Lauri:' I can make the comeback'

Chi town · Post #801 » by **Chi town** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:45 pm

TheSuzerain wrote:Kennard has genuine upside. He has a higher ceiling than Lauri.

Last years Lauri. Not 3rd preseason game Lauri. If Lauri is used like that he’s 20M per

nomorezorro · Post #802 » by **nomorezorro** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:49 pm

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probably for the best. not gonna sweat it if lauri earns a payday this season

FriedRise · Post #803 » by **FriedRise** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:49 pm

Oh ****, time to panic. 4/85!

sco · Post #804 » by **sco** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:49 pm

Chi town wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:Kennard has genuine upside. He has a higher ceiling than Lauri.

Last years Lauri. Not 3rd preseason game Lauri. If Lauri is used like that he’s 20M per

Kennard definitely benefitted from Detroit's complete lack of players last season and shooting 40% from 3...If Lauri shot 40% from 3, he'd a gotten $20M.

TheHrvReport · Post #805 » by **TheHrvReport** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:50 pm

I expect Lauri to get 4 years/72 million if a deal is made. I think i'd rather overpay for him now as opposed to overpay next offseason/letting him walk for nothing.

FriedRise · Post #806 » by **FriedRise** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:50 pm

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That’s too bad.

nomorezorro · Post #807 » by **nomorezorro** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:51 pm

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reasonable deals are possible

cjbulls · Post #808 » by **cjbulls** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:51 pm

This isn’t going to end well.

the ultimates · Post #809 » by **the ultimates** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:51 pm

Lauri's upside vs Kennard being a 39-40% three-point shooter. I know which one I'd pay and it's the player with actual production.

nomorezorro · Post #810 » by **nomorezorro** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:55 pm

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hey...starting to think the front office might not have been entirely forthright when they talked about how much they valued lauri and wanted him here long term...

cjbulls · Post #811 » by **cjbulls** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:02 pm

Stealing Pax for Prez FA list. You’re going to have 12 teams (I think?) with $20 million or more in cap space

2021 Free Agents
wing K. Oubre - 26 -
wing V. Oladipo - 29 -
wing E. Fourner - 29
PG D. Schruder - 28
C H. Giles - 24

PO - Free Agents
PG S. Dinwiddie - 28

Older Free Agents
wing D. DeRozan -32
PG K. Lowry - 35
PG D. Rose - 33
PG L. Williams - 35
PG M. Conley - 34
C L. Aldridge - 36
C A. Drummond - 28

REST. Free Agents
PG L. Ball - 24
PG D. Graham - 26
PG K. Nunn - 26
PF J. Collins - 24
C J. Allen - 23
SG G. Trent - 23
C Z. Collins - 24
SF S. Mykhailiuk - 24

Cap space teams
Chicago
New York
Toronto
Miami
San Antonio
Cleveland
Charlotte
Dallas
OKC
Detroit
Sacramento
New Orleans

TheSuzerain · Post #812 » by **TheSuzerain** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:12 pm

Chi town wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:Kennard has genuine upside. He has a higher ceiling than Lauri.

Last years Lauri. Not 3rd preseason game Lauri. If Lauri is used like that he’s 20M per

Nah. Kennard far better passer. More efficient scorer. Easier to hide on defense.

Lauri doesn't have the talent to be some aggressive top option. He'll get his lunch eaten by capable NBA defenders. We were playing the Thunder and he couldn't even play well in that style.

sco · Post #813 » by **sco** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:12 pm

cjbulls wrote:Stealing Pax for Prez FA list. You’re going to have 12 teams (I think?) with $20 million or more in cap space

2021 Free Agents
wing K. Oubre - 26 -
wing V. Oladipo - 29 -
wing E. Fourner - 29
PG D. Schruder - 28
C H. Giles - 24

PO - Free Agents
PG S. Dinwiddie - 28

Older Free Agents
wing D. DeRozan -32
PG K. Lowry - 35
PG D. Rose - 33
PG L. Williams - 35
PG M. Conley - 34
C L. Aldridge - 36
C A. Drummond - 28

REST. Free Agents
PG L. Ball - 24
PG D. Graham - 26
PG K. Nunn - 26
PG D. White - 27
PF J. Collins - 24
C J. Allen - 23
SG G. Trent - 23
C Z. Collins - 24
SF S. Mykhailiuk - 24

Cap space teams
Chicago
New York
Toronto
Miami
San Antonio
Cleveland
Charlotte
Dallas
OKC
Detroit
Sacramento
New Orleans

Yeah, but most of those teams are looking to use their cap space for a MAX, high impact player (or two), not middling starters. Today's NBA is about MAX's, MLE's and VET MIN's. Playoff teams with a line-up hole are the only ones chasing those guys.

TheSuzerain · Post #814 » by **TheSuzerain** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:13 pm

Good job by AK to not sign Lauri.

Now we juice his value and trade him.

cjbulls · Post #815 » by **cjbulls** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:23 pm

sco wrote:
cjbulls wrote:Stealing Pax for Prez FA list. You’re going to have 12 teams (I think?) with $20 million or more in cap space

2021 Free Agents
wing K. Oubre - 26 -
wing V. Oladipo - 29 -
wing E. Fourner - 29
PG D. Schruder - 28
C H. Giles - 24

PO - Free Agents
PG S. Dinwiddie - 28

Older Free Agents
wing D. DeRozan -32
PG K. Lowry - 35
PG D. Rose - 33
PG L. Williams - 35
PG M. Conley - 34
C L. Aldridge - 36
C A. Drummond - 28

REST. Free Agents
PG L. Ball - 24
PG D. Graham - 26
PG K. Nunn - 26
PG D. White - 27
PF J. Collins - 24
C J. Allen - 23
SG G. Trent - 23
C Z. Collins - 24
SF S. Mykhailiuk - 24

Cap space teams
Chicago
New York
Toronto
Miami
San Antonio
Cleveland
Charlotte
Dallas
OKC
Detroit
Sacramento
New Orleans

Yeah, but most of those teams are looking to use their cap space for a MAX, high impact player (or two), not middling starters. Today's NBA is about MAX's, MLE's and VET MIN's. Playoff teams with a line-up hole are the only ones chasing those guys.

I’m not following you here? Those are the guys available. The money has to be spent so it doesn’t matter what the teams want to sign.

Stratmaster · Post #816 » by **Stratmaster** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:33 pm

ZOMG wrote:
cjbulls wrote:The only person I’ve seen analyze this RFA class is Hollinger (former Grizzlies exec and stats-based analyst). His numbers-based analysis pegged Lauri’s value at 18.1, which is interesting to me only because I would think numbers wouldn’t favor him.

Lauri Markkanen, Chicago — $18,177,306

I still think Markkanen is a better player than we saw from him last season, although the injury situation is getting a bit concerning. Nonetheless, this price feels eminently fair. On a four-year deal it would pay Markkanen just north of $80 million. He’s young enough to provide some upside that he’ll outrun this contract, and the downside seems limited by the fact that stretch bigs aren’t going out of style any time soon.

Also, note that the Bulls’ cap sheet is clean enough that they should almost certainly do a declining money deal with Markkanen, paying him a big 2021-22 salary but with 8 percent year-to-year decreases.

https://theathletic.com/2194510/2020/11/13/contract-extensions-what-bam-tatum-fox-and-rest-of-class-of-2017-are-worth/?amp

Anti-Lauri brigade reaction:

If he pays well this season and they end up matching an offer of 18.1 year one with 8% decreases the next 3 seasons, I am great with that. First he has to play well.

No one is anti-Lauri; at least I am not. But he hasn't done anything to earn 18 mil a year yet.

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cjbulls · Post #817 » by **cjbulls** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:35 pm

Stratmaster wrote:
ZOMG wrote:
cjbulls wrote:The only person I’ve seen analyze this RFA class is Hollinger (former Grizzlies exec and stats-based analyst). His numbers-based analysis pegged Lauri’s value at 18.1, which is interesting to me only because I would think numbers wouldn’t favor him.

https://theathletic.com/2194510/2020/11/13/contract-extensions-what-bam-tatum-fox-and-rest-of-class-of-2017-are-worth/?amp

Anti-Lauri brigade reaction:

If he pays well this season and they end up matching an offer of 18.1 year one with 8% decreases the next 3 seasons, I am great with that. First he has to play well.

No one is anti-Lauri; at least I am not. But he hasn't done anything to earn 18 mil a year yet.

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Did Fultz? Isaac? Kennard?

A contract is about what you will produce, not what you have produced.

The 18.1 assumed a rising contract. It would start around 22 for a declining one that equals 4/80

Stratmaster · Post #818 » by **Stratmaster** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:37 pm

ZOMG wrote:
Stratmaster wrote:
ZOMG wrote:
Did you watch the final PS game?

I did. I also watched the other 170 regular season games he played. Surely you aren't saying we should base the extension decision on 1 pre-season game?

No. But rookie extensions are always about potential too. It is a fact that last season, Lauri was used in a way that made him look extremely one-dimensional (AND he was injured... AND just had a bad year).

This season is going to be different. If Billy sticks to his guns and allows Markkanen to play like he did in the final PS game, he's gonna shine and this whole discussion and hand-wringing is going to seem insane in hindsight.

But make no mistake, he's going to need the ball and the shots and an offense that makes sense. That's not too much to ask, that's professional basketball.

I am sorry. There is no way to debate biased excuses claiming everyone is conspiring to keep Lauri out of the offense.

I mean, every coach takes a great player and does what they can to hamper his, and by extension their own, success.

Every coach purposely dies things to cause their own failure, right?

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Stratmaster · Post #819 » by **Stratmaster** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:41 pm

cjbulls wrote:
Stratmaster wrote:
ZOMG wrote:
Anti-Lauri brigade reaction:

If he pays well this season and they end up matching an offer of 18.1 year one with 8% decreases the next 3 seasons, I am great with that. First he has to play well.

No one is anti-Lauri; at least I am not. But he hasn't done anything to earn 18 mil a year yet.

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Did Fultz? Isaac? Kennard?

A contract is about what you will produce, not what you have produced.

The 18.1 assumed a rising contract. It would start around 22 for a declining one that equals 4/80

My contract didn't. And no, you generally get paid for what you have done, with the expectation you will keep doing it. If it was your way, Lavine would be getting the max.

Both of the quoted expert assessments on here talk about "still believing he is better" than he has played. That's ok for analysts. Horrible approach for a GM.

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cjbulls · Post #820 » by **cjbulls** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:48 pm

Stratmaster wrote:
cjbulls wrote:
Stratmaster wrote:If he pays well this season and they end up matching an offer of 18.1 year one with 8% decreases the next 3 seasons, I am great with that. First he has to play well.

No one is anti-Lauri; at least I am not. But he hasn't done anything to earn 18 mil a year yet.

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Did Fultz? Isaac? Kennard?

A contract is about what you will produce, not what you have produced.

The 18.1 assumed a rising contract. It would start around 22 for a declining one that equals 4/80
My contract didn't. And no, you generally get paid for what you have done, with the expectation you will keep doing it. If it was your way, Lavine would be getting the max.

Both of the quoted expert assessments on here talk about "still believing he is better" than he has played. That's ok for analysts. Horrible approach for a GM.

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So the Bulls should bring back MJ to a max, right? Pip too!

None of the contracts signed today were based on the guy maintaining what he has done.

Lauri extension?