paradigm is generally seen as an offensive thing, and offensively LeBron was clearly the best offensive player on the team.

[Profound23]

Davis wasn't Robin so I have to pick KD

[giannis and 1]

KD and AD were both the most effective players for their teams during their respective championships runs.

[Homer38]

KD was the better player but Davis was more important to the lakers that KD was to the warriors.

[TheDeadDodo]

:lol: @ a 2x FMVP being a “robin”

Just think of it this way... if he never teams up with Curry and the Warriors, he likely never wins a ring.

[Yeezus_]

:lol: @ a 2x FMVP being a “robin”

Just think of it this way... if he never teams up with Curry and the Warriors, he likely never wins a ring.

Okay? That doesn't make him a better player. KD is definitely the better overall player.

[Yeezus_]

Man calling KD a robin is kind of disrespectful considering how good he is.

[Smash3]

This is why KD left he got no recognition from the GSW (IMO rightfully so) but calling KD a Robin is pretty ridiculous. LeBron would have had two more titles if not for KD, he was the 1A to Curry's 1B.

[Drygon]

Durant is definitely better than Curry that's why him surrendering and joining him is what made him weak. He could've stayed in OKC or joined another team. If I remember correctly Clippers, Spurs, and Boston were all in good position to acquire KD. Any of the three would've still given him a great chance at winning but instead he decided to join the team that eliminated him.

People woud've called it a weak move anyway if KD won a Championship on those team.

Kawhi's title with Raptors is discredited for having "great supporting cast" around him.

Hell, people were calling Lakers a super after LeBron & AD won 2020 NBA Finals lol.

People will always find ways to diminish someone's accomplishments.

[Drygon]

Man calling KD a robin is kind of disrespectful considering how good he is.

Noone is denying that KD is an amazing pure scorer.

He just isn't as good as Curry in term of impact.

[michaelm]

If you look at all the finals mvps those guys for the most part iso a lot and shoot midrange jumpers, even in todays era, and without durant the warriors blew a 3-1 lead against a team lead by two guys who play like that.

Yeah and for the last few minutes of the game you need a guy who can do that. But for the first 45 minutes running Curry and Klay off screens is just better offense.

The difference is that Durand is still really good for the whole game and isn’t falling apart at the end of games. Curry has just not really been better than even harden after the end of close playoff games against great teams. He’s not able to create his shot on great defenders, and if he uses a screen they will take the ball out of his hands with a trap. That’s why teams don’t run screens as much to end games, or rely on little guards to win them titles. They do the same thing to Dame, cp3, Nash and historically, everyone else for the most part.

Metrics are fine for telling us what happened in a game, they aren’t predictive on an individual game or series, because catch all metrics do not account for match ups or strategy, and fans are not willing enough to look at ALL the important data, they don’t know what data is important, and they don’t fully grasp coaching adjustments to understand what’s really happening when one of the best players of all time Is consistently struggling against certain coverage and match ups

Yes, a great deficiency in Curry at 6 foot 3 that he can be stopped by a triple team in the finals if he has no outlet for his passing, which also freed up the likes of LeBron and Kawhi Leonard ffs to be part of the triple teaming because they had no need to defend the starting SFs opposing them.

Another nonsensical alpha/beta thread btw, LeBron obviously needs ‘help’ to win, as does Curry, whom I am sure didn’t regard KD as Robin to his Batman himself, and if LeBron regards Davis that way which he probably doesn’t then he is wrong, I doubt there is a player in the NBA who would be as good as Davis next to him other than a fully healthy Kevin Durant, which may be a phenomenon that no longer exists.