Nuggets Trades

[NuggetsWY]

I've puzzled over this. I'm terrible at coming up with trades and good at giving reasons why they won't work. But I agree with much of what was posted today. I like the Anderson idea better than Tucker but not by much. Making something like that work would be nice --- acquiring a wing that could legitimately be expected to play 20+ mpg.

Yup, I like the Anderson option. Barton would fit nicely in their rotation IMO.

[skywalker33]

I like Anderson but not sure he'd be my first choice, I really don't see him as a $9.5M player myself, especially for 3 more years. Therein though lies part of the issue of trading Barton....his salary. I see us having to include his as part of a bigger trade to get value back. And really, we don't need a BIG NAME, but we do need a player worthy of that type of salary that will play TEAM basketball.

My immediate idea is that we could get a lightly protected pick and maybe a 2nd or something for swapping Barton for Anderson, also Anderson's deal expires after 21-22 so he would be expired when we need to pay MPJ.

You know I appreciate 98% of your trades, they all make sense for the Nuggets (maybe not so all for the other teams, but who cares ). Here's one I came up with (not my forte' really) but how about Julius Randle + 2021 swap of 1sts for Barton and Green. Randle's $20M salary only guaranteed for $4M so we can use it to pay MPJ in 22-23 season, get a PF in the 2021 draft like Roko Prkacin, Greg Brown or Amar Sylla, perhaps even Usman Garuba could be had. We'll need a replacement for Millsap next season, I'd suggest giving Zeke some PT there and then draft one of those good PF's. Randle is a decent (albeit selfish) scorer off the bench, can rebound, although not sure about his D (not a Knicks fan, don't watch, don't care). But they get an NYK-type ego in Barton, another scorer to help RJ and Toppin, give Toppin mins while Greene can provide mins to support Toppin while he gets acclimated.

[THE J0KER]

Barton for Kyle Anderson is a good trade idea, Denver lacks defensive specialists since the exit of Grant, Plumlee, and Craig.

An alternate is a 3-team deal:
Bucks - Kyle Anderson
Grizzlies - Will Barton
Nuggets - Donte DiVincenzo, Grayson Allen, D.J. Wilson

DiVincenzo ceiling is a better two-way player than Barton, while Grayson Allen is an interesting young prospect. Cap filler D.J. Wilson would be waived.

[The Rebel]

I like Anderson but not sure he'd be my first choice, I really don't see him as a $9.5M player myself, especially for 3 more years. Therein though lies part of the issue of trading Barton....his salary. I see us having to include his as part of a bigger trade to get value back. And really, we don't need a BIG NAME, but we do need a player worthy of that type of salary that will play TEAM basketball.

My immediate idea is that we could get a lightly protected pick and maybe a 2nd or something for swapping Barton for Anderson, also Anderson's deal expires after 21-22 so he would be expired when we need to pay MPJ.

You know I appreciate 98% of your trades, they all make sense for the Nuggets (maybe not so all for the other teams, but who cares ). Here's one I came up with (not my forte' really) but how about Julius Randle + 2021 swap of 1sts for Barton and Green. Randle's $20M salary only guaranteed for $4M so we can use it to pay MPJ in 22-23 season, get a PF in the 2021 draft like Roko Prkacin, Greg Brown or Amar Sylla, perhaps even Usman Garuba could be had. We'll need a replacement for Millsap next season, I'd suggest giving Zeke some PT there and then draft one of those good PF's. Randle is a decent (albeit selfish) scorer off the bench, can rebound, although not sure about his D (not a Knicks fan, don't watch, don't care). But they get an NYK-type ego in Barton, another scorer to help RJ and Toppin, give Toppin mins while Greene can provide mins to support Toppin while he gets acclimated.

I have to say I do not like Randle, I don't know why I just never have liked him. I think I would prefer a bigger defense SF or combo forward over another true PF/C type.

I also don't think the Knicks will trade their pick next year unless they get a star. They are still convinced that they are going to get the next big star that wants a trade.

[The Rebel]

Barton for Kyle Anderson is a good trade idea, Denver lacks defensive specialists since the exit of Grant, Plumlee, and Craig.

An alternate is a 3-team deal:
Bucks - Kyle Anderson
Grizzlies - Will Barton
Nuggets - Donte DiVincenzo, Grayson Allen, D.J. Wilson

DiVincenzo ceiling is a better two-way player than Barton, while Grayson Allen is an interesting young prospect. Cap filler D.J. Wilson would be waived.

I wouldn't do it, but am interested in why you would?

Who do you cut to make the deal happen, under rules you need an open roster spot to bring extra players back in a trade, even if you are waiving 1. So which 2 players do you cut?

Both Allen and DiVincenzo are undersized SGs, both are shorter with short wing spans than Barton. So where do they play? Who's minutes are they taking?

Who is your backup SF?

What problem does this deal solve for the Nuggets?

[The Rebel]

One thing about a Barton trade is I think you are looking for a team that was close to the playoffs last year or better, that need a veteran SG/SF that can be a good iso scorer and can play off the ball while providing good defense. Teams like the Wizards, Grizzlies, Magic, or better teams are the ones that will pay a premium for BArton.

[skywalker33]

My immediate idea is that we could get a lightly protected pick and maybe a 2nd or something for swapping Barton for Anderson, also Anderson's deal expires after 21-22 so he would be expired when we need to pay MPJ.

You know I appreciate 98% of your trades, they all make sense for the Nuggets (maybe not so all for the other teams, but who cares ). Here's one I came up with (not my forte' really) but how about Julius Randle + 2021 swap of 1sts for Barton and Green. Randle's $20M salary only guaranteed for $4M so we can use it to pay MPJ in 22-23 season, get a PF in the 2021 draft like Roko Prkacin, Greg Brown or Amar Sylla, perhaps even Usman Garuba could be had. We'll need a replacement for Millsap next season, I'd suggest giving Zeke some PT there and then draft one of those good PF's. Randle is a decent (albeit selfish) scorer off the bench, can rebound, although not sure about his D (not a Knicks fan, don't watch, don't care). But they get an NYK-type ego in Barton, another scorer to help RJ and Toppin, give Toppin mins while Greene can provide mins to support Toppin while he gets acclimated.

I have to say I do not like Randle, I don't know why I just never have liked him. I think I would prefer a bigger defense SF or combo forward over another true PF/C type.

I also don't think the Knicks will trade their pick next year unless they get a star. They are still convinced that they are going to get the next big star that wants a trade.

Not a fan of Randle either, but I could stand him for a 1-yr rental. I have to agree they not likely to make this trade, but in the long run it may work out for both teams. Toppin needs PT mins to develop and Randle stands in that way. Barton can help replace some of the production, would start and pair with Barrett with Greene backing up Toppin. With the Nuggets losing Grant and Plumlee, many are expecting the Nuggets to be worse, so the swap may be feasible given some protection (top 10, top 7). It also would be easier for the Knicks to trade two smaller pieces than one larger salary in Randle. Also, I believe both Barton and Randle could become lockerroom issues for their current teams. Could also just be wishful thinking on my part, but NYK is run so badly, anything is possible.

[The Rebel]

You know I appreciate 98% of your trades, they all make sense for the Nuggets (maybe not so all for the other teams, but who cares ). Here's one I came up with (not my forte' really) but how about Julius Randle + 2021 swap of 1sts for Barton and Green. Randle's $20M salary only guaranteed for $4M so we can use it to pay MPJ in 22-23 season, get a PF in the 2021 draft like Roko Prkacin, Greg Brown or Amar Sylla, perhaps even Usman Garuba could be had. We'll need a replacement for Millsap next season, I'd suggest giving Zeke some PT there and then draft one of those good PF's. Randle is a decent (albeit selfish) scorer off the bench, can rebound, although not sure about his D (not a Knicks fan, don't watch, don't care). But they get an NYK-type ego in Barton, another scorer to help RJ and Toppin, give Toppin mins while Greene can provide mins to support Toppin while he gets acclimated.

I have to say I do not like Randle, I don't know why I just never have liked him. I think I would prefer a bigger defense SF or combo forward over another true PF/C type.

I also don't think the Knicks will trade their pick next year unless they get a star. They are still convinced that they are going to get the next big star that wants a trade.

Not a fan of Randle either, but I could stand him for a 1-yr rental. I have to agree they not likely to make this trade, but in the long run it may work out for both teams. Toppin needs PT mins to develop and Randle stands in that way. Barton can help replace some of the production, would start and pair with Barrett with Greene backing up Toppin. With the Nuggets losing Grant and Plumlee, many are expecting the Nuggets to be worse, so the swap may be feasible given some protection (top 10, top 7). It also would be easier for the Knicks to trade two smaller pieces than one larger salary in Randle. Also, I believe both Barton and Randle could become lockerroom issues for their current teams. Could also just be wishful thinking on my part, but NYK is run so badly, anything is possible.

Don't get me wrong, it isn't a bad idea and agree that the Knicks have a long history of making stupid decisions.

To me the biggest issue we still have is getting the guys that can at least slow down the Lebrons and Kawhis around the league. Guys that are too big for Harris and too quick for Millsap. That is the biggest need I see and something we should look for in a Barton trade.

I also realized when I saw your post that I am perhaps irrationally high on Nnaji. Watching him throughout the preseason it is obvious he has the physical talent and instincts to be able to guard the small sfs and spread 4s while hitting jumpshots. He of course is going to need some development work and experience but I would prefer to throw him in for 20-25 mpg right now and let learn on the job, of course with Millsap teach him the tricks and the staff coaching him up. That way come the playoffs we have our Grant replacement or at least a guy who can do it at a decent level.

[Manolito]

If Tucker does not reach an agreement for an extensión in the next 24h, he would be my primary target candidate as soon as Harden leaves Houston.

Dump Cancar somewhere and acquire PJ Tucker with a 2nd round and Grant's TPE. Along the season get out of the tax limit trading Barton

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Tucker will put us over the hard cap that we triggered by using the full MLE.

We would have to send out Cancar, Bol, and Hartenstein to make it work financially, or Jaymichael Green.

This is not correct. We are currently at 127.36M, make it 129M to include Jokic´s and Harris´s unlikely bonuses. Hard cap is at 138.9M and PJ Tucker earns 8M, how is it possible Tucker would put us over the hard cap?

Even without dumping any player and waiving Cancar, trading for Tucker is still possible

[DaFan334]

Justice Winslow for Will Barton would be an interesting move. Winslow can defend 2-4s, can handle the ball on the second unit, and can hit spot of 3s. He has a team option for next year and is still young and can grow with the core. Barton seems like he could help the Grizzlies as more reliable second option and immediately starts.

[TunaFish]

Justice Winslow for Will Barton would be an interesting move. Winslow can defend 2-4s, can handle the ball on the second unit, and can hit spot of 3s. He has a team option for next year and is still young and can grow with the core. Barton seems like he could help the Grizzlies as more reliable second option and immediately starts.

Winslow and Barton are similar players on similar contracts (Barton has a player option while Winslow has a club option for 2021-2). I give Barton the edge on offensive and Winslow the edge on defense. The problem is that Winslow might be even more injury prone than Barton and even now, it is not certain if he will be playing anytime soon for Memphis. Of course with Barton and injury, who knows.

If Winslow can play, this is a trade I like if he can play soon.

[Richard Miller]

Barton for Kyle Anderson is a good trade idea, Denver lacks defensive specialists since the exit of Grant, Plumlee, and Craig.

An alternate is a 3-team deal:
Bucks - Kyle Anderson
Grizzlies - Will Barton
Nuggets - Donte DiVincenzo, Grayson Allen, D.J. Wilson

DiVincenzo ceiling is a better two-way player than Barton, while Grayson Allen is an interesting young prospect. Cap filler D.J. Wilson would be waived.

Not sure I get it, I remember watching Kyle while he was in SAS and he was really nothing to get excited about, and from his stats it seems like his offense cratered in Memphis, wouldn't want him anywhere near if that is the case. Might as well kept Craig.

[Wigginstime]

Gonna make a controversial statement - If the right trades comes along, I would trade MPJ. I love his potential but am scarred he will turn into the KMart situation all over again. Denver will give him a max contract next off season and spend the next 4 years watching him struggling with injuries. I want to be very clear - MPJ has all star potential. His scoring is elite and his defense will come in time. I just a very bad feeling about this long term health.

[skywalker33]

Gonna make a controversial statement - If the right trades comes along, I would trade MPJ. I love his potential but am scarred he will turn into the KMart situation all over again. Denver will give him a max contract next off season and spend the next 4 years watching him struggling with injuries. I want to be very clear - MPJ has all star potential. His scoring is elite and his defense will come in time. I just a very bad feeling about this long term health.

Not an uncommon OPINION ( just not very optimistic), you hear it all the time on the General Board. It does get old and I'm not sure why you want to come over here to share it, seems a bit trollish to say the least. However, I would say you have nothing to base your opinion upon, he's already 18mo into his career and so far it seems optimistic to true Nuggets fans. Now to say he may get injured, you can say that about every player in the league. At this point, it may be more pertinent to go over to the GSW forum and see the reaction you get when saying it about Thompson.

[Richard Miller]

Gonna make a controversial statement - If the right trades comes along, I would trade MPJ.

What is the right trade for him though? The only real star available is Harden and doubtful MPJ + whatever would be enough (and who knows whether Harden would fit at all). Trading him for some role player would potentially be a disaster.

[THE J0KER]

Barton for Kyle Anderson is a good trade idea, Denver lacks defensive specialists since the exit of Grant, Plumlee, and Craig.

An alternate is a 3-team deal:
Bucks - Kyle Anderson
Grizzlies - Will Barton
Nuggets - Donte DiVincenzo, Grayson Allen, D.J. Wilson

DiVincenzo ceiling is a better two-way player than Barton, while Grayson Allen is an interesting young prospect. Cap filler D.J. Wilson would be waived.

I wouldn't do it, but am interested in why you would?

Who do you cut to make the deal happen, under rules you need an open roster spot to bring extra players back in a trade, even if you are waiving 1. So which 2 players do you cut?

Both Allen and DiVincenzo are undersized SGs, both are shorter with short wing spans than Barton. So where do they play? Who's minutes are they taking?

Who is your backup SF?

What problem does this deal solve for the Nuggets?

This season it will be more just insurance for Gary Harris our player with the biggest injury issues past two seasons who played unrecovered from injury in the 2019 playoff and should miss the 2020 playoff if it was not played in August. G.Allen is a long term project, but DiVincenzo in his sophomore season already rises close to the two-way starter, which means Denver will be in a perfect position during the 2021 offseason when Bol Bol and Monte Morris be available for trades to create a "big package" of assets (Harris+Morris+Bol+2021) to take notable guard or forward as "The 4th star". If DiVincenzo improves into starter level we can use that package to get notable forward to join MPJ, if not, that "4th star" should be a guard with Campazzo, Hampton, Dozier, Allen, and DiVincenzo being backcourt backups. Talking about SF backup this season after such trade, Green can be used in that role. Last season, only when Kawhi and George are both on the bench Clippers need other SF, and they used Harkless for that, so Green and Morris played only PF. Even Bol can be used a few minutes as SF, and we see in preseason Malone wants to use 3-guard lineups more often than last season, with Dozier or Harris in temporary SF role.

I will explain once again why I advocate for the "big package for one notable TOP50 player" scenario. This offseason I was all in for the Jrue Holiday deal, and next season some other available guard or forward of that level will be my new target (Murray is combo guard, MPJ is a combo forward, so we can add that new starter from any position except center). Denver literally has too many NBA level talents. For regular season purposes that is a huge advantage. Starters can play fewer minutes, or as we saw last season when Jokic and Muray were healthy and the other three starters were out, we still beating opponents left and right without a problem, and also thanks to that depth Nuggets have a spectacular winning record in back-to-back matches. But once the playoff starts for what we need 15 good players? If Jokic and Murray play near 40 minutes, MPJ about 35, Harris about 30, and Millsap+Green together cover completely 48 PF minutes, these 6 players covering all but around 50 minutes. Do we really need 9 guys for that? For many of the current young players we risking the Beasley/Juancho scenario, to lose talented prospects almost for nothing without ever using them seriously. In 2022 Denver will sign (probably) a max contract with MPJ while Jokic (probably) going super-max with Murray on max until at least 2025. So, 2021 summer will be the last opportunity to do something creative, and with "4th star" we can create a dynasty using for the rest of the team players under rookie contracts and cheap veterans.

[Richard Miller]

Imo if MPJ is worth a max in 2022, then Denver doesn't need a "4th star", and likely couldn't give meaningful minutes anyway.

[eathb_au]

Windhorst today say the Harden sweepstakes is now between Nets, Nugs, and 76ers.

[Alatan]

Barton for Kyle Anderson is a good trade idea, Denver lacks defensive specialists since the exit of Grant, Plumlee, and Craig.

An alternate is a 3-team deal:
Bucks - Kyle Anderson
Grizzlies - Will Barton
Nuggets - Donte DiVincenzo, Grayson Allen, D.J. Wilson

DiVincenzo ceiling is a better two-way player than Barton, while Grayson Allen is an interesting young prospect. Cap filler D.J. Wilson would be waived.

I wouldn't do it, but am interested in why you would?

Who do you cut to make the deal happen, under rules you need an open roster spot to bring extra players back in a trade, even if you are waiving 1. So which 2 players do you cut?

Both Allen and DiVincenzo are undersized SGs, both are shorter with short wing spans than Barton. So where do they play? Who's minutes are they taking?

Who is your backup SF?

What problem does this deal solve for the Nuggets?

This season it will be more just insurance for Gary Harris our player with the biggest injury issues past two seasons who played unrecovered from injury in the 2019 playoff and should miss the 2020 playoff if it was not played in August. G.Allen is a long term project, but DiVincenzo in his sophomore season already rises close to the two-way starter, which means Denver will be in a perfect position during the 2021 offseason when Bol Bol and Monte Morris be available for trades to create a "big package" of assets (Harris+Morris+Bol+2021) to take notable guard or forward as "The 4th star". If DiVincenzo improves into starter level we can use that package to get notable forward to join MPJ, if not, that "4th star" should be a guard with Campazzo, Hampton, Dozier, Allen, and DiVincenzo being backcourt backups. Talking about SF backup this season after such trade, Green can be used in that role. Last season, only when Kawhi and George are both on the bench Clippers need other SF, and they used Harkless for that, so Green and Morris played only PF. Even Bol can be used a few minutes as SF, and we see in preseason Malone wants to use 3-guard lineups more often than last season, with Dozier or Harris in temporary SF role.

I will explain once again why I advocate for the "big package for one notable TOP50 player" scenario. This offseason I was all in for the Jrue Holiday deal, and next season some other available guard or forward of that level will be my new target (Murray is combo guard, MPJ is a combo forward, so we can add that new starter from any position except center). Denver literally has too many NBA level talents. For regular season purposes that is a huge advantage. Starters can play fewer minutes, or as we saw last season when Jokic and Muray were healthy and the other three starters were out, we still beating opponents left and right without a problem, and also thanks to that depth Nuggets have a spectacular winning record in back-to-back matches. But once the playoff starts for what we need 15 good players? If Jokic and Murray play near 40 minutes, MPJ about 35, Harris about 30, and Millsap+Green together cover completely 48 PF minutes, these 6 players covering all but around 50 minutes. Do we really need 9 guys for that? For many of the current young players we risking the Beasley/Juancho scenario, to lose talented prospects almost for nothing without ever using them seriously. In 2022 Denver will sign (probably) a max contract with MPJ while Jokic (probably) going super-max with Murray on max until at least 2025. So, 2021 summer will be the last opportunity to do something creative, and with "4th star" we can create a dynasty using for the rest of the team players under rookie contracts and cheap veterans.

I am all for consolidation trades but anyone that sugests we trade Bol is instantly on my anger list.
Besides there are few two way players that are young and good enough id consider trading the farm for.
Over the hill Holiday with his injury history isnt one of them. Two seasons ago sure but now id only trade spare parts for him.
That being said i dont agree with your idea at all. Trading Barton to avoid a Beasley situation by bringing in even more young players we dont have minutes to play... You dont bring in new players before you make the consolidation trade because then your assrts depriciate in value.
I also dont think we need a insurance for any of our vets since we have several talented players fighting for minutes at every position...
If i saw a trade similar to what you proposed id cry.

[Manolito]

I would pull the trigger for Harden. MPJ + Harris + Barton + 2021 FRP + 2025 FRP

Despite his currently poor attitude, how many times have the Nuggets ever had the chance to land a top10 player with still two years in his contract? Without getting rid of two all star players, that is a huge big three. This is the last piece to be an absolut contender for the next two years. We have seen already that formula in the Lakers, best duo in the league plus a bunch of role players

Losing MPJ would hurt a lot, I love his potential. But he has an injury story behind him and there is no guarantee he would become an All Star. Barton´s value is almost zero. He has a PO and all this starter s***. Harris is a top defender but I am tired already of waiting for his old shooting.

Murray Morris Campazzo
Harden Hampton
Dozier
Millsap Green Bol Bol Nnaji
Jokic Hartenstein

That is scary team, even deep except obviously in SF. If you make such a trade, you go all in and I hope they also trade for Tucker with Grant´s TPE. There are a couple of vets who could help (Kidd Gilchrist, Hollis Jefferson,...they only need to guard for 10 minutes)