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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#601 » by JMAC3 » Mon Dec 21, 2020 3:44 am

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JMAC3 wrote:...Also Clippers lost because Kawhi and PG couldnt hit a shot

Imagine if, when their shots are off, they could pass the ball to a dominate big inside who could get the team easy points when the wings are drying up and taking much more difficult, longer and lower percentage shots?!?!


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How many bigs fit this description? Can you afford to pay them along with Kawhi and PG?

Sure in a fantasy world give me Embiid, PG, Kawhi, Booker and Morant all on the same team, but you have to pick your poison.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#602 » by luciano-davidwesley » Mon Dec 21, 2020 6:41 am

BigSlam wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:...Also Clippers lost because Kawhi and PG couldnt hit a shot

Imagine if, when their shots are off, they could pass the ball to a dominate big inside who could get the team easy points when the wings are drying up and taking much more difficult, longer and lower percentage shots?!?!


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Nah centers are dead.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#603 » by MasterIchiro » Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:07 pm

Today is the extension deadline and I'll be watching Lauri Markannen and Jarrett Allen. Both will be looking to cash in big on a free agent class that just got much weaker with Gobert extending, Hayward opting out one year early, among other things (Bam, AD).

The Bulls and Nets might not want to pay market price to match big offers for their restricted free agents. Allen's looking at the Gobert contract of 41 million and probably thinking 20-25. Lauri's looking at Bertans getting 5 and 80 as a stretch 4 who can't defend. His cap hold would be 20 million If the Bulls give him an offer sheet.

As we all know, Hornets need a center and have needed rebounding, rim protection and finishing from the 5 in the worst way. The PJ small ball center expirement doesn't look at all promising. Meanwhile Miles looks like he could break out and McDaniels seems he can provide reliable depth at the 4.

The Nets want Harden with Kyrie and KD. They need value from Allen because he's a key piece in any proposal for Harden. But the Rockets have little use for Allen given the arrival of Christian Wood and the presence of Cousins. But they may like Markannen, giving them front court spacing for Wall and presumably Dinwiddie + Levert. Their 5 could be Wall - Dinwiddie - Levert - Markannen - Wood. They're much deeper, younger and still competitive after hitting their ceiling with Harden + Westbrook.

So here's my proposal.

https://tradenba.com/trades/SJX8z4lAR

Hornets

Jarrett Allen

Bulls

PJ Washington
Taurean Prince

Nets

Lauri Markannen
Christiano Felicio

Hornets new starting 5 becomes Graham - Rozier - Hayward - Bridges - Allen. The bench becomes LaMelo - Monk - Cody Martin - McDaniels - Zeller

Note: PJ and Allen are the same age. So when Zeller and Biz expire, Hornets remain the youngest team in the NBA and in fact get younger. This is a young playoff team. With Allen, we have an answer to our immediate competition such as Pacers (Sabonis) + Hawks (Capela) + Magic (Vuc).
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#604 » by Bence » Mon Dec 21, 2020 7:13 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:https://tradenba.com/trades/SJX8z4lAR

Hornets

Jarrett Allen

Bulls

PJ Washington
Taurean Prince

Nets

Lauri Markannen
Christiano Felicio

Hornets new starting 5 becomes Graham - Rozier - Hayward - Bridges - Allen. The bench becomes LaMelo - Monk - Cody Martin - McDaniels - Zeller

Note: PJ and Allen are the same age. So when Zeller and Biz expire, Hornets remain the youngest team in the NBA and in fact get younger. This is a young playoff team. With Allen, we have an answer to our immediate competition such as Pacers (Sabonis) + Hawks (Capela) + Magic (Vuc).



While I like Allen (very much so) and PJ would be a fair counterpart in a trade I am reeeally nervous about the Hornets trading for someone in his contract year. Too much TT and Batum vibe. Other than that I like the trade.

Realisticly Myles Turner is still the best target for us. Zeller (hometown boy, could be resigned at a discount price), Monk, maybe a protected future (at least 2023) first could be interesting for the Pacers I believe.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#605 » by MasterIchiro » Mon Dec 21, 2020 7:45 pm

Bence wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:https://tradenba.com/trades/SJX8z4lAR

Hornets

Jarrett Allen

Bulls

PJ Washington
Taurean Prince

Nets

Lauri Markannen
Christiano Felicio

Hornets new starting 5 becomes Graham - Rozier - Hayward - Bridges - Allen. The bench becomes LaMelo - Monk - Cody Martin - McDaniels - Zeller

Note: PJ and Allen are the same age. So when Zeller and Biz expire, Hornets remain the youngest team in the NBA and in fact get younger. This is a young playoff team. With Allen, we have an answer to our immediate competition such as Pacers (Sabonis) + Hawks (Capela) + Magic (Vuc).



While I like Allen (very much so) and PJ would be a fair counterpart in a trade I am reeeally nervous about the Hornets trading for someone in his contract year. Too much TT and Batum vibe. Other than that I like the trade.

Realisticly Myles Turner is still the best target for us. Zeller (hometown boy, could be resigned at a discount price), Monk, maybe a protected future (at least 2023) first could be interesting for the Pacers I believe.



I lean Allen over Turner because Allen is an elite rebounder while Turner is below average and doesn't provide an upgrade over Zeller. I do like that Turner can space but we may have to contend with Embiid and Bam in the playoffs (not to mention Giannis feasting in the paint), making Allen the best option for advancement.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#606 » by MasterIchiro » Mon Dec 21, 2020 7:58 pm

Not sure it matters but Nets with Harden + KD + Kyrie shouldn't need to spend 20-25 million on their center plus 10 million for there backup (DeAndre Jordan) when the Lakers with LeBron + AD got Harrell with the MLE. So Allen is there for the taking if Nets want to go with the Lakers' championship blueprint.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#607 » by fatlever » Mon Dec 21, 2020 9:17 pm

pj & zeller for myles turner?
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#608 » by MasterIchiro » Mon Dec 21, 2020 9:25 pm

fatlever wrote:pj & zeller for myles turner?


Yes. Either Turner or Allen. I'm definitely ready to leverage our stretch 4 surplus by promoting Miles and dealing PJ to help solve center. It helps that McDaniels showed flashes of being a reliable contributor from the bench at the 4. He seems athletic enough to play at a faster pace. He will need to add more bulk but he already gained 20 lbs this off-season.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#609 » by GiggitySmalls » Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:14 pm

John Collins and atl couldn't reach a extension. Pj for Collins. I say yes. He played at wake forest idk if that could be a factor. Plus going from trae to Melo/Graham/rozier isn't hard with hayward and bridges on deck. Maybe include monk in the deal. Why not?+
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#610 » by HornetJail » Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:15 pm

MugzZo wrote:John Collins and atl couldn't reach a extension. Pj for Collins. I say yes. He played at wake forest idk if that could be a factor. Plus going from trae to Melo/Graham/rozier isn't hard with hayward and bridges on deck. Maybe include monk in the deal. Why not?+

We could attach our 1st and that still would not be enough
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#611 » by DY_nasty » Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:48 am

a few bad preseason games is all it takes to go from "we don't need a center, PJ can hold it down" to "trade pj immediately"

geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez you guys are a trip lmao
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#612 » by Diop » Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:53 am

Not trading pj for nothing, both turner and Allen have value. Collins even more so . Trading valued pieces that fit better
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#613 » by DY_nasty » Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:02 am

Diop wrote:Not trading pj for nothing, both turner and Allen have value. Collins even more so . Trading valued pieces that fit better
it ain't even about that really. its keeping the same energy

you can't say you want better interior defense and decision-making then talk up collins of all people... hell, if anything guys need to be looking at ways to put PJ next to a player like Turner.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#614 » by Bassman » Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:21 am

DY_nasty wrote:a few bad preseason games is all it takes to go from "we don't need a center, PJ can hold it down" to "trade pj immediately"

geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez you guys are a trip lmao


I was never happy with PJ playing the 5. Even in this contemporary league he is too small there. I do think he will return to decent form, but I’d certainly swap him for a greater need and quality asset.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#615 » by Diop » Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:46 am

fatlever wrote:pj & zeller for myles turner?

I think they would prefer miles over PJ as he fits better next to Warren. Miles can defend the 3 or 4.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#616 » by MasterIchiro » Tue Dec 22, 2020 4:13 am

Diop wrote:Not trading pj for nothing, both turner and Allen have value. Collins even more so . Trading valued pieces that fit better


Exactly. Let's just ignore that Allen is a monster on the boards, protects the rim and runs the floor.
The dude plays above the rim as well, another lob threat for LaMelo, you know, the cornerstone of our rebuild.

PJ's outside shooting is replaced by guess who? Our stretch 4 Miles Bridges!

Seems there's some push back going on by those who wanted to bury Bridges and sell him off for a late first round pick in a **** draft. The Bridges bashing has been put on hold.

This doesn't fit their narrative.

So I guess we want to dump PJ on the side of the road all of a sudden.

Oh my!

Allen didn't reach an agreement. Neither did Markannen. Supposedly Allen wants Capela money 5 years 90 million. If you think about it it's only 3 million per season more than we're paying Zeller.

And damn, he's the same age as PJ!

Turner makes 17.5 so he's right around the same price, can protect the rim and shoot threes. I kind of want the better defender though so we can neutralize players in the paint like Giannis, Embiid, Vuc and Capela, while competing for rebounds. We can't do that with Turner. And I believe we have more than enough three point shooting. Devonte' - Rozier - Hayward are all excellent and Miles is decent with room for improvement. Ball, Monk, Martins and McDaniels can all potentially establish their outside shooting.

I'd consider PJ for Turner though.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#617 » by SWedd523 » Tue Dec 22, 2020 8:07 am

I was told bigs could be had for peanuts

We calling PJ Peanuts?
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#618 » by DY_nasty » Tue Dec 22, 2020 8:11 am

SWedd523 wrote:I was told bigs could be had for peanuts

We calling PJ Peanuts?

jeff adrien isn't walking through that door
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#619 » by SWedd523 » Tue Dec 22, 2020 8:22 am

DY_nasty wrote:
SWedd523 wrote:I was told bigs could be had for peanuts

We calling PJ Peanuts?

jeff adrien isn't walking through that door

What do you think DJ White is up to these days?
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#620 » by JMAC3 » Tue Dec 22, 2020 2:47 pm

PJ literally fits modern NBA perfectly. Great catch and shoot, long for his position, can score in post vs smaller switches, has a little ball handling and passing (raw)....

Everyone take a chill pill for a month

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