Hawks, Collins unable to agree on extension

[Jamaaliver]

Hawks, John Collins don’t agree on contract extension. Now what?



The Hawks and Collins didn’t agree to a new rookie scale contract extension, and he will enter his fourth season with the franchise in a prove-it year. This doesn’t necessarily mean Collins’ time with the Hawks has an expiration date approaching; it’s just the two sides cannot negotiate a new deal until the offseason when he likely will enter restricted free agency after the team extends a qualifying offer to retain his rights and the franchise can choose to match whichever offer sheet it might match.

If Collins continues putting up the numbers he did in a shortened 41-game stretch last season, he certainly could find himself in max contract territory because of the now lack of star talent available next offseason. This is the risk the Hawks now assume, especially if Collins ends up receiving a contract offer that is not appealing for them to match, which could very well happen. The once-glamorous 2021 free-agency class lost a lot of its shine the past few days...

There’s also the potential of Collins and the Hawks not lasting together until next offseason because if general manager Travis Schlenk does not believe Collins is worth the contract he might get, there’s always the potential of trading Collins before the deadline. Consolidation trades for young rosters are always a possibility, especially when the roster is currently constructed like the Hawks’ roster is. They have several young players on the roster who have the potential to become great players, including Collins, but that potential could turn into already established star talent if the right move is done.

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Random prediction: John Collins gets moved. The contract extension for Collins may not work out. If it doesn’t, then how committed are the Hawks to seeing what he fetches in restricted free agency while teams have big cap space? Wouldn’t it be more prudent to move Collins in a trade before the deadline in that scenario?

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If the Hawks were willing to commit a max extension to Collins, the forward would have received one at the start of free agency, similar to Adebayo, Fox, Mitchell and Tatum.

I had Collins pegged in the four-year $110 million range, comparable to the Celtics' Jaylen Brown. The $24.5 million contract would have been $3.5 million less than the max but would have guaranteed Collins more than $100 million in the next four years.

Because the Hawks committed money that stretches into 2020-21, Collins' $12.4 million free-agent hold is less valuable, so Atlanta could have taken a more aggressive approach on a long-term contract this offseason. The Hawks were not projected to have cap space with or without a Collins extension.

The non-extension for Collins does not signal that the forward is not part of the future even with the Gallinari signing. However, as we saw with the max contract on Brandon Ingram in New Orleans, the cost of a new contract will likely increase if Collins has an All-Star type season.

[dms269]

It is worrisome. Of you trade him you are going to get pennies on the dollar in return. If you keep him, you are basically agreeing to pay him the max.

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[Spud2nique]

Looking at our roster and the depth at each location it’s really hard to even try and predict what position we would try and trade Collins for this season or even a sign and trade next season. Looking at the landscape of the league, if it’s the same PF position there is the likes of Aaron Gordon and Lamarcus Aldridge. Ugh. Names like Julius Randle don’t excite me.

Man, I’ve said this before but if Collins was on another team, that’s who I’d want the Hawks to get. Man, this is a tough one to swallow on paper know matter how you look at it if we replace him, the new guy won’t be as sexy as far as an acquisition for us.

[tbhawksfan1]

I absolutely wish they could have worked it out. JC wants to get paid and Schlenk was right to not approach a max.

A little prediction; last season was the closest JC will ever come to being an all star

[tbhawksfan1]

It does look like a trade situation. Schlenk won't want to pay him what FA will offer and won't want to lose him for nothing. Travis needs to land a big fish before the deadline

[Spud2nique]

Hawks out: John Collins + Bruno Fernando
Hawks in: Marvin Bagley

Sac out: Marvin Bagley
Sac in: John Collins+Bruno Fernando


Why for Atlanta: They find a pf replacement for Collins since he did not sign long term and couldn’t get a deal from the Hawks. Bagley has a 14.7 mill qualifying offer for 2021-22 thus allowing the Hawks another year of holding the purse.

Why for the Kings: They finally move on from Bagley who has been off and on injured and might need a change of scenery himself. Kings plug in a 20/10 guy who came out less touted than Bagley but has been able to stay injury free for more of his career and has had the much better career so far.


Thoughts?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ycp4nkv5

[saloonyk8]

There's no star that seems to be available right now that would fit Atlanta.... Other than Simmons but I'm not really sure Rockets would want JC/Hunter/picks over Simmons.....

In any case they can just pay Collins 4/125 next year and keep him if he gets marginally better

[HMFFL]

Collins will receive multiple max offers this off-season. Dallas will be one of those teams. I wish we just gave him what he deserves and moved on.
I expect him to be motivated, but hurt by this, and while I'm not looking into it much, he did remove everything from his social media (Instagram) account.

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[shakes0]

I think this is going to **** the team all year. JC going to be looking to get his and can't say I blame him. If his stats go down due to all the new talent we have I expect him to be quite upset about that.

[tbhawksfan1]

I think this is going to **** the team all year. JC going to be looking to get his and can't say I blame him. If his stats go down due to all the new talent we have I expect him to be quite upset about that.

I will blame him. I never understand why people want these athletes to "get their money". Isit because people want to put it to the rich owners? The money doesn't come from the owners? It comes from the consumers.

If JC mopes and affects the team negatively then he can kick rocks and get his money from another team as far as I'm concerned.

I would have prefered an extention but not at max contract numbers

[saloonyk8]

I think this is going to **** the team all year. JC going to be looking to get his and can't say I blame him. If his stats go down due to all the new talent we have I expect him to be quite upset about that.

I will blame him. I never understand why people want these athletes to "get their money". Isit because people want to put it to the rich owners? The money doesn't come from the owners? It comes from the consumers.

If JC mopes and affects the team negatively then he can kick rocks and get his money from another team as far as I'm concerned.

I would have prefered an extention but not at max contract numbers

If the max is 4/125 from another team next off-season why wouldn't they Hawks just match? I'm assuming he continues to improve at least a little

[Spud2nique]

I think this is going to **** the team all year. JC going to be looking to get his and can't say I blame him. If his stats go down due to all the new talent we have I expect him to be quite upset about that.

This is the attitude that should not net him a lucrative deal if he acts out. Even from other teams. They will watch for him to act professional all year or until we possibly trade him.

[Spud2nique]

Serious question here.

When was the last time that a team and player couldn’t agree on a number, had it play out, and the team gave the player the max he wanted the next offseason?

I’m not sure if I can’t remember because it rarely happens or what but not a single guy comes to mind right now in the last few years, 5-10 years. Hell 20.

I love JC but this may not be a long term marriage. Just a hunch.

Meanwhile Jamalo dialing up Simmons trades as we speak

[kg01]

I think this is going to **** the team all year. JC going to be looking to get his and can't say I blame him. If his stats go down due to all the new talent we have I expect him to be quite upset about that.

I will blame him. I never understand why people want these athletes to "get their money". Isit because people want to put it to the rich owners? The money doesn't come from the owners? It comes from the consumers.

If JC mopes and affects the team negatively then he can kick rocks and get his money from another team as far as I'm concerned.

I would have prefered an extention but not at max contract numbers

I don't think it's that people necessarily care that he "get his", it's more like folks want to see the least amount of disruption possible. Failing to agree on an extension casts a pall on things that can be pretty unfortunate when it comes to the team overall.

He may not mope, but he's now in a position to have his individual production this year be overly scrutinized. Will that lead him to play more me-first? Or could it cause him to have a split-second of indecision on the court? Dude's human and young at that. This will be difficult for him and not because he's a bad or selfish person.

There will be teams that value him at more than what the Hawks would like to pay. But they should've known that. Collins' camp probably saw what Fox got and figured the non-all star thing wasn't an impediment to him getting more than others. Fair or unfair, he's going to be a sought-after free agent this cycle.

I think, at the end of the day, the Hawks'll be fine. But it stinks to have a guy you like and a guy you developed potentially leave this way.

[Geaux_Hawks]

Hawks out: John Collins + Bruno Fernando
Hawks in: Marvin Bagley

Sac out: Marvin Bagley
Sac in: John Collins+Bruno Fernando


Why for Atlanta: They find a pf replacement for Collins since he did not sign long term and couldn’t get a deal from the Hawks. Bagley has a 14.7 mill qualifying offer for 2021-22 thus allowing the Hawks another year of holding the purse.

Why for the Kings: They finally move on from Bagley who has been off and on injured and might need a change of scenery himself. Kings plug in a 20/10 guy who came out less touted than Bagley but has been able to stay injury free for more of his career and has had the much better career so far.


Thoughts?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ycp4nkv5

I actually like this move. Bagley actually does everything we want Collins to do on the offensive end. He can create for himself. He can create for others. I think he has more potential spacing the floor. Then defensively, he's quicker, longer, and bouncy as well. I mean if you're looking for the prototypical star 4 in today's game, I think he is it. Not what Collins has shown us. Bagley is who I would be trying to have next to Capela.

[Ball4life32]

Hawks out: John Collins + Bruno Fernando
Hawks in: Marvin Bagley

Sac out: Marvin Bagley
Sac in: John Collins+Bruno Fernando


Why for Atlanta: They find a pf replacement for Collins since he did not sign long term and couldn’t get a deal from the Hawks. Bagley has a 14.7 mill qualifying offer for 2021-22 thus allowing the Hawks another year of holding the purse.

Why for the Kings: They finally move on from Bagley who has been off and on injured and might need a change of scenery himself. Kings plug in a 20/10 guy who came out less touted than Bagley but has been able to stay injury free for more of his career and has had the much better career so far.


Thoughts?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ycp4nkv5

I actually like this move. Bagley actually does everything we want Collins to do on the offensive end. He can create for himself. He can create for others. I think he has more potential spacing the floor. Then defensively, he's quicker, longer, and bouncy as well. I mean if you're looking for the prototypical star 4 in today's game, I think he is it. Not what Collins has shown us. Bagley is who I would be trying to have next to Capela.

I have not seen this from Bagley...he definitely can not create for others at all (he has even less assist % than Collins) & I don’t think he can create offense from the perimeter. Career 29% from 3 while Collins is at 37%....& JC has been a better FT shooter. Not to mention his defense has been bad. A sub 30% shooter on low volume is a bad fit next to Capela especially for the Hawks who shoot a lot of 3’s.

[shakes0]

Hawks out: John Collins + Bruno Fernando
Hawks in: Marvin Bagley

Sac out: Marvin Bagley
Sac in: John Collins+Bruno Fernando


Why for Atlanta: They find a pf replacement for Collins since he did not sign long term and couldn’t get a deal from the Hawks. Bagley has a 14.7 mill qualifying offer for 2021-22 thus allowing the Hawks another year of holding the purse.

Why for the Kings: They finally move on from Bagley who has been off and on injured and might need a change of scenery himself. Kings plug in a 20/10 guy who came out less touted than Bagley but has been able to stay injury free for more of his career and has had the much better career so far.


Thoughts?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ycp4nkv5

I actually like this move. Bagley actually does everything we want Collins to do on the offensive end. He can create for himself. He can create for others. I think he has more potential spacing the floor. Then defensively, he's quicker, longer, and bouncy as well. I mean if you're looking for the prototypical star 4 in today's game, I think he is it. Not what Collins has shown us. Bagley is who I would be trying to have next to Capela.

You sure you're not talking about John Bagley rather than Marvin?

[kg01]

Hawks out: John Collins + Bruno Fernando
Hawks in: Marvin Bagley

Sac out: Marvin Bagley
Sac in: John Collins+Bruno Fernando


Why for Atlanta: They find a pf replacement for Collins since he did not sign long term and couldn’t get a deal from the Hawks. Bagley has a 14.7 mill qualifying offer for 2021-22 thus allowing the Hawks another year of holding the purse.

Why for the Kings: They finally move on from Bagley who has been off and on injured and might need a change of scenery himself. Kings plug in a 20/10 guy who came out less touted than Bagley but has been able to stay injury free for more of his career and has had the much better career so far.


Thoughts?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ycp4nkv5

I actually like this move. Bagley actually does everything we want Collins to do on the offensive end. He can create for himself. He can create for others. I think he has more potential spacing the floor. Then defensively, he's quicker, longer, and bouncy as well. I mean if you're looking for the prototypical star 4 in today's game, I think he is it. Not what Collins has shown us. Bagley is who I would be trying to have next to Capela.

You sure you're not talking about John Bagley rather than Marvin?

Yeah. Not only does this description not match Marvin Bagley, it also leaves out the fact that he can't stay healthy.

Is it a good deal for the Hawks? Maybe but only if they now hate Collins and can't get anything better for him.