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Re: 2020-2021. llege/Draft thread 1 

Post#1341 » by cgf » Sun Dec 20, 2020 9:29 pm

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SmoothLefty21 wrote:If we screw ourselves over once again and pick in the 8-10 range, give me James Bouknight. Dude's stock will continue to rise and is probably the sleeper of the draft right now. He reminds me of Jamal Murray but he's a better athlete. Insane body control and an explosive leaper. He had 40/5/2 with five triples against Creighton this afternoon.

He's another kid I like but not that high. Between the top 4 (Cade, Green, Mobley & Suggs); the elite wings (Kuminga / Ziaire / Boston) & the playmaking PFs (Barnes & Jalen Johnson); you've already got 9 prospects that Bouknight will have a tough time surpassing.

He's more in that late lotto mix with the Tennessee guards (Springer & Keon Johnson), Moody, Clarke, Christopher, Garuba, Brown, etc...and I think if anyone from that group solidifies themselves as top 10 picks in this class it'll be one of the UT guards because both have really interesting potential if their shooting comes along, or Moody as a plug-n-play 3&D guy.


Age makes things murky but I'm not sold on Boston or Ziare or Jalen Johnson over him yet but that's because I think Bouknight's playmaking potential is greater than many scouts think, though he is up to #10 in a few mocks. I know those players are the consensus choice over him right now but I need to see more. Bouk will probably end up going in the 11-15 range but teams make mistakes every year. I do really like Keon Johnson.


Fair enough. I love Ziaire...as this thread has probably made clear by now :lol:...so I have a tough time seeing him fall out of the top 10; the package of length, athleticism, shooting, intelligence & playmaking is just too high caliber to fall out of the top 10; even if Stanford keeps him in a secondary/tertiary ball-handler role all season.

Boston is a victim of the team around him...as he's not as ready to run an offense as some of his bigger fans were hoping he'd be...but has still shown off tools that it's hard for me to see no one in the top 10 being willing to gamble on, even if this Kentucky squad never gets their s*** together.

And even though I'm skeptical of JJ's ability to keep up with high caliber NBA wings on the perimeter & he needs to continue progressing with his jumper; I have a tough time seeing him not going top 10 as well...he just pushes so many buttons that teams typically love on draft night.

While Bouknight is the kind of prospect that seems to usually go lower than hindsight would say they should have because their star potential was under-estimated...a la Donovan Mitchell, which is kinda the path I'm expecting from him. Unlikely to be as good as Mitchell has turned out to be, but I can certainly see Bouknight going in the late lottery and having a good shot at ROY if he lands with his version of the Hayward-less Jazz.
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft thread 1 

Post#1342 » by robillionaire » Sun Dec 20, 2020 11:34 pm

looks like cade got outplayed by greg brown keep an eye on him and I still have suggs 1st
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft thread 1 

Post#1343 » by cgf » Sun Dec 20, 2020 11:53 pm

robillionaire wrote:looks like cade got outplayed by greg brown keep an eye on him and I still have suggs 1st


Greg Brown must've been licking his lips when he saw what Jerami Grant got. He's another kid in that late lotto mix who looks like he'll help some team for a long time; even if I think he's a terrible fit for us.

I love both but Suggs feels like the kind of great guard prospect that's in more drafts than not, whereas I see Cade as the kind of talent who only comes around every couple of years. He's a Luka / Zion / AD caliber prospect to me -- even if I'd probably have all 3 ahead of him right now -- and I'm just not quite that high on Suggs; who feels like the Trae Young to Cade's Luka, to me. Though where I'd take Luka over Cade, I'm on board with Suggs over Trae.


It's awesome to be seeing him getting to show off so much of his game...unlike BJ Boston, whose evaluation is complicated by the s*** that UK has been while the figured out how to coach themselves; or Cade who looks like the only kid on his team who played varsity ball in HS...but Gonzaga is such a great fit for Suggs that it does make me wonder how he would do in a more adverse environment; like the knicks starting lineup :lol:

And after watching Cade play for that OK state team, that's not something I have any questions about with him :lol:
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft thread 1 

Post#1344 » by robillionaire » Mon Dec 21, 2020 12:33 am

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robillionaire wrote:looks like cade got outplayed by greg brown keep an eye on him and I still have suggs 1st


Greg Brown must've been licking his lips when he saw what Jerami Grant got. He's another kid in that late lotto mix who looks like he'll help some team for a long time; even if I think he's a terrible fit for us.

I love both but Suggs feels like the kind of great guard prospect that's in more drafts than not, whereas I see Cade as the kind of talent who only comes around every couple of years. He's a Luka / Zion / AD caliber prospect to me -- even if I'd probably have all 3 ahead of him right now -- and I'm just not quite that high on Suggs; who feels like the Trae Young to Cade's Luka, to me. Though where I'd take Luka over Cade, I'm on board with Suggs over Trae.


It's awesome to be seeing him getting to show off so much of his game...unlike BJ Boston, whose evaluation is complicated by the s*** that UK has been while the figured out how to coach themselves; or Cade who looks like the only kid on his team who played varsity ball in HS...but Gonzaga is such a great fit for Suggs that it does make me wonder how he would do in a more adverse environment; like the knicks starting lineup :lol:

And after watching Cade play for that OK state team, that's not something I have any questions about with him :lol:


I don't have him anywhere near luka because I have yet to see the playmaking ability from him that makes luka good. In fact after today he has 29 assists and 29 turnovers. That's not indicative to me of someone who has let's call it "the vision"

funny enough I see tankathon just edited their big board and suggs is now #1. game on I guess http://www.tankathon.com/big_board

that said I'm biased because my favorite players all time are the great passers and playmakers, i could always see that in luka
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft thread 1 

Post#1345 » by cgf » Mon Dec 21, 2020 12:48 am

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robillionaire wrote:looks like cade got outplayed by greg brown keep an eye on him and I still have suggs 1st


Greg Brown must've been licking his lips when he saw what Jerami Grant got. He's another kid in that late lotto mix who looks like he'll help some team for a long time; even if I think he's a terrible fit for us.

I love both but Suggs feels like the kind of great guard prospect that's in more drafts than not, whereas I see Cade as the kind of talent who only comes around every couple of years. He's a Luka / Zion / AD caliber prospect to me -- even if I'd probably have all 3 ahead of him right now -- and I'm just not quite that high on Suggs; who feels like the Trae Young to Cade's Luka, to me. Though where I'd take Luka over Cade, I'm on board with Suggs over Trae.


It's awesome to be seeing him getting to show off so much of his game...unlike BJ Boston, whose evaluation is complicated by the s*** that UK has been while the figured out how to coach themselves; or Cade who looks like the only kid on his team who played varsity ball in HS...but Gonzaga is such a great fit for Suggs that it does make me wonder how he would do in a more adverse environment; like the knicks starting lineup :lol:

And after watching Cade play for that OK state team, that's not something I have any questions about with him :lol:


I don't have him anywhere near luka because I have yet to see the playmaking ability from him that makes luka good. In fact after today he has 29 assists and 29 turnovers. That's not indicative to me of someone who has let's call it "the gift"

funny enough I see tankathon just edited their big board and suggs is now #1. game on I guess http://www.tankathon.com/big_board


I know it's lazy to just point to the good looks a prospect creates for his team-mates that they go on to brick, but that's exactly what's happening with Cade at OK state and why he's had to take on way more of a scoring role than he should have in the NBA. We saw with RJ last season just how hard it is to create when none of your team-mates can shoot, and our shooting last year was miles ahead of what Cade's team-mates are giving him. But I get it, it's why I said that Cade went too far in the other direction and put himself in too adverse a situation to the point where it's limiting his ability to show off all of his game.

As for Cade v Luka, I actually think their vision/creativity/passing aren't that far apart, but what pushes Luka ahead for me is his deep shooting off the dribble. Luka shoots from deep a lot and takes advantage of the way that warps a defense with his playmaking. If Cade can't be an effective high-volume 3point shooter in the NBA; he won't get nearly as big of gaps to take advantage of with his playmaking as Luka does. On the plus side he has a good stroke and is getting plenty of practice having to shoot off the dribble this season :lol:
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft thread 1 

Post#1346 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Mon Dec 21, 2020 2:04 am

As good as Suggs is, what's up with his freethrow shooting? He's at 61% from the line.
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft thread 1 

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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft thread 1 

Post#1349 » by robillionaire » Mon Dec 21, 2020 3:47 pm

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really impressive highlights, gonna have to do my homework on this guy
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft thread 1 

Post#1350 » by dukeknicksirish » Mon Dec 21, 2020 3:53 pm

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really impressive highlights, gonna have to do my homework on this guy


I have watched a few games on him. Throughout the 4 games played he has only recorded 1.5 assists per game. He is definitely a shooting guard, not a point guard. His height listed at 6'5 is about ideal for the SG position and he has a boost of athleticism that screams out NBA ready.

Here is a link of a scouting report done on him:

https://zonahoops.com/2020/07/17/james-bouknight-scouting-report/
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft thread 1 

Post#1351 » by RHODEY » Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:56 pm

dukeknicksirish wrote:
robillionaire wrote:
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really impressive highlights, gonna have to do my homework on this guy


I have watched a few games on him. Throughout the 4 games played he has only recorded 1.5 assists per game. He is definitely a shooting guard, not a point guard. His height listed at 6'5 is about ideal for the SG position and he has a boost of athleticism that screams out NBA ready.

Here is a link of a scouting report done on him:

https://zonahoops.com/2020/07/17/james-bouknight-scouting-report/


Just watching those highlights kinda reminds me of Zach LaVine.
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft thread 1 

Post#1352 » by robillionaire » Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:59 pm

dukeknicksirish wrote:
robillionaire wrote:
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really impressive highlights, gonna have to do my homework on this guy


I have watched a few games on him. Throughout the 4 games played he has only recorded 1.5 assists per game. He is definitely a shooting guard, not a point guard. His height listed at 6'5 is about ideal for the SG position and he has a boost of athleticism that screams out NBA ready.

Here is a link of a scouting report done on him:

https://zonahoops.com/2020/07/17/james-bouknight-scouting-report/


sounds good, yeah was pegging him as a SG. If IQ actually works out as a PG for us putting a great SG next to him would give us a great 1-2 punch
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft thread 1 

Post#1353 » by cgf » Mon Dec 21, 2020 5:00 pm

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really impressive highlights, gonna have to do my homework on this guy


I have watched a few games on him. Throughout the 4 games played he has only recorded 1.5 assists per game. He is definitely a shooting guard, not a point guard. His height listed at 6'5 is about ideal for the SG position and he has a boost of athleticism that screams out NBA ready.

Here is a link of a scouting report done on him:

https://zonahoops.com/2020/07/17/james-bouknight-scouting-report/


Just watching those highlights kinda reminds me of Zach LaVine.


It'll be interesting where on the spectrum between LaVine & Mitchell he lands.
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft thread 1 

Post#1354 » by HerSports85 » Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:01 pm

Suggs is making it hard to keep Cade as the undoubtably #1 pick.

Also I’m glad that the FO sees RJ as a SF. We can easily get our ideal pg or sg this draft.
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Post#1355 » by Juco24 » Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:31 pm

HerSports85 wrote:Suggs is making it hard to keep Cade as the undoubtably #1 pick.

Also I’m glad that the FO sees RJ as a SF. We can easily get our ideal pg or sg this draft.


Agreed... I think we need to go best available- which in all likelihood will be a guard
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft thread 1 

Post#1356 » by cgf » Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:10 pm

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HerSports85 wrote:Suggs is making it hard to keep Cade as the undoubtably #1 pick.

Also I’m glad that the FO sees RJ as a SF. We can easily get our ideal pg or sg this draft.


Agreed... I think we need to go best available- which in all likelihood will be a guard


I dunno about that. If the Lotto gods hook us up with Suggs (or Cade if you wanna call Cade a guard), then sure. But if the lotto gods don't give us a top 4 pick a guard is unlikely to be the BPA...as I'm taking Kuminga / Ziaire / Boston over any other guard at this point.

Some guard will undoubtedly rise into the top 10 mix by draft time...Keon Johnson being the kid I'm most intrigued by if he shows enough progress as a shooter...but if after the top 4, it could be a bit until we see the next guard picked.
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft thread 1 

Post#1357 » by RHODEY » Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:28 pm

All the Suggs and Cade talk I love it ...but something in the back of my head tells me Jalen Green may be the next Franchise level SG...like maybe Wade level ...
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft thread 1 

Post#1358 » by cgf » Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:35 pm

RHODEY wrote:All the Suggs and Cade talk I love it ...but something in the back of my head tells me Jalen Green may be the next Franchise level SG...like maybe Wade level ...


This class has a top 4...or top 5 depending on how Kuminga progresses...though I still have Cade as the 1a to Green/Suggs/Mobley's 1b; each can make an amazing case for themselves.

Luckily I love the wings in that next tier -- even if Kuminga establishes him as tier 1b guy too -- so I won't be THAT disappointed if we get jumped on lotto night :lol:
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft thread 1 

Post#1359 » by RHODEY » Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:44 pm

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RHODEY wrote:All the Suggs and Cade talk I love it ...but something in the back of my head tells me Jalen Green may be the next Franchise level SG...like maybe Wade level ...


This class has a top 4...or top 5 depending on how Kuminga progresses...though I still have Cade as the 1a to Green/Suggs/Mobley's 1b; each can make an amazing case for themselves.

Luckily I love the wings in that next tier -- even if Kuminga establishes him as tier 1b guy too -- so I won't be THAT disappointed if we get jumped on lotto night :lol:


Right but ...1-4 in this draft and you are gonna be ecstatic.5-9 and you'll be as happy as if we were 1-3 in this last draft.
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft thread 1 

Post#1360 » by cgf » Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:49 pm

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RHODEY wrote:All the Suggs and Cade talk I love it ...but something in the back of my head tells me Jalen Green may be the next Franchise level SG...like maybe Wade level ...


This class has a top 4...or top 5 depending on how Kuminga progresses...though I still have Cade as the 1a to Green/Suggs/Mobley's 1b; each can make an amazing case for themselves.

Luckily I love the wings in that next tier -- even if Kuminga establishes him as tier 1b guy too -- so I won't be THAT disappointed if we get jumped on lotto night :lol:


Right but ...1-4 in this draft and you are gonna be ecstatic.5-9 and you'll be as happy as if we were 1-3 in this last draft.


Oh no question which tier I'd rather be picking from, just saying that this draft should make us happy no matter what.
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