Bears 2019/20; George McCaskey is on the clock

[mack2354]

People forget that Eddie Goldman opted out because of COVID worries. He was a huge piece to our run defense the last 2 years and was even a Pro Bowl alternate last season. His absence has hurt our defense this year. The fact that we were even an average team this year with the loss of Goldman and the terrible offensive line play means this team has some potential going forward.

goldman is not a game changer (few D-linemen are):

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-defensive-line-rankings-all-32-units-entering-the-2020-nfl-season

The Bears are ranked 16th this year against the run with Goldman missing. In 2019 they were ranked 9th w/ Goldman playing and Hicks missing a big chunk of the season due to injury. In 2018 w/ Goldman and Hicks playing they were ranked......1st against the run. Few D-Lineman may be game changers but Goldman, Hicks, and Mack are among the few.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/opponent-rushing-yards-per-game?date=2019-02-04

[Dresden]

I'm good with drafting a QB in the later rounds, but you have to separate this from your plan...a 4th-round QB may help you or more likely, he'll hold a clipboard for a few years.

I don't understand the thinking behind "let's draft a qb late and develop him". Since when has that ever worked for the Bears?

[dice]

Chances on Bears making the Playoffs? Cardinals need to at least lose one of their last two and Bears winning out OR buccaneers losing last two and Bears winning out OR bears going 1-1 and Cardinals losing last two and Minnesota going 1-1.

Should come down to week 17.

Packers look like they can have the #1 seed locked up with a win next week so they might rest their starters in week 17.

Rams are tied W/L with the Bucs right now so they should be playing hard for week 17 to keep the 5th seed (against the NFC East Champs)

Jags have an excellent chance at Trevor Lawrence and have been getting blown out recently.

SF/Arizona should be competitive so there's a chance Arizona drops that game.

assuming that the packers don't have #1 locked up headed into week 17, we're likely looking at a scenario where the bears would be trying to beat the packers for the right to...play them again the following week in lambeau

[dice]

I'm good with drafting a QB in the later rounds, but you have to separate this from your plan...a 4th-round QB may help you or more likely, he'll hold a clipboard for a few years.

I don't understand the thinking behind "let's draft a qb late and develop him". Since when has that ever worked for the Bears?

hell, drafting a QB in the first round hasn't worked particularly well for the bears since mcmahon. and he was merely good in 66 games for us

[Dresden]

In the 4 games since Mitch's return, the Bears are averaging 32 ppg. KC leads the league with a 31.7 average. I know the competition has been poor, but still.

[dice]

People forget that Eddie Goldman opted out because of COVID worries. He was a huge piece to our run defense the last 2 years and was even a Pro Bowl alternate last season. His absence has hurt our defense this year. The fact that we were even an average team this year with the loss of Goldman and the terrible offensive line play means this team has some potential going forward.

goldman is not a game changer (few D-linemen are):

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-defensive-line-rankings-all-32-units-entering-the-2020-nfl-season

The Bears are ranked 16th this year against the run with Goldman missing. In 2019 they were ranked 9th w/ Goldman playing and Hicks missing a big chunk of the season due to injury. In 2018 w/ Goldman and Hicks playing they were ranked......1st against the run. Few D-Lineman may be game changers but Goldman, Hicks, and Mack are among the few.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/opponent-rushing-yards-per-game?date=2019-02-04

did you not read the link i provided? goldman was average last season. he had a career year the previous season, but there's no reason to think that his presence would have markedly changed the team's fortunes this season

[mack2354]

goldman is not a game changer (few D-linemen are):

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-defensive-line-rankings-all-32-units-entering-the-2020-nfl-season

The Bears are ranked 16th this year against the run with Goldman missing. In 2019 they were ranked 9th w/ Goldman playing and Hicks missing a big chunk of the season due to injury. In 2018 w/ Goldman and Hicks playing they were ranked......1st against the run. Few D-Lineman may be game changers but Goldman, Hicks, and Mack are among the few.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/opponent-rushing-yards-per-game?date=2019-02-04

did you not read the link i provided? goldman was average last season

I read it. That is one writer's opinion. Other talent evaluators thought he was good enough to be named a Pro Bowl alternate. Does being a Pro Bowl alternate mean you are some amazing superstar? Of course not. Otherwise Mitch wouldn't have ever been named a Pro Bowl alternate. The stats show he makes a difference and the professionals who pick decide who makes the Pro Bowl believe that he is at least above average.

[dice]

The Bears are ranked 16th this year against the run with Goldman missing. In 2019 they were ranked 9th w/ Goldman playing and Hicks missing a big chunk of the season due to injury. In 2018 w/ Goldman and Hicks playing they were ranked......1st against the run. Few D-Lineman may be game changers but Goldman, Hicks, and Mack are among the few.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/opponent-rushing-yards-per-game?date=2019-02-04

did you not read the link i provided? goldman was average last season

I read it. That is one writer's opinion.

no, no it's not. PFF is the cream of the crop. they study EVERY. SINGLE. PLAY. nfl teams pay for their services

the professionals who pick decide who makes the Pro Bowl believe that he is at least above average.

i can guarantee you that not a lot of the people who decide pro bowlers are actually watching a lot of game tape

and we're talking about whether he's a game changer, not whether he's merely above average

[Susan]

Chances on Bears making the Playoffs? Cardinals need to at least lose one of their last two and Bears winning out OR buccaneers losing last two and Bears winning out OR bears going 1-1 and Cardinals losing last two and Minnesota going 1-1.

Should come down to week 17.

Packers look like they can have the #1 seed locked up with a win next week so they might rest their starters in week 17.

Rams are tied W/L with the Bucs right now so they should be playing hard for week 17 to keep the 5th seed (against the NFC East Champs)

Jags have an excellent chance at Trevor Lawrence and have been getting blown out recently.

SF/Arizona should be competitive so there's a chance Arizona drops that game.

assuming that the packers don't have #1 locked up headed into week 17, we're likely looking at a scenario where the bears would be trying to beat the packers for the right to...play them again the following week in lambeau

They face the Titans at home next week.

Derrick Henry is going to run all over them but Tennessee has an absolutely horrid defense and Rodgers is going to shred them.

[Susan]

did you not read the link i provided? goldman was average last season

I read it. That is one writer's opinion.

no, no it's not. PFF is the cream of the crop. they study EVERY. SINGLE. PLAY. nfl teams pay for their services

the professionals who pick decide who makes the Pro Bowl believe that he is at least above average.

i can guarantee you that not a lot of the people who decide pro bowlers are actually watching a lot of game tape

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He's a plus starter, the Bears have missed him.

[dice]

[goldman is] a plus starter, the Bears have missed him.

there's no question about that, but doesn't address what i was saying

[mack2354]

did you not read the link i provided? goldman was average last season

I read it. That is one writer's opinion.

no, no it's not. PFF is the cream of the crop. they study EVERY. SINGLE. PLAY. nfl teams pay for their services

the professionals who pick decide who makes the Pro Bowl believe that he is at least above average.

i can guarantee you that not a lot of the people who decide pro bowlers are actually watching a lot of game tape

and we're talking about whether he's a game changer, not whether he's merely above average

I wasn't discounting PFF. It was 1 person interpreting PFF who called him average. Goldman has ranked well in PFF but the article in the link you provided was focusing mostly on the pass rush. Goldman's job on the line is stopping the run.

I agree with you that the people behind PFF are likely more knowledgeable than the Pro Bowl deciders but this isn't a case like the NBA where 60 year old Wade's and Dirks make the all star game off of fan votes. Eddie Goldman isn't a household name. He was selected because the coaches and players in the NFL who voted recognize the impact he has. That can't be brushed aside as nothing.

[dice]

I read it. That is one writer's opinion.

no, no it's not. PFF is the cream of the crop. they study EVERY. SINGLE. PLAY. nfl teams pay for their services

the professionals who pick decide who makes the Pro Bowl believe that he is at least above average.

i can guarantee you that not a lot of the people who decide pro bowlers are actually watching a lot of game tape

and we're talking about whether he's a game changer, not whether he's merely above average

I wasn't discounting PFF. It was 1 person interpreting PFF who called him average.

it was someone who WORKS for PFF and has access to all their analysis

Goldman has ranked well in PFF but the article in the link you provided was focusing mostly on the pass rush. Goldman's job on the line is stopping the run.

it was talking about his overall impact. if his job is stopping the run, then that's what the comment was focused on

I agree with you that the people behind PFF are likely more knowledgeable than the Pro Bowl deciders but this isn't a case like the NBA where 60 year old Wade's and Dirks make the all star game off of fan votes. Eddie Goldman isn't a household name. He was selected because the coaches and players in the NFL who voted recognize the impact he has. That can't be brushed aside as nothing.

it's also not a case where players and coaches are necessarily focusing on performance in the specific season at hand. and coaches/players are not necessarily entirely objective either (particularly the latter group)

i mean, he very obviously had a significantly better season the prior season and WASN'T so much as a pro bowl alternate. that alone should tell you that the selection process is skewed

[mack2354]

no, no it's not. PFF is the cream of the crop. they study EVERY. SINGLE. PLAY. nfl teams pay for their services


i can guarantee you that not a lot of the people who decide pro bowlers are actually watching a lot of game tape

and we're talking about whether he's a game changer, not whether he's merely above average

I wasn't discounting PFF. It was 1 person interpreting PFF who called him average.

it was someone who WORKS for PFF and has access to all their analysis

Goldman has ranked well in PFF but the article in the link you provided was focusing mostly on the pass rush. Goldman's job on the line is stopping the run.

it was talking about his overall impact. if his job is stopping the run, then that's what the comment was focused on

I agree with you that the people behind PFF are likely more knowledgeable than the Pro Bowl deciders but this isn't a case like the NBA where 60 year old Wade's and Dirks make the all star game off of fan votes. Eddie Goldman isn't a household name. He was selected because the coaches and players in the NFL who voted recognize the impact he has. That can't be brushed aside as nothing.

it's also not a case where players and coaches are necessarily focusing on performance in the specific season at hand. and coaches/players are not necessarily entirely objective either (particularly the latter group)

i mean, he very obviously had a significantly better season the prior season and WASN'T so much as a pro bowl alternate. that alone should tell you that the selection process is skewed

This has gotten a little derailed and this has been way too many posts for a player who didn't even play this season. The writer that wrote that blurb calling Goldman "average" works for PFF but he is still 1 person w/ an opinion interpreting the data. A comparison could be John Paxson working for the Bulls FO. That doesn't mean that he has the exact same opinion as Forman and the rest of the staff did. If you asked another writer/employee of PFF they may not have been as harsh as the writer in the article and would have used different verbiage then "average". Maybe the 1 person who wrote that paragraph had his girlfriend stolen by Goldman. Way too much stock is being put in the word choice by 1 person over other factors.

[fleet]

you can’t play the ‘so and so is hurt... otherwise’ game. Those are excuses. Especially this late in the season where no unit is without injuries. The Bears seem relatively healthy on the defense. They just simply aren’t playing to their normal standards and appear to be stale or worn out. If they cannot suck it up on Goldman, something else is wrong with the performance level of this defense with their current state of health and participation.

Besides, y’all aren’t playing that game as good as you could. Pace swapping out out Floyd for Quinn has turned into a poor decision. Floyd is actually productive this year on another team with as many sacks than Khalil Mack. The bottom line is, a defense that was good enough without Goldman earlier in the year now has been lacking.

[Chi town]

This. If Mitch closes the next two like he’s played the last 3 you have to bring back the band. If Pacer has another draft like this past one we could be really good next season.

I’d love to win out and sneak into the wildcard just to see what this offense could do in the playoffs.

https://dabearsblog.com/

[Chi town]

If Mitch plays like he has past few games to finish season what does he get paid?

[thedarkstark]

If Mitch plays like he has past few games to finish season what does he get paid?

1-2 years, $18-22 mill per year, about 2/3rds of it guaranteed is what i would expect the market to be

If its in that ballpark bears will need to make some cuts on defense to make it work.

[ATRAIN53]

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[thedarkstark]

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Meh, I've been one Trubiskys biggest supporters and had Nagy tailored to offense to fit Trubisky sooner like I and many others had been clamoring for Bears probably finish better than 8-8 last season. Even still this is a pretty meaningless stat, no one should be fooled into thinking he's on a Rodgers or a Watson-like trajectory.

The truth is that Mitch is much better than all the haters would've had you believe these past 2 seasons, but he's not likely to ever be a top 5 QB, he just doesn't read defenses well enough to make you believe he can be an efficient pocket passer. You can absolutely have success without being good in the pocket but your ceiling is severely limited. I've been saying it for about a year now but I expect Trubisky to have a career pretty similar to an Alex Smith, maybe 3-4 seasons down the line he starts to develop a pocket presence.

I'd like to see Trubisky back next season because he will be the best available option for 20201, I'd like to see Pace and Nagy gone, and I'd like our new GM to draft a developmental QB in one of the first 3 rounds if he feels like there's a guy who stands out.