Soul Glo, the Afro Samurai - The Jarrett Allen Thread

[TheNetsFan]

It is clear that DeAndre Jordan isn't going to be reliable for much longer, but at what cost do you retain Allen? The luxury tax bill next year is going to be off the charts if he gets market value. We're going to lose Spencer for this same reason. It sucks because you wish we could just keep everyone

Tsai would need to suck it up for another year. When Jordan is in his final year, you dump or stretch him. I have no doubt that given a bit of time, KD and Kyrie will know that Allen is the better player and fit. They're supremely competitive, especially KD, and he'll want the best lineups on the court with him.

[MrDollarBills]

It is clear that DeAndre Jordan isn't going to be reliable for much longer, but at what cost do you retain Allen? The luxury tax bill next year is going to be off the charts if he gets market value. We're going to lose Spencer for this same reason. It sucks because you wish we could just keep everyone

Stair would need to suck it up for another year. When Jordan is in his final year, you dump or stretch him. I have no doubt that given a bit of time, KD and Kyrie will know that Allen is the better player and fit. They're supremely competitive, especially KD, and he'll want the best lineups on the court with him.

It's clear who the better player is. Right now, politics > logic regarding Jordan and Allen.

There's no way anyone can watch film on DeAndre Jordan over the last two games and can say that he's even remotely a good player.

[gigantes]

FWIW, DeJordan started last season as a total lunkhead, then underwent some pretty big leaps in play as the season went on.

FWIW...

[Stone]

It's clear who the better player is. Right now, politics > logic regarding Jordan and Allen.

There's no way anyone can watch film on DeAndre Jordan over the last two games and can say that he's even remotely a good player.

Agreed, but it could be possible that Big Jay coming off the bench with the second unit is a strategic move to give us more balanced strength.....?

[MrDollarBills]

It's clear who the better player is. Right now, politics > logic regarding Jordan and Allen.

There's no way anyone can watch film on DeAndre Jordan over the last two games and can say that he's even remotely a good player.

Agreed, but it could be possible that Big Jay coming off the bench with the second unit is a strategic move to give us more balanced strength.....?

Having his defense in to help hold the lead is a good reason, yes.

[Stone]

Thats why I have no qualms of Big Jay coming off the bench. It does not matter who starts, all that matters is if we are in the win column at the end of the game.

Where do we rank Big Jay defensively for our team?.....I haven't giving it much thought but off the top of my head I think I would put KD as 1 and Jay as 2.

[therealbig3]

Allen has a lot more potential than Jordan...at this point in their careers, he's the more mobile, more athletic big and has a much better motor...again though, his problem is consistency. It came up as an issue last year and Jordan straight up outplayed him.

I have my issues with Jordan as well, given how lazy he appears at times...but I think he overall gets a bad rap for last year, as a guy who was mostly a backup big and then eventually started, you can do A LOT worse than a hyper-efficient 8/10 in 22 mpg.

Another thing about Jordan is that he's a foul-drawing machine. His activity on the offensive glass gets us like 2 off-ball fouls every quarter, it's big in terms of getting us in the bonus early. Allen doesn't do that as well as Jordan.

[Prokorov]

Allen has a lot more potential than Jordan...at this point in their careers, he's the more mobile, more athletic big and has a much better motor...again though, his problem is consistency. It came up as an issue last year and Jordan straight up outplayed him.

I have my issues with Jordan as well, given how lazy he appears at times...but I think he overall gets a bad rap for last year, as a guy who was mostly a backup big and then eventually started, you can do A LOT worse than a hyper-efficient 8/10 in 22 mpg.

Another thing about Jordan is that he's a foul-drawing machine. His activity on the offensive glass gets us like 2 off-ball fouls every quarter, it's big in terms of getting us in the bonus early. Allen doesn't do that as well as Jordan.

I agree with this. Allen is clearly the long term option. and I'd love for him to force his way into the starting lineup by flat outplaying jordan. Last year that wasnt the case. And with KD you go with the win now option every time. Like i said, hopefully thats allen, but to this point i see no discernable difference and jordan has a bulk/rebounding edge which is helpful in some matchups

[MrDollarBills]

Allen has a lot more potential than Jordan...at this point in their careers, he's the more mobile, more athletic big and has a much better motor...again though, his problem is consistency. It came up as an issue last year and Jordan straight up outplayed him.

I have my issues with Jordan as well, given how lazy he appears at times...but I think he overall gets a bad rap for last year, as a guy who was mostly a backup big and then eventually started, you can do A LOT worse than a hyper-efficient 8/10 in 22 mpg.

Another thing about Jordan is that he's a foul-drawing machine. His activity on the offensive glass gets us like 2 off-ball fouls every quarter, it's big in terms of getting us in the bonus early. Allen doesn't do that as well as Jordan.

I agree with this. Allen is clearly the long term option. and I'd love for him to force his way into the starting lineup by flat outplaying jordan. Last year that wasnt the case. And with KD you go with the win now option every time. Like i said, hopefully thats allen, but to this point i see no discernable difference and jordan has a bulk/rebounding edge which is helpful in some matchups

I actually think Jordan's ability to pass really gives him the edge right now along with bulk for some of the bigger centers. Allen really needs to start separating himself overall as the better player

[MrDollarBills]

Read on Twitter

Looks like Allen wants more than what Marks thinks he's worth. We'll need to see Allen show us a lot more than he did last season to warrant that kind of cap hit.

[Stone]

We don't know what went on behind closed doors numbers wise. But HTF does Marks extend Prince and not Allen?

It is going to be interesting to see how this turns out.

[Paradise]

We don't know what went on behind closed doors numbers wise. But HTF does Marks extend Prince and not Allen?

It is going to be interesting to see how this turns out.

It was rumored Jarrett’s camp wants a 70-80 million range deal.

This might be a hint of that but also, we could just straight up let the market dictate it or come together on a deal when he’s a RFA.

[Shark]

We don't know what went on behind closed doors numbers wise. But HTF does Marks extend Prince and not Allen?

It is going to be interesting to see how this turns out.

It was rumored Jarrett’s camp wants a 70-80 million range deal.

This might be a hint of that but also, we could just straight up let the market dictate it or come together on a deal when he’s a RFA.

Wouldn't be the worst idea especially if Tsai doesn't care how much we're spending.

[StepBackCrack]

No reason to extend Allen especially since he will be a RFA not a FA. Overpaying him now is a bad idea. He needs to show that he is worth the money.

[TheNetsFan]

No reason to extend Allen especially since he will be a RFA not a FA. Overpaying him now is a bad idea. He needs to show that he is worth the money.

The reason is if you want to keep him, you can control the structure of the deal. Letting him seek out an offer so you can match allows for teams to front load or add trade kickers that could make matching cost/tax prohibitive.

[MrDollarBills]

OG, White, and Issac got paid between the 73-80 mil range. I don't blame Allen one bit.

[TheNetsFan]

OG, White, and Issac got paid between the 73-80 mil range. I don't blame Allen one bit.

Agreed. I had thought $66-70mil over 4 or a similar average salary over fewer years based on Allen's preference would have been the market rate. I think I underestimated.

There will be a lot of teams with cap space next year, and not much left to spend it on.

[ecuhus1981]

No reason to extend Allen especially since he will be a RFA not a FA. Overpaying him now is a bad idea. He needs to show that he is worth the money.

The reason is if you want to keep him, you can control the structure of the deal. Letting him seek out an offer so you can match allows for teams to front load or add trade kickers that could make matching cost/tax prohibitive.

Of course, you have to wonder whether a team had enough resolve to offer such a contract. If Jarrett balls out and we win a championship, then maybe he'll see an offer we won't want to match ($20mil+/yr, trade kickers, front loaded salary, ETO etc). The way that centers are used today, and the depth we have at the position, we can afford to play chicken with a rival team looking to scoop him.

Also, you have to wonder whether this is Marks attention to motivate the young man. He's only 22, but in many ways he's the same player he was at 19. He'll always be a specialist, but impending free agency may force Jarrett to expand and showcase his repertoire. That's good for us now, even if we don't keep him longterm.

[Prokorov]

Its a backwards situation really...

'if you want to 'trade allen then extending him makes sense.'.. 'gives teams dealing for him a young player with 'a long deal. removes the stigma of allen being a' rental.

if you want to keep him long term, you wait. 'make him earn the deal that isaac got. if he d'oes, great, it may get you a ring. if it doe'snt, you get him on the cheap'. with the rights to match any deal, you w'ait.

Center simp'ly isnt a desireable enough position for him to see a gobert like deal. or even 'a 4/'90 deal... not unless the center is an al'l world star 'like embiid or one who can shoot thr'ees.

[StepBackCrack]

Allen will only get traded for Harden and that's not likely to happen honestly. Nets will likely match whatever offer Allen receives next off-season and that deal will most likely be very close to the deal that he wants at the moment anyway. Bottom line is, waiting him to deliver is not a bad idea either way. This should give him more motivation to perform his best in theory. He has to, otherwise, he won't get paid exactly what he wants.